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Posted 9/13/2009 2:57 PM (GMT -7)
Well, I went back to the dentist from hell only to find he was fired from the place, imagine that. I was there to get the other crown on the other side put on. They had an older guy there filling in and I got to talking to him about the other side being a problem and not able to hold a crown according to the other dentist. He went and got the office manager that was there over all of the clinics. Boy, did I give her an ear full. By the time I got done with her I had her sitting for nearly an hour. I left not one rock unturned either. I told her I suspected this palce to be nothing but a scam from what I could tell. The old dentist had the girl take a xray of the other crown and sure enough it is not seating correctly. As it turned out the crown he was going to put in was the wrong color, not even a close match!! So that was the second time for that crown to go back.  I was so tired that day I did not want anything further done so I left. I go in tomorrow and he will take that crown off and take a look underneath to see what he thinks. I said I felt they owed me a new crown because that one never fit right to begin with. 

I saw my 2nd dermatologist Friday and he was just as the other one said the guru of psoriasis. He says it appears I have two different types going on. He uses Humira quite frequently for his patients so we are are going to see how I do with it, since I just started back on  it. He also uses alot of Vitamin A so, he gave me 2 samples of different types to try and see if my ins will cover each because he says its really expensive. There is also a pill he wants to start me on called Soriatane but needs to see my labs that was done on checking my liver from being on Imuran. He will get those from my rheumy. This pill is a maintenance type of drug that will help prevent further breakouts and help clear it up. Thats about all for now. Oh, he did look at my legs and squeezed the bottoms of them to which I drew back. He said I do hope you are seeking medical care for your legs, you have a real issue with blood flow in them all the blood is pooling in the bottom of your legs and not able to pump back up. I said yes, got someone looking after those too. I was pleased with how the appt went although I had a hard tme getting an appt. The other dermtologist had to call him personally before he would agree to see me. Some crap about only seeing people on Medicare that are 65 and over !!! I think they call that discrimination where I come from!!

Straydog/Susie

Moderator Chronic Pain

 

crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & decreased circulation in both legs. Several other health issues just not enough room to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 16 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.

Posted 9/13/2009 3:35 PM (GMT -7)
Susie,
I am so glad you were able to tell them what happened with that dentist! Not that it solves everything for you, but a new crown would seem the least they owe you!!!!

I am scheduled to have my tooth extracted this coming Thursday with the "good dentist". However, I'm starting to wonder if there's not more going on. There's a part back further from that tooth down by the jaw (inside the mouth) that is still bumpy. So I called his office and spoke in detail to the receptionist (all of them seem familiar with my case!) and to have him look at that before we extract the tooth. I can't believe this is all happening on top of everything else. And, of course, I got a bill this week from the "bad dentist" for the remaining $300 I owe him. I have not yet written him a letter because I'm not sure what I want to say, and other things have been a priority - like trying to get health insurance and medication! This all becomes overwhelming, doesn't it?

I'm glad you got at least one good doc, and I hope his treatment plan works for you.

Hugs,

PaLady
Posted 9/13/2009 5:10 PM (GMT -7)
Suzie

Great to hear that you are finally getting all your dental work under control. Somebody was sure looking over your shoulder - what are the chances that the original dentist from Haddes would be fired. The new, older dentist, went to bat for you. Good things do happen (eventually) to good people.

Double plus with the progress on your skin.

Stella Marie

Co-Forum Moderator for Chronic Pain

Rare neurodegenerative /movement disorder called “Multiple System Atrophy”.  Mobility issues,, neuropathic pain,  spasticity, central apnea, collagenous colitis, joint and body pain, swallowing and respitory  involvement,  Implants: intrathecal pump  & neurostimulator.  Extra features: O2 & wheelchair

 Not all of us can be Cinderella, but some of us can be Fairy Godmothers.......

