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   Posted 4/3/2009 1:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for caring. I read the posts tonight asking where I was so I thought I would give an update. I went to the coast last weekend for 3 days. I started off with an emergency visit to my PMS as I was out of meds and the contract said that I could not get them from my PCP. They did not give thought to who was going to supply my meds until I was to see the PMS until the end on April. They got me in and started me on Methadone. I did not make an easy transition from Percoset and Norco to methadone. My PMS told me to start with a small amout of methadone and then increase after a few days. Not a good plan.
I did not sleep while on the coast but at least I got to lay in bed late in the morning. I had to handle a few things from work over the phone but not many. It was good to get away. While I was at the PMS on my way to the coast, my blood pressure was way to high. We thought that a few days away from work and getting some rest would help. Not a good plan.
I have been trying to work all week and it has not been fun. Again, no sleep and the pain is still out of control. I went Wednesday to have a MRI and my PMS ordered an IV to allow me to relax while in the tube. They put an IV in before we started and noting happened. After it was done and I was breaking down due to pain, they informed me they were not able to give me anything because the order was not clear. So they just made me think I was getting something. I left there and went back to work. Not a good plan. I let the wondeful caring tech who gave me the MRI know that I was not a pleased customer. I finally went in today to my PCP to get my BP checked again and he was shocked. He said I was under medicated for my BP and no one caught it or cared to do anything. The VA was handling this but I only see them once a year. He explained that due to the amount of pain and the fact that I have yet to get a nights sleep for longer that anyone knows, that the BP is elevated and needs to be monitored regularly. He also asked what the PMS had me on and he again was shocked. He stated that I again was under medicated. He is going to contact my PMS.
I have another appointment with my PMS on Wednesday next week. I am not a happy camper but I have to be careful. Beside the fact that getting upset makes the pain worse, this is the only PMS that will see me in this state. If it does not work with him, I have to go back to Montana to find a doctor that will see me. The doctors in Oregon have all decided not to take patients with out of state work comp claims. My PCP's office notified me today that they would no longer see me but my PCP stepped in and said that he would continue. 
I am still around but just trying to cope. My left side is weak and my leg gave out the other morning as I tried to stand up and I just layed on the floor for awhile. This is a long post but maybe as you read it you will get sleepy and be able to find some long needed sleep. Again thanks for caring. I will keep you updated. 

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   Posted 4/3/2009 1:27 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm so sorry to learn of all you've been going through. I remember you mentioning about possibly starting methadone, but I didn't realize it was going to start this soon. And the MRI /IV thiing - how insensitive (I'm being kind, but I don't know why)! They should have called and cleared up the order, or at the very least told you about the issue and given you the choice of what to do. But you already know that.

I hope your PCP can get your PMS to quickly reconsider your pain meds for you. In the meantime, sick days are there for a reason. Please take care of yourself!



Pamela Neckpain
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   Posted 4/3/2009 4:59 AM (GMT -6)   
re: My MRI
They supposidly gave me IV sedation the other day because of pain, high
blood pressure and can you believe it ... lack of sleep the night before.
(There is never a time when I am well rested from the night before) Never.
I didn't feel one thing from the sedation or pain shot. Do they still give placebos?

They did not get the picture that they needed to get -my shoulder and etc.
Somewhere on here I posted about it. They blasted The Beach Boys down the tube.
I thought I liked them but never again. Play the Beach Boys and I'll hurl. I swear.

I was at the hospital getting MRI'd for FOUR hours. I want to complain but my
husband says "What good would that do?" (He has a point)

So if and when I go back for the rest of the series of MRI's, I will be anesthetized.
Totally out. The Tech who was kind of put out with me growled "You won't be
able to move anything."

Methadone is slow to go to work. But follow the doctors orders. It may do more
for you than any other. I get nothing from the other opiods ... very little from

I'll probably be getting a pump. Hope we both feel better soon.


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   Posted 4/3/2009 9:05 AM (GMT -6)   
Fatherjohn and Pamela---PLEASE help me to understand, how can anybody be so cold and callous as to lie about giving pain medication and then not give it!?! This is a nightmare! I understand your hesitation about doing anything about it-I am just so angry about you all and my daughter being treated this way!! I'm so sorry! Momcares
My daughter has been in chronic pain for seven yrs after a work related injury that caused neuropathy pain in her thoracic vertebrae area. She has tried physical therapy, she has had 3 failed neural stimulators surgeries 2 which were implanted directly into her spine, morphine pain pump that was infected during implant -caused her to go septic and needed to be remove-took a year to heal.On Bipap w/ oyxgen. Doc has tried neurotin, lyrica, hydrocondone,methadone, percocet, etc. all with serious side effects, now on MS Contin 30mg 4x daily for pain and morphine 15mg for break through pain and proxac 40mg for depression, worker's comp wants her to try Suboxone-been through too much,not sure it won't cause severe adverse reactions and pain doc doesn't think it is a good idea. Tired of fighting it all. Momcares.

