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Miss Blossom
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   Posted 3/21/2011 4:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Everyone,

I am feeling a lot of mixed feelings today. I saw my naturopath and my physiotherapist today and I see my psychiatrist tomorrow. When I saw my psychiatrist last week he was adamant that he wanted me on an anti-depressant for both mood and pain. I have known him for years and he has never pressured me to take meds, so I know he is worried about me. He is consulting with a pain specialist and my sports doctor to suggest an anti-depressant and perhaps new pain meds as I indicted what I was taking was not helpful.

My naturopath, who is very supportive of working with the medical model, is encouraging me to try some more natural options first. She gave me samples of Wobenzyme and is recommending 5-HTP for mood and sleep. She also wants me to consider probiotics. She said that disruption to the immune system often stem from the gut. As most of my issues are auto-immune related, if we can address my overactive fighter cells a lot of my pain and inflammation would be addressed.

I want to try the natural remedies, but I don't know how much longer I can cope with the pain, lack of sleep and depression. I have cried every day for at least 2 weeks.

Has anyone else tried natural remedies with any success?

Thanks,
Cheryl

skeye
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   Posted 3/21/2011 11:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Blossom,

I haven't been on HW much lately, so I don't know what your diagnosis is, but I can say that I am pretty familiar with Wobenzyme, as my mother and grandmother have been taking it for years & the swear by it. They both have arthritic joints & other musculoskeletal issues, and had decreased energy levels.

I've tried taking it myself for chronic pain (at that time for chronic shoulder pain after several injuries and surgeries), but I found that I could not handle taking 50 or so pills a day and doing so on an empty stomach. Wobenzyme also aids in digestion & helps clean out your digestive tract (it is a digestive enzyme), so you can sometimes get some diarrhea, especially if you are taking high doses.

In Europe Wobenzyme is heavily used as both an aspirin of sorts, and for aiding in digestion & regulation of the digestive tract.

I'd certainly try the Wobenzyme. You don't have anything to lose & potentially a lot to gain. Hope this helps!

Skeye

Rhaevin
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   Posted 3/22/2011 12:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Cheryl, about the only thing I have tried is Valerian Root with Camomille to help me sleep when I'm really restless. Doesn't do much for my pain, but it does help me fall asleep, provided I don't take it to many nights in a row. Some times when I'm sick I'll pull out my herbal book and brew myself a special tea, but ever since I moved to the high desert finding a good, local source for fresh and dried herbs has become a major problem so that's not something I do much anymore.
 
The big thing I keep hearing people tell me about is Anti-Oxidants and how supposedly I'm not getting enough of them. One gal went so far as to tell me if I took more I'd "clean out" my system and my pain would go away. For starters I already take a hair/skin/nail supliment that also has anti-oxidants, and all that's really for is combating the damaging effects of the heat and wind on my hair and skin, as well as helping combat one of the side effects of my condition.

JCG32
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   Posted 3/22/2011 4:45 AM (GMT -6)   
This just my experience and everyone has to do what they feel is best for them. So I don't want you to think I am telling you what to do. I have seen a holistic doctor and also am under the care of a psychiatrist. For myself I think a combo approach is the best. For example I do take supplements and have done things like biofeedback but also am on meds for anxiety and depression. For the first  would say 1.5 years of my physical health condition I did not want to go to a psych or be on mental meds. I thought if you fixed my pain I would be fine mentally. Unfortunatly that was not happening so finally after a huge push I went back to the psych and started meds which have changed through the past 2 years to find the right combo. I wish I would of done it sooner. Trust me I still have my depression,anxiety so on but it has helped me be more rational and cope overall better with the pain. As my pain doctor says one can't be in pain for so long and it not impact you mentally. I do feel things like self help tools,biofeedback,healthier diet rich in omegas,have also aided. I hope you find what works for you.

Miss Blossom
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   Posted 3/22/2011 5:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Everyone,

I see the psychiatrist this morning. I am going to present him with the suggestions from the nautropath and see if there is not some way to combine the 2 theories. I hate to admit it, but $$$ will likely be the deciding factor. Although a naturopath is covered by my benefits, nothing she prescribes will be. I looked into Wobenzme and it is $90 a month. Probotiotics are $45 a month and I haven't figured out how much the 5-HTP is yet!

Skeye - my diagnosis is adhesive capsulitis (frozen shoulder) in both shoulders. It is an auto-immune issue that focuses on the shoulder capsule. Apparently the disorder has a natural history of 2-3 years. My left shoulder started freezing in May 2010 and was completely frozen in December and my right shoulder is in the freezing phase now. I definitely have at least 2 years more of chronic pain and immobility ahead of me.

