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Posted 4/25/2009 2:36 AM (GMT -8)
I saw your post in the other thread and even though PAlady responded with wise words I thought maybe you would get more help if we moved it to a thread of its own.

I see you didnt respond to her and am hoping you will do so here.

YOu SHOULD not do this from those meds alone. It can be very dangerous.

I dont see what exactly your on or how much so advise on a correct taper isnt possible.

You have to go real slow with the methadone and I mean real slow.

Please come back here if you have not gone to ER and maybe some of us can get you safely thru this.

Your Doc has an obligation to help you and if he isnt its time to look elsewhere and report him! If he put you on them he by law has to take you down from them when your ready or your medical standing warrants being taken off and this is true even for those caught abusing their meds,they cannot leave you out int he cold.

I am hoping you fell asleep and once you awaken you will return here and let us know or you called an ambulance.

Good luck and you will find all the support you can handle right here in this place many call home.

There are times when no one is around but if you give it just a little while someone usually pops in and will respond.

Posted 4/25/2009 4:35 AM (GMT -8)
Sorry if I'm wrong here, but I dont understand why everyone keeps saying that it's dangerous to go through withdrawals whether it be from a taper or coldturkey even off of high amounts. I have been for several years trying to taper off of the methadone I was taking (with a doctors help)and did tons and tons of research and all the literature said it was not dangerous. The only things that are dangerous to withdrawal from are alcohol, benzodiazipines, ultram, and barbituarates, but not from opiates. I even was forced to take addiction classes to get my prescription for the Suboxone paid for by medicaid and we talked alot about it and I was told by the specialists that it is not dangerous, it just makes you feel like you are dying, but you wont. But sometimes you do become dehydrated but thats why they tell you to force down lots of fluid. And if it was dangerous, then going to the ER with withdrawals would get you alot more attention, but usually they just rehydrate you and give you a prescription for clonidine and/or valium, and treated like dirt the whole time no matter what your excuse is. But telling people that it's dangerous is kinda misleading, sometimes the best thing to do is stay at home, drink lots and lots of water, gatoraide, 7up and broth, take lots of hot showers and/or baths, and just wait it out, find something to keep your mind busy like watching movies. And, sleep is always to last thing to return, that can take months before one starts to actually get some sleep. Even when I switched from the methadone to the Suboxone I was forced to withdrawal for 48 hours, and I lived through it, never was I told that it was dangerous. And the last thing one would wanna do during detoxing is go to the ER where you have to more then likely wait hours and hours to be seen where you have lay on an uncomfortable bed when you feel like you could crawl out of your skin, to be treated like a street addict by the nurses, where they talk bad about you when they go out of the room to the other nurses and doctors. Then the doctor comes in and talks to you badly and makes you feel like garbage (the chances of that not happening is pretty slim but sometimes you will find a caring doctor) then your sent home still feeling uncomfortable. Now I have never been through the ER with withdrawals (never had a reason and I hardly ever suffered from withdrawals) but I have met countless people who told me this same story and read alot of forums where it happened to them. I just feell ike if one can hold down some water then the will be fine, unless one has a heart issue or some other huge medical issue then yes, it could be dangerous, but for someone who's basically healther with no heart issues, then they should be fine. but it's always one's choice, and I agree that this should be under the care of a doctor, especailly the one who has you on the pills to began with so they can prescribe you meds to make you somehwat comfortable, and they should makesure your able to check your blood pressure daily if they gave you clonidine.

correct me if I'm wrong, alot of the time I am.

-hellokitty
Posted 4/25/2009 10:41 AM (GMT -8)
Angel,
Thanks for catching this and moving it to its own thread. Crste I do hope you let us know how you're doing, and that you get some medical attention.

HelloKitty I hope you don't take this wrong but telling someone to detox on their own based on what was told to you can be dangerous. You don't know this person's complete medical or psychiatric history. None of us do. And so at worst it may mean an unpleasant visit to the E.R. but at best it may save a life and we're not here to make that call.
I just feel that when someone's in the state Crste was he/she is not thining clearly and needs someone in person to assess them. We aren't here to do that, or to walk someone through detox on the forum. We can support them through it, but that's different than giving them advice on how to do it.

Crste - let us know how you're doing. At the very minimum if you haven't yet sought medical treatment call the doctor who prescribed the medications and ask for help tapering down.

We care and want you to be safe.

PaLady
Posted 4/25/2009 5:51 PM (GMT -8)
Oh, sorry. I wasnt giving them MY advice, it's just what I've read in books over and over, and of course all of them had diffrent things like vitamins and supplements to take, but I would never give advise on that cause thats a doctor to say, cause I know most vitamins and supplements makes me terribly sick. But drinking water and hot baths is just common sense, not much diffrent then being told to rest or use a heating pad for pain. I will absoutly talk to my doctor on my appointment on May5th, who has a license in addiction medicine (he's also a family doctor, I'm gonna see him for my sleeping issues) and I will ask about what would make withdrawals dangerous, but I really feel as this Crste person would be under a doctors care if they where in trouble of becoming deathly sick. But they havent answered that for us yet. But of course all detoxing should be done under a doctor's care, but not everyone can afford that. But I have heard many stories of people going to the ER with withdrawls and almost all of them just got rehydrated and something to take the edge off, and usually told to look into a rehab center, but I've never heard of anyone being told from an ER doctor that they're gonna die from withdrawals. But I could be wrong, but I will get back to you about what my doctor says IF I remember, it seems like once I drive an hour and half to the doctor's office, I'm so sore that I'm just in a hurry to get back home and forget everything I meant to ask him, and I only see him every 2 months usually so I'll write it down on my appointment card in my purse right now.

