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luckyflowers
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   Posted 6/5/2011 1:03 PM (GMT -6)   

I swear my issues have issues...so I'm taking the Nortriptyline 10mg at bedtime. Last night I was up to 20mg...and Oxy 20mg...I was so loopy an hour or so after taking my meds couldn't hardly keep my eyes open, but still would only sleep for a half hour here and there...finally didn't fall asleep till 4am! Then I slept till noon today! Of course had my youngest been home that would have never happened. But REALLY what the heck????

 

I can't for the life of me figure this out...will I ever sleep like a normal person?  

 

 


Dx: Herniated disk in my neck C6-C7, Degenerative disc disease and arthritis in my neck, sciatica, RLS, migraines and post-op RNY gastric by pass

Meds: Oxy, percocet, norco, xanax, sinement, topamax, imitrex, and paxil

Personal: Single mom 43yrs old to three children- two girls 5 and 13 and my son 16yrs old. I work fulltime.

Blessedx8
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   Posted 6/5/2011 1:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Lucky....
 
I have major insomnia issues, too - so I'm the wrong person to ask.  tongue I can take meds that would knock 5 grown men out - and still be up. 
 
I would just keep at the med and see what happens.  What time are you taking it?  Maybe that needs adjusting, just a thought. 
 
Have you tried other things to help w/ sleep - eliminating caffeine; taking a warm bath/shower; darken your room; etc?  If you search "insomnia" on our board here... we've talked about this before - there might be some other ideas that I just can't think of right now. 
 
For me, I can usually doze off and get to sleep... but I have trouble staying asleep.  Are you waking from pain, or you just wake/can't sleep?  I wake a lot from my pain issues. 
 
Also - narcotics CAN have the opposite affect on some people - and make one not be able to sleep.  The higher my morphine dose, the less I can sleep.  As my dose came down, my sleep issues got better.  I've heard others express the same thing....
 
Hang in there.  Maybe others will have some other ideas... --Tina
 
 
 
 

luckyflowers
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   Posted 6/5/2011 2:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Tina, your always so helpful, thank you! Its so nice just to hear what others go through...I agree to sometimes I think it is my meds. I will look around as you suggested. Yes, sometimes it is the pain that wakes me and other times who knows I just wake up...I am usually not one to go to bed early as I am a bit of a night owl. I also like to make sure that my daughter is asleep before I take my bedtime meds, its just my weird thing I prefer to do. I guess its just a comfort thing for me. I get nervous to think she would be awake and then I'm ready to "pass out"...so I seem to take them around 10p


I am also a coffee drinker (I know I'll get "yelled" at for that) and drink it 24/7...trust me my mother alone gives me the 3rd degree on this one. We can argue for hours, she says it keeps me up and I say it doesn't..:)
Dx: Herniated disk in my neck C6-C7, Degenerative disc disease and arthritis in my neck, sciatica, RLS, migraines and post-op RNY gastric by pass

Meds: Oxy, Nortriptyline, percocet, norco, xanax(as needed), sinement, topamax, imitrex, and paxil

Personal: Single mom 43yrs old to three children- two girls 5 and 13 and my son 16yrs old. I work fulltime.

Snowbunny21
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   Posted 6/5/2011 5:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Lucky...

Ok..here's your friend talking again:)..

But I truly think you aren't getting the results you want since the medicine he prescribes for you is not sleep medicine...

Pain meds actually can make people tired in one way..but wired in the other...and of course...the coffee...this is an obvious one that you will have to decide what is more important..the coffee or sleep...

I love my one cup of coffee in the am...but nothing after 10am...

And in the afternoon if you need a pick me up...Green Tea is perfect! It has a small amount of caffeine..but gives a natural energy boost...

Nortriptyline is not a sleep medicine...it is an antidpressant...so it's not going to help you have a good night's sleep...even if there is some fatigue in the beginning as a 'side effect'...it will go away soon...it's a medicine for depression...

And I know we are beating a dead horse here...but taking all your pain meds at night...then only a half a percocet or so in the day...

As SE mentioned on another thread...Your body is then going through withdrawals all day from the Oxycontin and other medicine...so this causes insomnia...