Cheryl

Alcie
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   Posted 3/22/2011 7:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Good Morning CPers -

I've seen various naturopathic "docs," a couple of chiros, and MDs in a whole bunch of different specialties for all sorts of stomach issues, headache and sinus problems, etc. ad nauseum. I only trust a few of the MDs - my opinion, not meaning to disrespect or contradict anyone with other experiences! I find researching my own conditions by reading research papers is the best way to figure out how I should be treated - after consulting "experts."

Some prescription meds are cheaper than over the counter. I always read ingredients, active and "inactive." For stomach maldigestion problems my experience is that OTC probiotics is not highly useful. I take a cheap capsule occasionally to keep my GI doc happy. Activia yogurt helps motility which is compromised by my pain meds. I stopped my gas with cheap generic Rx Pancrelipase 5000 ($17 for 3 month Rx) which is 3 digestive enzymes for carbohydrates, protein and fats. I avoid bread and wheat products, and use Citrucel tabs without sugar but NOT other fiber supplements which are all digested by gut bacteria to make gas. (Wobenzym is just bromelain and papain which are available OTC.)
Alcie
 
 

Rhaevin
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   Posted 3/22/2011 8:28 AM (GMT -6)   
Miss B, depending on what they want you to take (you mentioned Probiotics) and how much instead of the Health Food/Suppliment stores that can be a bit on the pricey side, why not try one of the local pharmacy's or even the WalMart in the suppliments aisle. Also certain foods are sometimes boosted with extra things, like Activia. Also I know on days when I want to boost certain things, like say anti-oxidants, I'll have a handful of dried blueberries. Not only am I getting a little extra I'm having a healthy snack.
 
Like JCG said, it's alot of really watching what we eat, what it's got in it, and how much.

Chartreux
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   Posted 3/22/2011 10:02 AM (GMT -6)   
I would recommend you go to your PCP (Primary care physician) first to see if he/she can make any
recommendations, then have your bloodwork checked, low B levels can cause problems and low
vitamin D can also lead to increased pain, then working with your doctor go from there..
I hope this helps...Also read back threw older postings, there have been some postings in the depression
Forum on Natural remedies...
Tart cherry juice can help with pain, but drinking too much can cause diarreahea..
good luck to you and I hope you can find something that can help. Also make sure to check with
your pcp as some natural things can have interactions with medicines your taking, always good
to check these things with a doctors........
Healing hugz and well wishes...
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spinal soldier
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   Posted 3/22/2011 12:18 PM (GMT -6)   
God bless you Cheryl, i have been there and it sucks. i am hurting pretty bad and i want to type a longer reply so give me a bit. real qiuck; things like the amino acid; GABA(gama-aminobutyric acid) can calm you and help nervousness, 5-HTP is great i have seen tons of studies with it and the only thing i don't know for sure is if you can use it alongside with a Rx anti-depressant, L-tyrosine or acetyl-L-tyrosine can directly help pain reduction, the amino acid(the last was an amino also) DL-phenylalnine inhibits an enzyme that breaks down your own bodies or perscription opiates(endorphines, enkaphlins) and also has the action of raising levels of norepinephrine and dopamine which also helps the whole picture. i'm coming back in a few.

Miss Blossom
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   Posted 3/22/2011 4:08 PM (GMT -6)   
So after digesting the information from my morning session with the psychiatrist, I am going to try 5-htp for a week before considering an anti-depressant. His experience was that 5-HPT can be quite effective for depression and sleep. Based on the research I read today, it won't hurt the 40 lbs I have gained in the past year either! I can't start the 5-htp until i consult with my diabetic nurse and she is on holidays until tomorrow. I need to confirm that it won't effect blood sugar or if it does I need to know how to adjust my insulin pump. 5-HTP is also quite affordable - less than $20 per month.

Any anti-depressant I consider will require a change in pain meds. I have another appointment with the Psychiatrist next week to review the 5-htp and I have made an appointment with the sports medicine doc in 2 weeks. I am doing my research and I am going to be much more assertive with her about my pain relief needs.

I have been taking the samples of Wobenzyme from the naturopath and so far its not touching the pain. I have been continuing with tylenol 1s as needed. Based on what I read online it can take some time before you feel relief.

Thanks for all of your suggestions and support!

spinal soldier
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   Posted 3/22/2011 7:25 PM (GMT -6)   
watch out for junk supplement companies. Jarrow labs, and New Chapter are great but more expensive. the VITAMINSHOPPE has a online store that has terrific sales and a store brand that is high quality and affordable. 5-HTP will raise your seratonin levels with the addition of something like L-tyrosine or L-phenylalnine will bump up norepinephirine, that just like Pristiq!
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JCG32
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   Posted 3/23/2011 4:57 AM (GMT -6)   
You know I was just thinking of this thread because I remember years ago when I was not having luck with anti depressents my psychiatrist suggested I take fish oil supplements. I do that anyway and flaxseed but thought I would suggest it to you too. Of course make sure you are ok to with your docs
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