 

Posted 9/13/2009 7:37 PM (GMT -7)
Susie,
I sure hope you start getting some really good treatments from this new dentist and new dermatologist..
hope it works out for you and will keep my fingers crossed for you...
hugz and lots of them...
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Posted 9/14/2009 3:24 AM (GMT -7)
Hi Susie, I really hope the humira works for you, I'm on it for arthritis and I must say compared to so many other meds I've been on it seems to affect me the best plus have very few side effects. I'm crossing my fingers it works for you too (like Char)
As for the dentists both yourself and PAlady have found I can't believe how shoddy they are, so shocking to think they can get away with such horrendous treatment, can't you report them or something? Horrors.
You guys have had such a bad run, I'm really hoping that the September genie is out there minding you both now, golitho
Posted 9/14/2009 7:24 PM (GMT -7)
I am not out of the woods by a long shot  with the dental issues. At the time this all started I was having two crowns & root canals done. So, no, nothing has been resolved over the issue of the one crown. I have so little faith in this outfit, I highly believe they deliver sub standard care-the facility they use to makes their crowns is no better than they are either the best I can tell. I have to really careful when I get on this subject because its just like a burr under my saddle that keeps getting bigger with time. I got a little loud talking to that mgr that day but managed to talk without wrapping my hands around her neck, although I sure wanted too. 

Here about 10 yrs ago my daughter had a friend recommend this dental clinic to my daughter. about $10,000.00 lighter and 25 pounds lighter my daughter walked out of that place in horrific shape.  They screwed up her teeth something fiece and the pain this chils went thru was something else. She was not able to eat for food for a very long time and she was already a tiny thing to begin with like a 100 pounds when this all started. She had to have all that work redone-some was not even needed originally most likely. it was one pathetic mess what she endured. It took a very long time to finally get all of the work redone. I can see this outfit I stumbled upon being along the same lines, after all they are in to me for $5400 already.!!!

Golitho the Humira has helped my crohns so much more than the Remicade. The Remicade made me sick for 3-4 days bad enough I had to go to bed. With Humira I give myself a shot and go on my happy way. I love it. I just hope I can stay on it without any more infections cropping up.

Straydog/Susie

Moderator Chronic Pain

 

crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & decreased circulation in both legs. Several other health issues just not enough room to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 16 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.

Posted 9/14/2009 8:48 PM (GMT -7)
Susie,
There was a front page story in our Sunday paper about this dental clinic that has recently been closed down (they've allowed it to re-open, but are monitoring things). Seems it has to do with a partnership dissolving in part, and one partneris claiming the other was committing fraud by billing the insurance company for crowns made of better material than they were actually made of. You might want to see if you can get the procedure codes and get someone in the insurance comany to identify them. Would be interesting to see if that crown was made in the way and with the materials it was billed for. Hope I'm making sense!

I thought of both of us...and no, my dentist wasn't involved, but I was sure reading closely looking for his name!

PaLady
Posted 9/15/2009 11:26 AM (GMT -7)
PaLady I do not have dental insurance so that leaves me pretty much out the window. But, I just now got a thought, I do plan on consulting with another dentist as soon as I can $$ wise. this is something a good seasoned dentist should know on the material end of things. Thanks for posting on this. I just get livid when I think about this mess and the fact that I still ahve to go back there gripes me to no end. I just have this terrible feeling that the crown on the other sidew will turn out as the other side did. I cannot help it. I really think this guy sabotaged his own work in order to pump up the bill. I have seen what little tooth is left on this other side and they look the same. My problem is simple, I have no actual proof that he drilled off too much tooth. He went down to gum line for no reason on both teeth. My other dentist never did that.

Straydog/Susie

Moderator Chronic Pain

 

crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & decreased circulation in both legs. Several other health issues just not enough room to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 16 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.