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   Posted 4/3/2009 11:16 AM (GMT -6)   
I get so mad when I read that Dr.'s want pain patients, that have been on pain meds for years, to try Suboxone!! That is NOT FOR PAIN!! It is used to help people get off of methadone...and other meds...but it does nothing for pain... Why is it that when all else fails with CPer's they want to take us off of the pain meds? What good is that gonna do? Not a darned thing I say....Sorry, I just read that statement all the time...and hear it all the time...

Get with the program Docs.....

We are all in the same boat...unfortunatley it seems like it's sinking...
Post Lamenectomy Syndrome
Hemi Lamenectomy/Spinal Fusion(Lumbar)
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   Posted 4/3/2009 11:28 AM (GMT -6)   
I agree with momcares how could they lie to you about the IV sedation?
Father John take your wife with you to your next PMS appointment, ask your
PMS doctor exactly what his short term and long term goals are for your
pain management and if they plan on doing any procedures? and tell them
what happened with the mri and get to the bottom on it and why sedation wasn't used
and what's the point for an IV if no sedation was used??? Maybe file a formal complaint
against this mri place, could've been their error...
Hope you get a low pain day soon Father John..
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   Posted 4/3/2009 12:08 PM (GMT -6)   
fatherjohn I am sorry for all that has happened to you! it does concern me about what you said ("They put an IV in before we started and noting happened. After it was done and I was breaking down due to pain, they informed me they were not able to give me anything because the order was not clear. So they just made me think I was getting something.") That is unethical to say the least! They should have either informed you of that before they had you get the MRI and given you the choice to still have it or come back, but what they should have done is they should have contacted the Doctor earlier and got a confirmation on the the IV sedation order! I would at the very least file a grievance complaint about it!

The problem with the VA does not surprise me, I go to the VA twice a year, as I have 60% disabilty through the VA. I do avoid using the VA for anything other than getting some of my med through them! I use civilian Doctors for everything!
I do hope you can get your problems with your Pain Specialist straightened out soon!
Take care fatherjohn! I wish you only the best!
Good Luck

White Beard

I'm Retired USAF, went back to school and became an RN, and now am on ful disalbility!

Degenerative Disc (affecting mostly the thorasic disc but all levels involved), C6/7 laminectomy/diskectomy& fusion, Osteoarthritis, Ulcerative colitis, Chronic Pain, Fibromyalgia, Complex Sleep Apnea, and host of other things to spice up my life!(NOT!)

Medications: Oxycontin, Percocet, Baclofen, Sulfasalazine, Metoprolol, Folic Acid, Supplemental O2 at 3lpm with VPAP Adapt SV

Pamela Neckpain
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   Posted 4/3/2009 12:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Me Rhonda,

I sure didn't know that about Suboxone. Thank you for telling
us. I won't try it. There's a post I need to bring up about
people needing to go off pain meds to be able to feel it. It's
a bunch of hooey on Wikipedia. I'll see if I can find it later.
(It's difficult to understand)


Still boiling about your situation, John. Shall we report our bad times
at the MRI? (or not) We'll go on record for reporting if we do.

Pete trips again!
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   Posted 4/3/2009 1:42 PM (GMT -6)   
F.J. > Man that really sucks what they are doing to you! I don't get the yes>methadone---No>percpcet?? Back when I started methadone, I was taking percocet and they cut it back but let me contuinue taking it for breakthrough pain so I never stopped taking it. I did start w/ low dose methadone but w/ the perc's I didn't have any problems. When they increased the methadone and it had a chance to get into my system, it worked great and I backed off on the perc's! I never got any higher than 40mgs a day of methadone anyway which is a fairly low dose. I am now down to 20mgs a day and usually between 30mgs & 40mgs a day of percs which is less than the prescribe me. I am the kind of person who only gets by w/ pain meds, I only take just enough because I'm frightened about what's going to happen in the long run when my whole body falls apart like the Bluesmobile at the end of the BlueBrothers Movie! It's only a matter of time! Hang in there F.J. I'm sure they will get you fixed up soon> I'll pray they do!
Your Broken Down Buddy>
56 years old, Surgury, Radical Prostatectomy 8/20/03, PSA 6.6, Gleason 3 + 3 = 6, Adenocarcinoma extent (moderate) Stage & Margin:T2NOMX, No Metastases, Organ Confined, bone scan: Neg. 3 1/2 years of depression after surgery prior to Hypogonadizm DX, Testosterone Theropy> new 2/6/09> 400mg injections every 2weeks . 56 and so glad to still be here to see my two sons grow up to be fine young men. They are both serving in the US Navy, one on the aircraft carrier USS John Stennis in port in Japan and the other on a Gator Freighter USS Bataan stationed in Norfolk, Va. I am one proud PaPa! 

