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   Posted 3/6/2007 4:08 PM (GMT -7)   

My name is Matthew S. Stanford, Ph.D. and I am a professor of Psychology at Baylor University.  I am presently gathering information on the interactions between Christians struggling with mental illness and their church.  If you have sought help or counsel from your church in regards to a mental illness please go to ( and complete a brief, anonymous survey.  Your feedback and involvement are greatly appreciated.



note to moderator: I have had this approved by Peter Waite, the adminstrator. thank you.

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Date Joined Mar 2007
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   Posted 3/21/2007 9:37 AM (GMT -7)   

Would I ever love to discuss this topic!  I couldn't get the email link to work, but I want to comment.

My husband basically "came-apart" over the course of several months.  We were active members of a fairly small Baptist church.  The pastor there used something called "theophostic" ministry.  At first, I didn't mind my husband receiving this counseling.  I tried it myself twice and decided that it was just too weird.  That's another topic..........

Anyway, Joe continued having this done to him against my protests.  He was gettting worse and worse mentally and not telling me about this counseling.  I told this pastor that I thought my husband was losing his mind, but he didn't listen to me.  Anyway, on the day of Joe's first psych unit stay, he was in a session with the preacher.  He had to be taken to the unit by the preacher after completely breaking down.  He was misdiagnosed as simply depressed, although he had been in horrible rages and physically violent towards me.

I am disgusted with that preacher and will not attend church there again, even though Joe still wants to go back someday.  I feel that the problem could have been treated months earlier.  I could have been killed because of this man's weird counseling.  He though Joe had demons.... I deeply resent his intrusion into my husband's mind.  He became worse and worse through his "help."  Another pastor's wife said that physical abuse was not a reason to leave a husband.....I will not go to that church either.  I think that preachers need to stay out of the counseling business unless they have credentials in that field.  Also, at even a hint of mental illness, they need to back off.  My husband could have easily killed himself, me, or someone else.

This theophostic stuff needs to be investigated.  It is just too weird.  It pushed a good man way over the edge.  He is still trying to get the right combination of medicines so that he can function normally.  I am keeping my life together as best I can.  My husband still thinks that the pastor helped him.  I can't imagine how.  



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Date Joined Jul 2006
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   Posted 3/21/2007 2:21 PM (GMT -7)   
what a great posting.  and a severe warning.  in most of the sects of the maajor religions, pasters receive a course on counseling.  i believe in most seminaries, it is the equivilent of a 3-hour university course.  thuis course is intended to help th epaster deal with the majority of sprained relationships, and teen angst that most of their parishners usually experience.
you are spot on when you say that these ministers are not qualified to provide counseling for any other than the most surface issues.  In most states, to be a psychiatrist (and rx medication), you must have completed medical school, internship, and residency, and have completed prescribed study and clinical criteria.  In addition, i believe, in some states, the dr. must alsp passa state exam.
to be a therapist, one must have an advanced degree in psychology (ma/ms/phd, msw), including, in most states (i believe) clinical internship.  In addition, in almost all states a therapist must pass a state proficience examination.
For a pastor/misinster/preacher/whatever to have the egocentricity to pretend that they are a therapist is totally criminal. howeveer, most states make an exception for these people to provide "pastoral counseling" (read counseling)./
my personal view?  i'm not a christian, i'm jewish.  i really have no right to speak about anyone other's belief system. so i will address my comments here to fundamentaist jews who carry on such behavior.  i believe in what teh buddah called "the golden mean."  in extreems lies danger and carries you away from nirvasna (for nirvana read god).  to me there is no fundamental difference between a fundamentalist misguided muslem who becomes a suicide bomber and a fundamentalist jew who throws rocks  at those who disagree with their view of religion.  on the sabbeth one can experience these fundamentalists throwing rocks to "protect the sabbeth day and keep it holy" by not exerting any energy (their belief) so that they can throw rocks.
when put this simply, it is  crazy.  but religion doesn't have to be sane to some people to believe in it.  if you found a sect of any religion that comes close to these jews, i would run as far and ans fast as my body would let me.
hope i didn't step on anybody's toes too hard. :-)
That light at the end of he tunnel?  It's an on-coming train.

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