You aren't getting either the pain relief you could be getting all day/night by taking the medicine the correct way...but your body is going through this medicaton roller coaster every day...

So...I'm sorry to say but you aren't going to get the sleep you need by doing things this way...

I actually take Ambien to help sleep...But I would absolutely never take this if I took all my meds just at night...I take my evening dose of meds at 5pm...and the Ambien at 9pm....but I also take my pain meds in the AM as well...

There is also melatonin or sleepy time tea...natural things you can take as well..

But an antidressant like your taking ...along with the pain meds...aren't meant to be used for sleep as they don't have those properties...

I know a lot of us keep saying that you should really try to speak with your Dr. and try a few weeks of consistently taking your medicine on the correct schedule....then see if you need a sleep medicine added into the mix..

I can say since I took Oxycontin for years...and now take OxyIR....the little bit of fatigue you may have felt the one time you tried in the AM...that goes away pretty soon..

And since it's the exact same medicine as the Percocet...you shouldn't have any negative side effects from it as you tolerate this and the Oxy at night...

I really do feel for you...I would be lost without my getting a decent night's sleep...it's essential for your body...along with getting pain relief on a regular basis...

We just want the best for you Lucky!! I am sending you big hugs ((()))

luckyflowers
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   Posted 6/5/2011 7:14 PM (GMT -6)   
SB..I know and hear you loud and clear. I think what everyone is not understanding is that I didn't like the way the Oxy made me feel during the day and at night I really don't know since I am either asleep or half awake and it really doesn't matter at that point and time like it does during the day, if that make sense.

I know that doc put me on the Nortriptyline for the depression, but also mentioned the added benefit that the medicine has. He said that it can also help with sleep and pain. So for me that was just a hopeful thought....

I also know that you and others say that the Oxy and percocet is the "same" but the Oxy is stronger. And on the whole I was trying not to take anything during the day as any of it made me feel "weird" but the pain just became too much...and again, this was my doing not my Dr's...he wanted me to have 24/7 pain control.

I had also mention on another thread about taking ambien, so I am not sure if you had seen that??



Hope your weekend went well..and thanks once again for everything :)
Dx: Herniated disk in my neck C6-C7, Degenerative disc disease and arthritis in my neck, sciatica, RLS, migraines and post-op RNY gastric by pass

Meds: Oxy, Nortriptyline, percocet, norco, xanax(as needed), sinement, topamax, imitrex, and paxil

Personal: Single mom 43yrs old to three children- two girls 5 and 13 and my son 16yrs old. I work fulltime.

Snowbunny21
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   Posted 6/5/2011 7:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for more info Lucky:)...


Just wanted to say that if you were to only take the 10mg Oxycontin during the day...That it only gives you 5mg during the first 45 minutes and spreads out the next hours...and then it gives the other 5mg at the 6 hour mark...

So it's not all at once so it's not any stronger than a 5mg Percocet...In actuality..the Percocet would be stronger because all of it is released and gone through your system with 4-6 hours maximum..

I think SE and I were thinking that that 'weird' feeling would go away after a few weeks as some medicine take time to adjust...

So we didn't know if you had given the Oxycontin a fair shot of a few weeks...

And sorry...I didn't see about the Ambien...I was speaking for myself...have you tried Lunesta or other sleep medicine? Or melatonin?

We are all just brainstorming and trying to help:)
SB and "the pup who snores loudly" 
 
ACDF C5-C7, (no hardware), with autograft bone Nov. 2001
(reabsorption of bone 2 years later...still lost in body..expect to burp it out at anytime..haha")) 
ACDF with hardware, allograft bone Nov. 2005 
Anterior and Posterior CDF, allograft bone with BMP, removal of old hardware, use of titanium plates, rods, screws, & kitchen sink (lol) Oct 2006
 
 

luckyflowers
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   Posted 6/5/2011 7:43 PM (GMT -6)   
SB...I know your just trying to help and PLEASE don't take anything I say the wrong way...I'll take anything I can get from everyone...I understand what your saying and I will be the first to say that I didn't give the Oxy during the day a chance...Doc even said it could take a while to work but that one time I guess just freaked me out enough that I kind of said forget it...and what your saying about the strength with the percocet I get it now...I am a blonde so sometimes it takes me a bit longer hahaha..

