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LetsDoThis!!!
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   Posted 11/30/2011 10:47 AM (GMT -6)   
hi everyone,
a brief history of my background: i am 38 years old and have had back surgery in 2000. Everything was good until 2002 when i started having back issues again. A new MRI showed a lot of scar tissue wrapped around my siatic nerve, L5 which was fused, L4 now bulged with Microscopic tears in it (whatever that means), and some wear on the disk above.  They said that i have Degenerative disk disease, just like my father who has had 6 back surgeries. Well I started back with injections, and pain meds like Lortab 10 and Percosets. I was like others beginning to take too many and running out, constantly looking for more until my new script.  I never went to different Doctors or anything like that seeking the pills. I eventually had a Rhizotomy that did great for a year, then the pain came back so I had it redone and has been great going on two years.  But my doctor who often told me that i was on mild pain medication and could get anything i wanted really but i didn't. I didn't becasue my wife is a nurse and her mom has been in rehab, and was totally against pain meds.  i had to always hide them from her. Well my doctor told me about patients who were taking Suboxone, and it really controlled their pain. So i have been on it for 1.5 years.  Really has been awesome, i am pain free living a great life. Well my insurance will no longer cover Suboxone so i started reading up on it to see how to stop and now i am scared because of all the horror stories.  I called my doctor yesterday for a way out, and he called me in Butan Patches.  I still have like 30 of the 8mg Suboxone films, and my question is, do i just stop the Suboxone and put the patch on?  I cannot suffer from W/D because my wife will know because she knows the symptoms.  I don't know what to do now!!!! Please give me some advice. thanks,
Have a Great Day

straydog
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   Posted 11/30/2011 12:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi LetsDoThis, please, please get on the phone with either your dr or your pharmacist and ask this question of them. You probably would do better to speak with the nurse at the drs office and explain that you forgot to ask the dr about this. Either of these two can give you the correct info you need about making the switch over.

Please do get back with us and let us know what you were able to find out. I am so sorry to hear that you have had to make the switch especially since it has helped control your pain so well, that just stinks. I do hope the Butran will give you good relief.

I do hope that you will decide to come back and hang out with us. We have a very good group of people here that understand all about how CP affects our lives.

Take care.
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LetsDoThis!!!
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   Posted 11/30/2011 1:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I sat on the phone with my doctor and asked him about this, and he said that he thinks it will be ok. I don't know anything about the Butran patch. Honestly I don't much about any of these drugs. I have been suffering for years and not taking any strong medication just to not get hooked and addicted, now i feel i was put on Suboxone without enough info and now i am worse off.  I have so much responsibility and bills that i cannot miss one day of work. This has me so stressed out, i can't be sick with W/D's.  My pharmacy will not call me back, and i was lucky to be able to get my doctor on the phone.  I just need someone to tell me if i should stay on the Sub. and taper down slowely, or jump to the patches and do it for a month, then take the patch off and hopefully be ok. I only have them 30 films of Sub. left. I don't want to start using the patches then be back on them trying to wean off again. This is just so weird to me and i have nobody to talk to about it.  My wife will divorse me if she found out that i have been on Sub. for over a year behind her back.

straydog
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   Posted 11/30/2011 1:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Was this your PCP or a pain mgt dr that prescribed the Sub? What about calling a different pharmacy and speaking with the pharmacist? You may try to find a conversion table online to see if you can find the info you need. Maybe do a google search for one. I just don't think using both at the same time is a good idea at all.

I am so sorry you are going thru this mess. But CP patients rarely ever become addicted to their pain medication, all the studies that have been done has proven this. Addiction comes into play from people that are using medication as a recreational drug and not what they are intended for. I would think with your wife being a nurse she should know this. Its so unfair that you have had to hide the fact that you need medication for a real condition. Its no different if you were a diabetic and needed insulin. I will stop here as this is a very sensitive subject with me, but your wife is in dire need of being educated about CP and medications used to treat it. Its the under educated people out there that need help.
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   Posted 11/30/2011 1:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry i might have misinformed you, I know not to take the two together, i am asking about one or the other. if i stop with the Sub and start the patch will i still have withdrawals? And then if i am not on the Patch long maybe i can get off.  When i was taking the Lortabs and pecocet i was taking about 8 a day, so when i stopped taking them i felt like crap, sweat, chills, legs cramping, and my wife knew what was going on, so i had to tell her that i have been taking pain pills behind her back.  that was 2 years ago, and now if i yawn, she thinks i am on something. I am trying to find out which way would be the easiest to get off of all this medication for good.  I will take tylenol or whatever i just am tired of these things controlling my life. when i get close to running out i start panicking.  A lot of this is in my mind, like yesterday i wanted to take half of the 8mg film, so i ripped it in half, i couldn't stand it knowing that it was there so i had to take the other half. Its just rediculous. i am so scared to get sick from W/D's that if i think about it i will start sweating and get sick.  I am just in a BAd place in my life right now. It bothers me everyday, i just want to be normal.

LetsDoThis!!!
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   Posted 11/30/2011 1:31 PM (GMT -6)   
i have a daughter who loves to deer hunt, and hunting is my passion, this year i don't have a place, so i am stressed about that, now this insurance not covering my Sub. i feel like i am going to lose my mind.

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   Posted 11/30/2011 2:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I really think you should talk to your wife, it's best when you
can talk about this and have an open ended marriage...
and She might be of help, don't just expect her to be all mad, she might at first, but
if you can muster the courage to talk to her maybe she won't get so mad, but
give her a chance, plus she might be able to better help you cope...
I'm kinda mad at my hubby cause he's getting some vitamins and won't tell me what for
and I know something is up...he just needs to tell me...We've been married 25 yrs this year...
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LetsDoThis!!!
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   Posted 11/30/2011 3:02 PM (GMT -6)   
we are coming up on 20 years, and she is going through something in her life where she is not trusting me, she thinks i am having affairs. she has never been like this, she is a christian girl who loves the Lord and has so much faith and trust.  Her and her mom have been arguing and not talking anymore, her sister just moved to tennessee. So i think if i add anything more it may push her over. Other than this we are honest and openended. If she don't trust me know and i tell her this, I may never earn her trust back.  We are sleeping in seperate rooms becasue she feels insecure about her body, therefore making love is out of the Question.  Sorry to tell you all this, its just a bad time to unload more on her.

Chartreux
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   Posted 11/30/2011 8:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Maybe try Marriage counseling, and then telling her this there....Marriage
counseling would benefit you both and since she is having trust issues seems like the
perfect time...or you could try seeking out help with a counselor on your
own, but does seem like something, I get help with a pain management psychologists
and he is experienced with Chronic pain himself, as he had shoulder surgery...
Just tossing out some ideas for you...Or you could both seek out help thru her church pastor...
Many well wishes and Hope this info helps...
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sos007
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   Posted 11/30/2011 8:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you Straydog.....I am so tired of people acting like we are drug addicts just because we need medication. My doctor said exactly what you did if we were diabetics no one would say we are addicts. I work in the health field it is really surprising people who should no better...don't.


All the best, Amy




chronic pain(nerve), fibro and mild depression
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