does anyone use SAMe? am I bipolar?

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mcspike
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   Posted 11/4/2016 8:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi,
I havnt actually been diagnosed by a Dr. for bipolar; but have had several doctors over the years, since 1995, prescribe various antidepressants for 'severe depressive disorder'. I have such biazarre adverse reactions to antidepressants, that I cannot take ANY of them....so now Ive been prescribed SAMe, and I had some of the same symptoms that I got with wellbutrin, paxil, and celexa.

Ive read that certain people w/bipolar shouldnt take those SSRI'S and SAMe, due to worsening the symtpoms of those who are bipolar...

So maybe Ive been misdiagnosed and am bipolar vs just depression?

I just had a 3day occurrance where my moods went from extreme anger for no real reason, then sadness with 2 days of crying and wanting to die. Today, IM SO HAPPY!!! WHAT the heck! I went shopping to look for a green sweater because I HAVE TO matchMY NEW necklace, and I ended up trying on TWELVE green things, and buying four of them-this happening just 2 days after I was throwing away stuff because I didnt care about any of it!!!

The ups & downs are SO exhausting!!!

Should I go see a Dr that specializes in bipolar?

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   Posted 11/5/2016 3:16 AM (GMT -7)   
yes. consult a recognised psychiatrist. same is expensive and I would check with ya doc. same is usually given for mild stuff. it is not proven.
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   Posted 11/5/2016 8:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi mcspike,

Welcome to the Bipolar forum :-)!

Thank you for sharing about yourself with us. I would suggest that you visit a psychiatrist and they will be able to evaluate you and make a diagnosis whether you are Bipolar or not, and then treat you with the right medications. Only a psychiatrist can make this diagnosis.

I know the SAMe is used for treating depression and is said to be effective.

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Tim Tam
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   Posted 11/5/2016 11:40 AM (GMT -7)   
mcspike:

Don't get me started on psy. seeing a depressed patient and diagnosing them as depressed.

And never even bothering to ask "Do you every have racing thoughts?" and a number of other such questions.

As a manic-depressive, I can say that is the usual route that psy. take.

They usually see the patient when he is in a depressed state, and so they diagnose the patient as depressed.

And if they miss-diagnose, they will miss-medicate, and the medicines they give will not treat, in this case, the mania.

I was miss-diagnosed for 20 years, and got an anti-depressant, but nothing to treat the mania.

When I was finally diagnosed right, they gave me something for the mania, also. In this case, it was Lithium.

The first time I took that, I felt like the air had been let out of an overtight balloon. I hadn't realized I had felt so tense for so long. I really wished I had been given the medicine sooner.

And so we hit the year 2016. Modern medicine. Right. They're still doing the same thing.

You say,

"I havnt actually been diagnosed by a Dr. for bipolar; but have had several doctors over the years, since 1995, prescribe various antidepressants for 'severe depressive disorder'"

Several doctors? You said several doctors? Since 1995? And it's now 2016? For 11 years they haven't gotten it right? You're making my case for me.

You also say,

"So maybe Ive been misdiagnosed and am bipolar vs just depression?"

Yeah, maybe you've been miss-diagnosed. Welcome to the club.

You say:

"I just had a 3day occurrance where my moods went from extreme anger for no real reason, then sadness with 2 days of crying and wanting to die. Today, IM SO HAPPY!!! WHAT the heck! I went shopping to look for a green sweater because I HAVE TO matchMY NEW necklace, and I ended up trying on TWELVE green things, and buying four of them-this happening just 2 days after I was throwing away stuff because I didnt care about any of it!!!"

Well, you know, maybe print out your above comments on the mania and hand it to your psy. Or, take the psy. a copy of the symptoms of mania, and hand it to them and ask, "Well, do you think?" and see what their reaction is.

Your description of your buying spree pretty well says it all.

The fact that you've been able to look for and find a help line, sit down and write a coherent sentence is almost beyond belief. Being both the patient and the caretaker is very difficult.

You're in the 90th percentile.

You say,

" I have such biazarre adverse reactions to antidepressants, that I cannot take ANY of them....so now Ive been prescribed SAMe, and I had some of the same symptoms that I got with wellbutrin, paxil, and celexa."

Well, I was in a position one time of feeling I couldn't take any medicines, so I know a little bit of what that's like. Terror.

For depression, I take Mirtazapine anti-depressant. For mania, I take Lithium. Since you have a delicate system, and have had a neg. reaction to several meds, you might want to get a female psychiatrist.

I have one and I do feel more comfortable. Your choice. You might check around at Women's Health Centers, maybe out of a hospital or private group, and ask the director if she knows of a good female psychiatrist, or knows somebody who might.

You might look in the computer yellow pages for your hometown such a group under "Women's Health" and see what it says. I have never seen a psy. who specializes in bi-polar, they all mess it up equally well. It's a joke! No it's not.

Also, I had trouble with psy. meds for 6 months, we'll say, where because of various things, I was con. about taking them. I years later realized what could have done to get myself to take medicine I new I needed.

I could have, cut the first pill in half, or even 1/4th, to show myself that it wasn't going to kill me. If an hour or two later, I was doing OK, I could say, take another, say 1/4th. And just keep doing that until, if I was OK, I had taken the whole pill.

From the Mayo Clinic website, here are the symptoms for mania, one copy of which would be for your psychiatrist:

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A manic episode is a distinct period of abnormally and persistently elevated, expansive or irritable mood that lasts at least one week (or less than a week if hospitalization is necessary). The episode includes persistently increased goal-directed activity or energy.
•A hypomanic episode is a distinct period of abnormally and persistently elevated, expansive or irritable mood that lasts at least four consecutive days.