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   Posted 4/3/2009 5:29 PM (GMT -6)   
It may take a few days before you feel the methadone start to work. It does need to build up to a steady blood level. Did he start you at 10 mg a day or twice a day and then tell you to go up by another 5 or 10 mg every three days? That's because it builds in your bloodstream over a few days and that's why he wants you to wait every couple of days between increases.
I'm sorry that you are feeling so terrible....I wish that there were something that we could do, other than offer our support and encouragement. Please take care of yourself.
PLIF/TLIF Fusion w/Instrumentation L4-5 Spondololysthesis L4-5.Laminectomies L4-5, foraminal stenosis L3-4, L4-5, L5-S1, herniations L3-4, L4-5, L5-S1, central canal stenosis L3-4, L4-5 and L5-S1
POST OP CES 3/30-06
Neurogenic Bladder and Bowel, bilateral numbness legs and feet
Revision for failed Back surgery, pseudoarthrosis L4-5, hemilaminectomies L3-4, L4-5, L5-S1, bmp added to revision fusion, replaced two bent screws that were reversing out of vertebrae - August 2, 2007
On going back pain and neuropathic pain, failed back surgery, consult for scs, decided not to do that at this point.
Adhesive Arachnoiditis also......just what I didn't need..9/08- adding bilateral ulnar neuropathy with severe compression to the mix. They want me to see a surgeon for ulnar nerve surgery, but I'm not biting.
I've seen enough surgeons over the last few years.

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   Posted 4/3/2009 10:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Fatherjohn,

I didn't see this thread until just now, so ignore my other post on the "where is fatherjohn" thread! I am truly sorry about everything that you have been though! It sounds like an awful week, to say the least! I don't really have anything more to add about that MRI than what has already been said. It's just despicable, their attitude & what they did. I sure hope the MRI was worth it & is helpful. I hope the methadone starts working for you & provides you with some much needed relief & maybe a little sleep too! Take it easy!


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   Posted 4/3/2009 11:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for everyones kind words. I work hard at not complaining and that even goes when people prove their incompetence. It has been a week on the methadone and I keep getting worse. The pain increases, sleep is still not happening and work is stressful. I wish I could take a sick day but my schedule is constant until next Friday. It is all catching up to me and I notice that I am emotionally bankrupt. I am short with people and others are noticing it. I see the PMS on Wednesday. I am at the point that life is a struggle. Ever been there? I think they call it depression. I keep praying for others to have a great painfree weekend. Hope all of you experience it even if it is just a little here and there.

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   Posted 4/3/2009 11:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, just when I think I may have heard it all someone else comes along with another story. FJ all I can say to you is I am so sorry you have been put thru this miserable mess.
I am going to do one thing. I am going to plead with you to write a letter to the head of the MRI facility you went to and I beg you to let him know what kind of crap that tech pulled on you. If there was ever a question about the order, it should have been cleared up long before you got there. Number 2, knowing this, an IV should not have ever been placed in your hand/arm. If you let this slide there is a chance this tech will do many more patients this way and thats just not right. I truly feel you are not his first victim and as long as no one speaks up, then guess what, it will continue. At least by you writing them a letter, you can ask for a followup reply. If we do not stand up for ourselves who is going to do it for us, no one. So, please, please, please write a short brief letter.
Now about your high BP. I have a pain pump you  know and this past 2 years have been pretty darn rough cause of my uneducated PM dr. I have had high BP since I was 28 yrs old, just got it from the bad gene pool in my family. Well, my BP had been way out of control much of the two years. We changed my meds up and my PCP she is a smart lady she has had back surgery, she understands pain can cause your BP to sky rocket. But, the trouble was it was so high changing meds was not working. I needed to have tests done and the facilities said I was too high risk with the hiigh BP and I could not get the tests done till the BP dropped. Well, she finally got me on 2 kinds of meds and it has brought it down, but not where it should be. My cardiologist is very unhappy because its still on the high side, he says thats what caused aortic heart valve insuffiency to begin with, was BP not under control. My comeback to him was I can only take what my drs give me to try and get it down.
Anyway, my point on the high BP and Methadone not working. You may not be able to handle the Methadone if your BP is running that high, It is not worth running the risk of having a stroke and perhaps you need to discuss this with the PM dr. Its not something to monkey around with. If the PM dr is any kind of a dr at all he will know the dangers of the high BP and let him know how concerned your PCP dr is about this. Why did he put you on Methadone for the pain.? Were you having high BP before trying the Methadone? Did he have a reason for selecting it? Don't get me wrong, I am not knocking Methadone as a pain mgt meds, I know too mant people that it has helped and the good news they have been maintained on low doses for quite some time.  Just worried about whats going on with you.
Take care and try to get some of this stuff resolved as soon as you can....Susie

