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White Beard
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   Posted 5/24/2010 4:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I went in to the Pain Doc today and got my Occipital Nerve block! I did not want the xanax as I was alone and driving, but I did take a Percocet about a half hour before I got there! Anyway when I went in they had me sign all the paper work, and went over all the medications I was on and all that routine! Then he sat the high back straight chair with the back against side of the exam table, I went up and straddled the back of the chair, and put my head on the bed or cot or exam table or whatever it is????, and pinned up my pony tail and he injected 5 cc's of this supposedly magical elixer stuff into each side of the base of my skull! The needle hurt like the dickens,( no lidocaine to numb the area first) and the pressure of him injecting the stuff was worse, because he had to do it very slowly, ( I groaned really loud!!!) ( I thought maybe to loud, but darn it hurt!!!!!) Anyway I think the second one ( left side was the worst!) I felt like I had two gulfballs pressing into the base of my skull when he was through, and shortly afterwards when I was driving home I noticed the back of my head was really really numb! ( it felt really funny when I pulled on my pony tail! ) Anyway the numbness is just about worn off now, and I am starting to hurt a bit! I do hope this will give me some relief! at least for a little while, I am so tired of this pain in the back of my head! I do see the surgeon the 9th, maybe he will be able to do something, according to the charts in the PM's office it is C2/3 is the culprit that is causing the pain, and it all fits with what the Doc said and what the nerve block is for! Anyway just thought I would share my morning with you all!

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   Posted 5/24/2010 5:15 PM (GMT -6)   
oh I feel for you White Beard. I have had 3 years of occipital blocks and I hate 'em!. I'm thats just me, I know it'll help you!) the numbness has worn off already as the pain the second day would usually be worse. Heres' hoping they help you and you never have to go through that again ( wouldn't that be nice!) Lets hope this is the last block you have to endure
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   Posted 5/24/2010 5:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey W.B. that sounds like some real ouchies! Sorry you had to go through w/ them but if thats what it takes to get some relief, I'm sure it will be worth it! Hang tough Old boy and good luck w/ the surgeon> The 9th> Ugg, the waiting game again!
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   Posted 5/24/2010 5:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi White Beard,

Those injections certainly sound like no fun. Hopefully the added pain will be worth it & the injections will help!


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   Posted 5/24/2010 6:31 PM (GMT -6)   
ouch that sounds awful. I am always sore after things like this. hopefully some ice may help.

I dont think I could have done it.

do they use any imaging or just poke you blind>>?
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   Posted 5/24/2010 6:54 PM (GMT -6)   
WB, old sage, I'm sorry you had that experience. You don't deserve more pain. I feel for you. I will pray that this helps for you now and that it was all worth it. God bless, my friend.

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   Posted 5/24/2010 9:26 PM (GMT -6)   
I feel for you White Beard....I don't care what type of injection it is, they HURT!!!

I sure hope you're feeling better soon....and I hope these injections help you for a good long period of time.

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   Posted 5/24/2010 9:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey WhiteBeard,
Take it easy for the next day and don't forget to use ice packs on the injection site, but sure hope it helps and
that your feeling better tomorrow...rest up, okay...and ya know lots of soft healing hugz coming your ways...
we all luv ya, so keep us posted okay...
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   Posted 5/24/2010 10:12 PM (GMT -6)   
When they do the Epidural Injections they use the imaging to place the steroid in the epidural space in the spinal column they have to becareful not to hit the spinal cord. With the nerve block they don't use imaging ( at least they didn't on me), as they are just trying to get the occipital nerve, and they don't go near the spine. they get the nerve as it comes out on each side. Right now the numbness is gone and my head hurt like it alway does and it hurts more on the right side. I hope that it works, but I was told there is no guarantees with it! But I would still hate to think that this was all done for nothing! Maybe in a few days!??? Hope! Hope! Hope!

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   Posted 5/24/2010 10:40 PM (GMT -6)   

I know, from experience, how painful those blocks are... I feel for you! Hope you are resting tonight and taking care of yourself. I hope once the pain from the injections go away... you'll find that they helped! I'm praying for you, my friend!

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   Posted 5/25/2010 12:03 AM (GMT -6)   
I have never experienced those kind of injections before, and it sounds like I don;t want do!!! Hopefully they give you relief....I HATE waiting!
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   Posted 5/25/2010 4:30 AM (GMT -6)   
WhiteBeard that is no way to have to start the day thats for sure. I have had those done and they hurt like the dickens, I don't care what anyone says. I hope this gives you some much needed relief.

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   Posted 5/25/2010 4:51 AM (GMT -6)   
White Beard,
You had to straddle the chair? The position itself doesn't sound very comfortable or stable. I've never had these injections but is this normal? Regardless, I sure hope that you get some relief even if there's some discomfort for a couple of days. I hope icing the areas help.


