Florida cracking down on "Pill Mills" Finally> But???

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Pete trips again!
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   Posted 10/29/2010 5:55 AM (GMT -6)   
I know a lot of you have heard about the lacks laws in good old Fla. for getting all kinds of narcotics at these so called pain clinics. Well a law goes into affect today that should stop the druggies from getting millions of pain pills and flouding the country with them and making these so called doctors millionaires!! It's about time!!
Instead of trying to write down exactly what the new laws (more than one) state, which I would probably mess up, Google Florida's new pain clinic laws.
Of course there is a down side of whats happening here for the C.P. community though. A lot of docs are scared to death and going to be closing down or changing the way they take care of their patiants! Now many of the legit CP'ers will have to struggle to find a real doc willing to prescribe meds and will have to go w/ out. It's a real double edged sword and as usual the real CP'ers are the losers!!! I hope that this is not a sign of things to come for everyone?????
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Pete

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   Posted 10/29/2010 8:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Pete,
I guess that Florida had to do something and if it works for y'all then other
States might follow suit and adopt it as well, so this could becoming to other
States, it's such a shame that what those bad pain clinics did and how they
are hurting good people in legit pain now...Lets just hope that they can come out with
newer and better pain medicines..
Pete nice to see ya posting, Hope your not going to over do things..How's the lil
wifey doing from her throat surgery, that's a heck of a surgery on an adult, I had
mine removed when I was in my 30's took me a full 6+ months to heal ( I had
complications)...
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   Posted 10/29/2010 10:09 AM (GMT -6)   
 
  is this the laws your talking about?
 
 
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Mrs. Dani
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   Posted 10/29/2010 10:21 AM (GMT -6)   
 
Understanding SB 2272 aka "Pill Mill Bill"
 
 
Legal Break Down (Combined 2272 and SJ 00552)
 
 
 

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   Posted 10/29/2010 11:06 AM (GMT -6)   
Even if other state's do not adopt the same type of laws that Florida is putting into effect there is still going to be ripple effects throughout the entire country. It happens every time there is media attention to the problem of prescription junkies let alone when some state or another implements some law or program to combat this.

While I agree that the problems of drug abuse needs to be addressed and handled the government all too often goes overboard in what they do and ends up causing a lot of harm to the legitimate segment of the population. It is like a doctor amputation a leg to treat a wart on a foot.
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   Posted 10/29/2010 11:45 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm with you brother Pete , I hope iy works but doesn't adversely effect the folks who really need pain meds and are suffering because that would be very bad . I hope your doing well brother Pete ! your buddy Mikel
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   Posted 10/29/2010 2:45 PM (GMT -6)   
Pete,
I'm saying a prayer that you will not be affected by these new laws. On paper they seem reasonable -- no more billboards saying "Want Oxy? Get off at the next exit". ;) I know here in IL they seem to check up on pain docs pretty regularly. It means more paperwork for them, but other than that they seem to do okay.

I was reading that the biggest impact will probably be on PCP's who prescribe pain meds for their patients. If they don't understand that the new laws apply to them they could be penalized.

I personally think it's great that docs can't distribute huge amounts of C2 meds to their patients at their clinics. It seems like a good check to force them to get meds from a pharmacy. I know I've had pharmacists who like to look at me sideways when I fill a prescription but I also know that here in IL at least pharmacists have saved patients' lives by flagging insane doses of meds (35 oxy per day from one doctor deserves to be flagged! I don't care what your problem is). A couple of non-PM crazy doctors have actually been caught only b/c they were flagged by a pharmacist, even though later it was discovered that they had killed past patients by prescribing them ungodly amounts of narcs.

But I also know that sometimes people jump to conclusions & at times the legit doctors who just make an honest error (forget to cross their t's on their paperwork) may be easier to catch than "doctors" who intentionally engage in unethical & immoral activities. I sure hope that doesn't happen to you. I did see that a group of pain specialists were suing FL over certain provisions of the new laws. Maybe that suit will help clarify certain issues & allow legit docs to feel more comfortable providing appropriate care to their pain patients.

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Pete trips again!
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   Posted 10/30/2010 6:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Dani for putting those sites up for all to read!!! I couldn't figure out how to do that, my putor skills are nada! Also thanks to Frances, Jim and Mikel for posting! Lets hope that not too many people w/ CP are harmed by these laws. It seems Shaw (new HW poster) is our first victim as his doc changed him from methadone to morphine because of the new bills! Now he is in withdraw because of it!
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Pete

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   Posted 10/30/2010 10:37 AM (GMT -6)   

  Dear Pete,

     After reading everything... I do understand the severity of the problem. I do realize just how many billions of dollars are being funneled through the pill mills. On the other hand I see a severe lac of prosecuting the true "sources". Obviously someone's pocket is being padded to allow so many to open in a single county. Obviously someone is allowing the approval for mass quantities to be sent from the manufacturers.. I DO see the need. I just worry they are not prosecuting ALL the parties involved.

    Also, someone made a good point RE: number of prescriptions. There are many patients that have to refill monthly for all sorts of reasons. Restrictions, monthly assessments (personally I get 3 months approved at a time but only fill monthly), insurance restrictions, local law, individual facility / doctor policy (UAs, # of scripts), sometimes people can only afford to fill 2 weeks at a time. So, there will be many "bugs" to work out.

    On the other hand, someone posting a "news special" from Florida a few months. When I watched it my heart sank. People literally in line to get scripts... the lines stretched out the clinics and around the buildings. "Fake" illnesses and shady "reports" is all that was needed to gain insane amounts of class 1 & 2 meds. Obviously, something, anything, has to be done.

      I just worry that the laws are too "general" and aren't specific enough to separate the "good folks" from the "Bad folks". Not specific enough to be able to prosecute ALL involved. Okay, now that I have rambled on with my worries I will end this here. I must admit I will be watching how this all plays out over the next few months.

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  dani

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   Posted 10/30/2010 10:58 AM (GMT -6)   
 
    The pressure is on here in KS as well. While the state laws have not yet been changed the PM's and PCD's are changing the way they are giving out scripts. Oxycontin is a no no now, here in this area. My PCD used to issue me  #120 a month(Oycodone),  but has now elected to script me 60ct every two weeks now. I know it's the same number at the end of the month, but I guess it looks better on paper. I have an appt with him in two weeks, and will ask him more questions at that time.
 
   While I do feel that I'm under/medicated, I'm unsure as to wether or not ask him to up my dose. All of this going on around the country has put us CP patients in a delima. I do not feel good most of the time, and it is sobering to take a pain med and it only works half way for relief. Lord help us all! mad     
 
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   Posted 10/30/2010 9:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi All:
 
The "news special" I believe Dani is referring to was a documentary called "The Oxycontin Express" if anyone is interested in watching it, you can find it online. 
 
 
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