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   Posted 4/3/2009 11:54 PM (GMT -6)   
This just hit me. Those IV's all have to accounted for just like the drugs do. Its part of the inventory. What if the tech is actually putting IV's in and such just as he did with you FJ and he is taking the medication bottles home with him. He could be using, selling, no telling what. He could even run saline thru the IV and tell people its meds. Please, now will you contact the facility. Susie

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   Posted 4/4/2009 2:49 PM (GMT -6)   

Straydog...  I have a nurse practitioner a few years ago that used to send me to the pharmacy to get demerol that goes into IV.  I used to have chronic migranes.  I would get the medication bring it to her and she would give me 1 dose but I never saw the other dose.  I know she was pocketing it!  During the migrane the first time I didn't think of it until the second time I payed attention.  She told me she gave me two shots and that being so medicated I might not remember the second one.  My sister was there the whole time and I only recieved 1. I told someone in the office my concerns, just say I never seen her in that office the next few years.


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   Posted 4/5/2009 1:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Susie, I will talk to my PMS who ordered the MRI and see what he ordered. He just moved to Oregon from the east coast and I was his first patien. Is it possible that his orders are differnt that what the hospital here normally gets? If so, I see that by trying to get this clarified could help others. After I talk with him, I will decide if it would be advantageous to contact the dirctor of the imaging department. If the PMS was at fault I will advise him that it would be good to have the individuals taking the MRI to contact him if there is a question about the order. If his order was clear, then I will contact the imaging department directly and state what happened and make sure they did not charge for something I did not get. I even thought about contact my work comp company and make sure they did not get billed. My attitude about the way I was treated is getting more out of place as the days go on. It might be due to the physical pain that does not cease and the depression that I am trying to work through.

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   Posted 4/5/2009 3:56 PM (GMT -6)   
You of all people don't deserve to have been treated this way! (not that anyone does) The thing that bothers me is that you were lied to. And that goes against everything I know of about informed consent unless you were voluntarily participating in a research study. You should have been told about the problem and asked if you still wanted to undergo the MRI w/o sedation.

Do you think mobilizing some anger about this might help your depression?

I also hadn't thought of what straydog mentioned, but the more I think of it, the more it makes sense. We, the patients, always get the blame for drug diversion. Yea, right. Because we do don't need our meds.

Ok, I'll stop before I go off on a rant!


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   Posted 4/5/2009 4:15 PM (GMT -6)   
FJ do as you think is best is all I can say. But, I have to disagree with you on the clarification. It was the center's responsibility to notify your dr prior to you having the MRI to get things straight. That is the SOP. It does not really matter if your dr has ordered 1 or 100 MRI's before, the center has a duty to contact a physcian if there is an issue with an order for a procedure. I know what I am talking about, I have had too many procedures done and yes with IV's involved. If my pharmacist is not sure of a script I hand him-he calls my dr., thats what he is suppose to do. That is their job. I have walked in labs with an order for lab work, if there is a question they call the dr-they don't make their own decision, that could cost them their job.

I am telling you right now, this was no oversight and you aren't the first or the last that this tech will do this too. He has his own agenda going on like a kid in a candy store. He needs to be stopped.


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   Posted 4/9/2009 4:07 PM (GMT -6)   
Ok, I'm going to bump this thread up. Maybe Fatherjohn will get an e-mail alert, since he started the thread.

We're just wondering how you're doing, friend!

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