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mtgman
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   Posted 8/28/2011 12:13 AM (GMT -6)   
what does it feel like physically if you have become dependant on your meds and you don't get enough?
I have been strtching out my doses and taking less because i had a really rough few weeks and took more than my dose- i know i know- bad, but i didn't have a choice i was in so much pain and on top of it i got a kidney stone while i was out of town on business!  so i had crohn's pain that was worse than normal plus a stone!  i was miserable.
 
now i have to conserve bc i'm going to run out of my oxycodone...physically i'm feeling "weird"...my body aches and feels like i have to strtch my arms and legs, i have a constant headache -- i alomost feel like i have the flu- seems like the best way to describe it...

_Christina
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   Posted 8/28/2011 1:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Yup, sounds ike it.
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   Posted 8/28/2011 2:52 AM (GMT -6)   
Thats a very good way to describe withdrawals. This past winter my PM dr could not get to town and open her office and I have a pain pump. We went over my refill date and I started feeling like I was getting he flu. My eyes were watering and itchy too. What happened is since the pump was running low its settings changed and I was getting much less than my usual dose.

I don't know about you, but kidneys stones are something else. I ever get another one like the last time, I am off to ER.
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Serenitee
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   Posted 8/28/2011 4:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Mtgman,

Yep, sounds like withdrawals. Withdrawals can come in so many forms in your body. I am a recovering addict & alcoholic & I know withdrawals all to well. Sounds like you have a good plan though to try & take less & stretch it out to last longer so you don't run out. I would count what you have left & count how many days you need to go before you can refill them. Then use only the amount alotted for each day. Drink plenty of water :)

Hang in there & will be in my thoughts. Sending Smiles your way.
Your Healingwell Friend,
Serenitee

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   Posted 8/28/2011 7:05 AM (GMT -6)   
hi mtgman
I would have to agree with everyone else that flu like symptoms is about the best way to describe it. It seems most of us have experienced it for one reason or another. On a positive note, man did it feel good to get back on track again and the pain meds seemed to work much better for the first little while.  Hang in there and just think of how good it will feel to get back on track. I have since tried to conserve whenever  possible for just such emergencies. Hope it all works for you. Take care.
 
                                                    .Stingray

NiNi53
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   Posted 8/28/2011 10:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes, I totally agree, its those awful withdrawal blues, please make sure you keep enough and not run out completely because if you think you feel bad now, you aint seen nothin yet, as the saying goes.
 
So for now, take it easy, I found spearmint does well for that feeling like vomiting, if you happen to have a store around, actually I think I have seen this in CVS, valarian root tea might help, keep the spearmint close by, the tea is nasty tasting, it also comes in capsule form, but still spearmint or peppermint is good to have around.
 
But really try to make sure you dont run out completely.
 
Ok, good luck to you, hope you feel better soon,
 
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mtgman
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   Posted 8/28/2011 12:19 PM (GMT -6)   
thanks all.  i figured that's what it was.  looks like i'm in for a fun week.

grandmaroses
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   Posted 8/28/2011 10:50 PM (GMT -6)   
I went through some withdrawal when my doctor went on holidays and I ran out of oxy. I found keeping hydrated really helped me, sorry you are having to deal with this.
Take care
Rose



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mtgman
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   Posted 8/29/2011 12:13 AM (GMT -6)   
thanks Rose- I will definitely try.
37 year old male living in AZ. Diagnosed with Crohns at age of 15.
Currently on 20 mg prednisone. still taking Asacol. Done with Remicade- antibody level was over 8! Waiting for scope results to see about Humira or Cimzia.
In the middle of a bad flare now for 2 years...it's been one heck of a ride!

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   Posted 8/29/2011 9:55 AM (GMT -6)   

 

         Morning mtgman!

               Hope your getting through this as best you can. I'm not sure I have ever suffered the full blown symptoms of withdrawal, but yes!....I have had some of the symptoms, such as tearing eyes, yawning, feeling very draggy, and at times like I want to jump out of my skin. (mild symptoms)

      One thing I do, is to cheat my med's in my favor, and save up as many as I can. I can only do this with the BT med's, and I actually feel like I'm using the BT med's for their intended purpose. (BT) I may have to suffer a little more on those days, but it sure comes in handy on days such as you describe.

      Are you on the Oxycodone by itself?....or a mix of other pain relievers? I'm guessing that the oxycodone is the IR type? One thing I really feel strongly on, is that if a patients pain is diagnosed as long term, then they should really consider long term type med's... Oxycodone ER (Oxycontin),.... and leave the Oxycodone, Percocet, for BT, and this is important...use only as needed for BT.

       I myself did more suffering because I was scripted Oxycontin every 12hrs....and the downward cycle was tough for me to say the least, and I was using the BT med's just to make it from cycle to cycle.

          My Dr finally decided to script  the Oxycontin every 8hrs, and WOW!...did that ever make a huge difference for me. My quality of life changed almost instantly.

     There has been quite a bit of discussion about the use of BT med's here on the forum. One thing I have noticed is that many seem to use them on a regular scheduled bases, and I'm not sure that is really the right way to use them. I think the problem is, if they are not being scripted correctly with the ER med's, then they don't feel they have much of a choice at this point.

       If one were to have a bad cycle, and they are already using the BT med's on a regular schedule in combination with the ER med's, then what do they turn to during these bad cycles? The obovious answer is they take extra amounts of their BT med's, leaving them short,....because they are in need of them for their regular daily dose to treat the pain.

         This has been a long learning process for me, and finally one of the moderators got it through my thick pea brain head... of the intended use for BT med's.

       Sorry this turned into a little...mindful reflelection of my own thoughts. Just hoping this will spark some discussion on this subject, because I do believe that many are not being scripted correctly for their conditions.

     One more little thought....and is more or less a warning.....it is not!.... in my opinion!,....especially with a long term pain diagnoses....the goal to be 100% pain free with the use of pain med's. I'm sure this will be cause for some debate, but this is just my opinion, and my personal preferance. It is a fact that I will always suffer pain in my life....and I may need the room to have the dosage increased, and I really don't want to be out of touch with the rest of my body...and other things that may warrant a closer look if there is a problem.

      Hope your having a better day mtgman....and Thanks!... for posting.

        This forum is about support, and we certianly hope you feel we are doing our best to do so.

       Take care,

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   Posted 8/29/2011 10:55 AM (GMT -6)   
 
       ........one more comment smilewinkgrin
 
             It seems to me that Chronic Pain is "cyclical" by nature...thus we see different pain scales during the day, week, and or months, and into seasons of the year...and at times weather may affect it.
 
      My pain scale can change just by sitting as apposed to standing and or laying down. This is why it may be difficult to get a base line for a correct pain scale diagnoses, and or it may take weeks, or even months to get the correct script in place.
 
       During these difficult times of hightened pain above an beyond the normal baseline...is when the BT med's come in handy. However, like I said if you do not have a good baseline set, then a person may find themselves using the BT med's for a combined supplement to the baseline on a regular bases.
 
    Thoughts and discussion welcomed
 
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   Posted 8/29/2011 12:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Every PM dr I have seen have all said once you are a CP patient, always keep in mind a couple of things as you travel the lonely road of CP;

1. Learn to recognize your normal pain baseline, once that is established then you know when to take your BT meds. BT meds are not intended to be taken every day on a schedule with your normal pain meds. If you do take them every day on a regular schedule then your body becomes accustomed to the extra medication and you are defeating your purpose.

2. Accept that even with medication you will still have pain but it should be pain that is tolerable.
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