Posted 9/15/2009 12:28 PM (GMT -7)
Susie,
I honestly think that's something similar to what happened to me. When the two specialists I got second opinions from both said I had lost a lot of bone in that tooth, I thought - no one said that before all the drilling and the new crown! But proving this is another thing, right? I no longer have any dental insurance either, which is why my angel dentist, who is due to pull my tooth on Thursday, is really my savior (although there are some things I want him to look at before he pulls that tooth...once it's gone, it's gone forever, as w know).

I will tell you I'm so glad I got second opinions and they really didn't cost that much. I think one was $50 plus $20 for a specialized X-ray (that was from the endodontist), and my "angel" didn't charge me at all! I just wish I had gone for these opinions earlier. I'll tell you one thing, I sat down and called all the specialists in the phone book to ask about what a second opinion would cost, and some of their other costs, and learned a lot just by how I was treated by the receptionist, and how rigid their policies were. Then when my goddaughter told me she had her root canal done by this endodontist (the one I went to for a second opinion) that sealed the deal on who I would see. BUT even with that, I think these guys all protect eachother. This community isn't that large, and I'm sure most of the dentists know eachother, and both the endo. and my "angel" said they would "talk with" my devil dentist, but neither of them would say that any work was done incorrectly. Since you know the legal piece of things you know they don't want to get in the middle of a fight.

I know the feeling about not wanting to go back to the person who injured you - and I do use the word "injured" because it's not just about teeth, especially for those of us who already have multiple problems.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but I would encourage you to try to get a second opinion before you go back to your guy.

Hugs,

PaLady
Posted 9/15/2009 12:41 PM (GMT -7)
You are so right, "injured" is the correct word as far as I am concerned. My two teeth had no visable decay-they broke and I know why, I was craving ice and I was eating crushed ice from my refrigerator door like crazy woman, I broke those two teeth. I am not going to be able to see my 2nd opinion guy before the next crown is put on. I am not worried about it-as here is why. On the "bad tooth I do actually have the crown on it, just not seated properly ok. If the other tooth turns out the same way, I will simply have them glue the crown on regardless like the ther and them beat my fet for the 2nd opinion. I want the 2nd opinion to see these crowns so he can tell me the quality of them which I think is pure chit!!! I can assure the crowns in my mouth that are old look one hundred times better than this crappy thing they put in my mouth. It does not even look like a tooth Palady. See where I am coming from here,lol. Birds of a feather flock together in the small community situation.

Straydog/Susie

Moderator Chronic Pain

 

crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & decreased circulation in both legs. Several other health issues just not enough room to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 16 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.

Posted 9/15/2009 12:44 PM (GMT -7)
I sometimes think they file these teeth down because they know eventually it means some kind of implant or bridge or whatever which is just more money. They do lousy work, collect our money, so they can do more lousy work.

GRRRRRRRR!!!!

PaLady
Posted 9/15/2009 1:23 PM (GMT -7)
You hit it on the head, I know that was the intentions of that %&*#(%@ that got a hold of me. Don't think I didn't tell that office mgr this too,lol.

Straydog/Susie

Moderator Chronic Pain

 

crohns disease dx 2002 & small bowel resection, still looking for remission whatever that is, chronic pain 22 yrs, added ulcerative colitis 6-05 to the mix, high blood pressure 28 yrs, aortic heart valve insuffiency, depression, osteoarthritis, osteoporosis lumbar spine, scoliosis lumbar spine, peripheral neuropathy hands & feet, COPD & on oxygen therapy, lupus & decreased circulation in both legs. Several other health issues just not enough room to list it all. Too many surgeries to list and too many medications to list. Currently on 16 different daily medications. Intrathecal pain pump implanted June 05.

Posted 9/16/2009 1:48 PM (GMT -7)
Susie, good luck on your second opinion, I sure wish you and PALady had better Dentist, as this never should've happened to you!
PALady, good luck on Thursday and so sorry you got to loose a tooth...
HUGZ to both of you...
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Sure wish you could get a good lawyer to take these Dentist to the cleaners (ProBono) (SP?)
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Enlarged Pituitary Gland, Sjogren's and Ocular Migraines

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