Maybe I just need to suck it up and give the oxy a real try during the day for the benefit of my pain.


The ambien deal was that I used to take it when I was married, and it worked but I guess I did strange things in my sleep from time to time. So now being divorced and no adult in the house I don't want to take it with just me and the kids...
Dx: Herniated disk in my neck C6-C7, Degenerative disc disease and arthritis in my neck, sciatica, RLS, migraines and post-op RNY gastric by pass

Meds: Oxy, Nortriptyline, percocet, norco, xanax(as needed), sinement, topamax, imitrex, and paxil

Personal: Single mom 43yrs old to three children- two girls 5 and 13 and my son 16yrs old. I work fulltime.

Blessedx8
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   Posted 6/5/2011 10:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Lucky...
 
I get what you are saying about the meds and all.  I'd say, though, to maybe give the oxy another try and see if you can go a week or two on it.  Usually, most side effects WILL resolve. 
 
I wrote on the other thread about having the same experience w/ Ambien (getting up and doing weird things in your sleep).  Just FYI - that there is a whole group of sleep meds out there that are in the same group, called "hypnotics", which would include Ambien, Lunesta, Sonata and so forth.  That being said, there are other mild sleep meds out there. 
 
Let us know if you decide to give the daytime meds a try... and how it goes.  Take good care... --Tina
 
Pain Issues: DDD; fibromyalgia; migraines; carpal tunnel syndrome; tendonitis
Multiple other health issues....
Meds: Too many to list....
Personal: Mom to six boys and twin girls

luckyflowers
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   Posted 6/5/2011 11:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Tina,
I was happy to see that you added your info at the bottom :) and I am going to look into other sleep meds. I did use Trazadone years ago but it didn't help with my migraines...

And the more I have been thinking about it, I think you all have "talked" me into giving the daytime Oxy a real try...I'll let ya know...

Have a good night
Dx: Herniated disk in my neck C6-C7, Degenerative disc disease and arthritis in my neck, sciatica, RLS, migraines and post-op RNY gastric by pass

Meds: Oxy, Nortriptyline, percocet, norco, xanax(as needed), sinement, topamax, imitrex, and paxil

Personal: Single mom 43yrs old to three children- two girls 5 and 13 and my son 16yrs old. I work fulltime.

Snowbunny21
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   Posted 6/6/2011 6:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey Lucky...Am hoping you got some sleep last night..

Wanted to reiterate that you should speak with your Dr. first to let him know if you are choosing to do the Oxycontin in the AM again so he is aware...even though we have talked about it on here...and I'm thinking that was his original prescription to you to take am/pm....but I just want him to be aware if you are making any changes...as we said...we want you to be safe:)

Sending hugs (( ))
SB and "the pup who snores loudly" 
 
ACDF C5-C7, (no hardware), with autograft bone Nov. 2001
(reabsorption of bone 2 years later...still lost in body..expect to burp it out at anytime..haha")) 
ACDF with hardware, allograft bone Nov. 2005 
Anterior and Posterior CDF, allograft bone with BMP, removal of old hardware, use of titanium plates, rods, screws, & kitchen sink (lol) Oct 2006
 
 

luckyflowers
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   Posted 6/6/2011 8:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Good thinking SB...I just called Dr office...had to leave a VM....I'm sure it is ok but your right and I also wanted to make sure he still then wants me taking 20mg of the Oxy at night.
 
Thanks so much, I'm glad one of us is thinking :-)
 
 
 
Dx: Herniated disk in my neck C6-C7, Degenerative disc disease and arthritis in my neck, sciatica, RLS, migraines and post-op RNY gastric by pass

Meds: Oxy, Nortriptyline, percocet, norco, xanax(as needed), sinement, topamax, imitrex, and paxil

Personal: Single mom 43yrs old to three children- two girls 5 and 13 and my son 16yrs old. I work fulltime.
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