But let's hope the ouch is worth it!


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   Posted 5/25/2010 7:11 AM (GMT -6)   
I have never had those injections done. What are they for? I have had botox injected in both sides of my neck and also had a facet nerve rhizotomy on the left side. I was supposed to get the right side done also but the pain of the procedure far out weighed any relief I got, which was zero to none! I hope what you had done gives you some relief...take care my friend!
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   Posted 5/25/2010 1:56 PM (GMT -6)   
I have really bad pain in the lower back of my head and upper part of my neck, they tell me from the MRI that the nerve root is being impinged at C-2/C-3. The Greater and lesser Occipital nerve comes from C2 and 3 the Back of the head and upper portion of the neck is innervated by these nerves , So he injects whatever it is, ( He told me, but I did not get it) anyway he injects this into the nerve or next to it or where ever and since the nerve comes out on each side and innervated each side, he injected it on both sides! This injection is to block the nerve from transmitting pain signals. One thing that is funny about nerve root impingement or irritation, is the pain is not usually felt at the nerve root, as much as it is felt where that nerve root innervates. Such as at C-5-6-7- When these nerve roots are compressed or irritated, you feel pain in your arm ( usually lower arm and hand) When they do the Epidural injections, they inject steroid that is used to treat the inflamation of the nerve root that is being irritated, thus hopefully relieves the pain. When they do a nerve block they try to chemically block the nerve from transmitting the pain signals.I believe that would be the correct way to describe it. I have had the epidural steroid injections, and I only got a couple of weeks relief from it. But that is a very good indicator to the surgeon that, that nerve root is indeed the problem area! Anyway I need to give it a few days to see if it works! Patients is not one of my finer qualities! But I will try! My Father had the Botox injections at the base of his head for muscle spasms there, they worked very welll for him! I think I inherited his back but bad backs also run on my mothers side of the family too! Looks like I got a double dose~

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   Posted 5/25/2010 2:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi White Beard.  I hope you're feeling better this afternoon.  I wish you so much luck on the procedure working for you and making your pain go away.
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   Posted 5/25/2010 7:10 PM (GMT -6)   
   Dear White Beard,
      I sure hope the injections help and give you atleast a decrease in pain until you can get to see the surgeon!! like you mentioned, it helps the doctors to confirm the area that is injured. SO, now that they are positive, I sure hope you can get into the surgeon soon!  You are in our hearts and prayers here. Try hard to be patient with the results!
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   Posted 5/25/2010 7:23 PM (GMT -6)   
It all sounds horrible WB, lets hope they work for you. I have a problem at C2/3 as well (nothing like you)and my physio calls it the nausea button. Do you get nausea there as well? I get a lot of numbness in my face, eye, lips and tongue and they say there are so many nerve bundles at these high sites, no wonder it was such agony to have the injections there.
How long before you know if its worked? A few days like the cortisone? Or longer?

Really hope it does work, horribe to go through painful procedures and get little relief from it.

Best wishes, golitho

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   Posted 5/25/2010 9:00 PM (GMT -6)   
It is funny that you mentioned that being caused the nausea button, as I have a very very hard time with gagging an d wretching, certain movements or straining of my neck causes me to wretch and gag the stomach it self is not invoved, but everything else is. It is just like I am vomiting but I am not! It is terrible and sometimes it will go on and on. When it happens it tears me up! Could that be from C-2/3??? I have this problem for many many years. I have heard allot of reasons for it but no one has fixed it yet! I wonder? My pain Doctor does think and ACDF might just fix the pain prombem.


I to thought the positions was rather odd till he started doing the procedure, I was straddling the chair and the back of the chair was against the exam table, I had my arms crossed on the exam table and my head with my forehead pressed into my arms and my chin kind of tucked into my chest, the pulled my pony tail up and pinned it to the top of my head, the injections were right at the hair line a couple of two or three finger widths away on eachside of the center line of the spine. With the head positioned that way he could press the injections straight down in and my head was stable! ( I was not about to move it, no matter how much it hurt! [img]/community/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] ) I think the pressure was the big thing it was really intense! Last night I got up about two AM and put a cold pack on the back of my head and took a pain pill, today I have not done very much my head and neck are really sore and stiff! I hope it starts feelling bettter soon I need to mow the lawn!

Again Thank You all for all the support! It really does mean more to me than you can ever imagine! Thank-You!

White Beard

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   Posted 5/26/2010 6:15 AM (GMT -6)   
W.B.>> If I lived near you, I'd mow your lawn for you! I've had lots of practice w/ mowing!!! Sure hope the meds he stuck you with start helping soon!! I think they will after the area settles down from the stress of the shots!! Prayers & Manhugs coming your way!!
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