But I think we're all confused on the facts of what can happen, and I'm sure every doctor has a diffrent opinion, so I guess its a case by case problem, but I personally have never heard of any deaths from withdrawals caused by painkillers unless that person had an underlying cause already that can be aggrevated, but if I am wrong, then I wanna ask my suboxone doctor why I had to withdrawal for 48 hours before I started the subs and wasnt told that I could become deathly sick, and they had me withdrawal before they ever met me, so they had no idea if I had heart problems or anything, and this common practice for suboxone by most of the doctors.

But we dont know the full story from Crste, and i hope they are well, they seemed pretty desprate....it's a scary thing to go through, thats forsure.

-hellokitty
Posted 4/25/2009 6:46 PM (GMT -8)
Kitty,
The important point is what your doctor is telling you he is telling YOU. He knows your history, etc. Someone as desperate as Crste's post sounded needs to seek medical attention because none of us here knows everything going on with her. So if you share what your doctor tells you please clarify that it's only what's been told to you, for you.

People can die from withdrawals handled inappropriately. And none of us knows someone else's underlying factors.

PaLady
Posted 4/26/2009 2:19 AM (GMT -8)
Kitty,

I was forced off Methadone way too quick about three years ago. It was terrilllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Posted 4/26/2009 2:40 AM (GMT -8)
Briefly,

My experience of going off Oxycontin too fast
was bad. Terrible.

I hope that never happens to me AGAIN.
I don't know what the DC would read.
I tell you, I simply couldn't do it without
help.

btw, a hot back would put me in Hell.
Something about disruption of the nerve
root. Beats me.

A hot bath and a heating pad just wont
see some of us through the dark dark
night.

I give no advice. I listen to advice and
take some. I'm careful. I've had
training for Suicide Prevention and
know that advice isn't for the best
sometimes.

I have read no posts from a new member
so I don't know what you all are talking
about.
Posted 4/26/2009 2:44 AM (GMT -8)
I've checked in the mirror.
There are no key imprints on
my forehead, but my face
is bright red.
Posted 4/26/2009 3:02 AM (GMT -8)

I thought maybe PAlady if I put it in it's own thread they would come back but it doesnt look  as if that is going to happen.

Kitty forget what all the books have said! It is dangerous to go it alone. PAlady is right about things complicating the issue and your Doc knowing if you carry one of those factors or not and yes the ER staff far too many times are callous about it and if you must give them an excuse as if there is any,it is them feeling as though they are wasting their time on just an addict when there are real sick folks out there who need their help.

Of course you would NOT hear of someone dying from w/ds as their death would be listed as one of the causes rather then the factor,example might be hypertension,seizure,dehydration,kidney failure from the dehydration,and yes even suicide as being the number one of those. I cant say how you were tapering but I know how I am and how many others are and you are NOT in a proper state of mind when every breath hurts,every centimeter of your body aches and there doesnt seem an end in sight. Far too many times the overwhelming thoughts of living with those feelings become too much for just a moment and a moment is all it takes to end your life.

This was a desperate person calling here and I certainly hope they went to find help and the fact that the treating Doc was not there monitoring the situation was well just bad.

I wrote in another thread of 2 Docs here sanctioned for overprescribing among other things and one of those completely losing his lic. altogether leaving hundreds of his legitimate patients to fend for themselves and 2 of those did not make it. One was a former Iraqi soldier wounded over there and send home on medical and was being treated by this Doc for his pain issues as well as post tramatic disorder,when the Doc couldnt refill his meds and he couldnt find a nother Doc to treat him since he was only 24 years old and far too many Docs will not prescribe for this young of a patient no matter what! Thinks the DEA is going to breath down their back so he spend weeks in horrific w/ds,not to mention that none of his refills on any of his meds were worth the paper they were written since the DOc had been sanctioned,he was left totally out in the cold no meds of any kind here. He went to the cemetary one night took his Brother whom was a police officers service revolver with him and never came out again.

Was it written up that way? Not,it was ruled suicide straight and simple,he was a casualty of war so to speak but was he really? Not from the folks who knew him he wasnt,he was a casualty of some kind of war ,the war on drugs,but not Iraq.

Please dont believe everything they tell you or everything you read in a book or here as sometimes it isnt always what it look like.

Posted 4/26/2009 1:21 PM (GMT -8)
Angel,
I'm glad you did put it up as a separate post. I did write a moderator to keep an eye on it, but don't know what happened.

We can only do so much, though, and I appreciate very much your input.

Pamela,

I have to say that this is one of the times you did hijack a thread that was meant for someone who was, as Angel said,
desperate. Since you admit you didn't know what was being talked about, why are you responding? I think your
drawing out of the word "terrible" is what made this thread long and difficult to read. If you see this, can you please
edit that word out? Thanks.

PaLady
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