For both a manic and a hypomanic episode, during the period of disturbed mood and increased energy, three or more of the following symptoms (four if the mood is only irritable) must be present and represent a noticeable change from your usual behavior:
•Inflated self-esteem or grandiosity
•Decreased need for sleep (for example, you feel rested after only three hours of sleep)
•Unusual talkativeness
•Racing thoughts
•Distractibility
•Increased goal-directed activity (either socially, at work or school, or sexually) or agitation
•Doing things that are unusual and that have a high potential for painful consequences — for example, unrestrained buying sprees, sexual indiscretions or foolish business investments

To be considered a manic episode:
•The mood disturbance must be severe enough to cause noticeable difficulty at work, at school or in social activities or relationships; or to require hospitalization to prevent harm to yourself or others; or to trigger a break from reality (psychosis).
•Symptoms are not due to the direct effects of something else, such as alcohol or drug use; a medication; or a medical condition.

mrlukas77
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   Posted 9/19/2017 12:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Don't take it!!!
I was diagnosed with bipolar 11 years ago, after taking SAMe 2x200mg for 10 days I had far the most severe manic episode since I was diagnosed, I had to be heavily sedated for 3 days with 1200mg(3x400mg) of Seroquel(Quetiapine) to calm down, now I got it reduced!
In every other country except USA SAMe is strictly prescription only, you shouldn't take any medication without doctor anyway, but SAMe seems to be a powerful antidepressant and is not suited for bipolar folks at all.

Tim Tam
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   Posted 9/19/2017 4:19 PM (GMT -7)   
You said:

1. you haven't been diagnosed as bipolar

2. but have had several doctors over the years, since 1995, prescribe various antidepressants for 'severe depressive disorder'.

3. You have "such biazarre adverse reactions to antidepressants, that I cannot take ANY of them...."

4. "so now Ive been prescribed SAMe, and I had some of the same symptoms that I got with wellbutrin, paxil, and celexa."

5. "I just had a 3day occurrance where my moods went from extreme anger for no real reason, then sadness with 2 days of crying and wanting to die. Today, IM SO HAPPY!!! WHAT the heck! I went shopping to look for a green sweater because I HAVE TO matchMY NEW necklace, and I ended up trying on TWELVE green things, and buying four of them-this happening just 2 days after I was throwing away stuff because I didnt care about any of it!!!


(That "5" above to me is a description of mania, and depression, or manic-depression.)

6. "So maybe Ive been misdiagnosed and am bipolar vs just depression?"

7. "Ive read that certain people w/bipolar shouldnt take those SSRI'S and SAMe, due to worsening the symtpoms of those who are bipolar..."

(Were you taking SAMe (a supplement) and SSRI's (anti-depressants) at the same time, or are you saying, a bipolar shouldn't take either of them?)

verywell.com said about SAMe, a supplement:

Possible Side Effects

SAMe may trigger a number of side effects, including anxiety, constipation, diarrhea, dry mouth, headache, heartburn, insomnia, gas, low blood sugar, nausea, nervousness, skin rash, and vomiting.

*Large amounts of SAMe may cause mania (an abnormally elevated mood).

If you have bipolar disorder, Lesch-Nyhan syndrome, Parkinson's disease, or other health conditions, you should only use SAMe under the supervision of your healthcare provider as it may worsen symptoms.

It's important to note that there may be risks when combining SAMe with medication or other supplements.

*You shouldn't take SAMe in combination with antidepressants, cough medicine, diabetes medication, etc.

You can get tips on using supplements safely here, but you should speak with your primary care provider before taking SAMe to discuss whether it's appropriate for you. Keep in mind that SAMe shouldn't be used as a substitute for standard treatment.

A Word From Verywell

Living with any chronic condition isn't easy. While some studies suggest that SAMe may offer some benefits, we can't be as solid about the connection until there are well designed, large-scale clinical trials (the type of research you would want to see to put full stock in a treatment).

It's also important to keep in mind that SAMe shouldn't be used in conjunction in place of treatment recommended by your doctor. If you're considering trying a SAMe supplement, be sure to talk with your doctor to weigh the pros and cons and discuss whether it's appropriate for you.

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You say, "so now Ive been prescribed SAMe".

Again you say, "Ive read that certain people w/bipolar shouldnt take those SSRI'S and SAMe, due to worsening the symtpoms of those who are bipolar...
"

It sounds like you're saying the 2 were taken together. Is that right?
The web site avove cautioned against that, which said:

A. "Large amounts of SAMe may cause mania (an abnormally elevated mood)."

B. "It's important to note that there may be risks when combining SAMe with medication or other supplements."

C. "You shouldn't take SAMe in combination with antidepressants, cough medicine (etc.)"

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In your latest post you said "I was diagnosed with bipolar 11 years ago"

and "after taking SAMe 2x200mg for 10 days I had far the most severe manic episode since I was diagnosed, I had to be heavily sedated for 3 days with 1200mg(3x400mg) of Seroquel(Quetiapine) to calm down, now I got it reduced!"

And about the SAMe supplement, you say, "Don't take it!!!"

Are you on Seroquel anti-depressant now? Are you getting anything for your mania?

As a bipolar, I take Lithium for my mania, so that an antidepressant (I take Mirtazapine) doesn't throw me into mania, because the Lithium is supposed to stop that.

Are you taking anything for your mania? I haven't heard you say that.

Thanks for letting us know what's going on.
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