UPDATE: Ambien to Melotonin Transition

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Retired Mom
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   Posted 2/16/2012 8:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello all!
 
As promised, I'm giving my update on my transition to melotonin from ambien.  I'm down to 5 mg per night now (from 20 mg for years).  I have upped the Melotonin to 6 mg from the 3 mg to help with the transition.  Dropping to the lower dose this week was noticable for the first night (for sure) but since no problem after the first night! 
 
I'm soooo happy with the change!  I hope to be completely done after this week and away from that script completely.  I have a ton on hand from when I was taking the 15 (and they were giving me 20 mg per night).  It was they way my Psych wanted me to fill it, so I would never have a time when I ran out. He's a wonderful guy! Now I have too many left over and HOPE I will be able to just let them run out of date and dispose of them.  We shall see, but it's looking like it might be a really good change.
 
On another positive side, I was listening to DR radio on sattelite radio today and a caller asked one of the psych's about melotonin.  He said it was perfectly safe and that it was actually good for the brain, causing relaxation and obvious benefits to the user.  He did say that they had done brain scans on the users of all kinds of meds and gave some good and bad reports.  I don't want to fully quote here, since it would not be eithical, but some of the meds I take were there and WOW was I surprised about what he had to say.  One in particular was the xanax I take.  He said it made the brain look just like an alcoholic's brain.  That one freaked me out!! 
 
I don't know his name, but it was on about 8:15 AM EST on DR Radio....XM Radio.  If anyone is interested, perhaps there is a way to do an internet search.  I believe the Dr's are with NY University, but I'm not certain. 
 
Have a great week everyone!  I'll keep you updated on the change again when I get off of them completely (to see if I can do it)!  I hope to be there by next week.
 
 

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Retired Mom
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   Posted 2/18/2012 7:08 AM (GMT -6)   
Ok, next update as promised. I'm still taking the 6mg melotonin and 5mg ambien (from 20mg)...but I actually slept through the night last night. It's the first time I have done that in YEARS (except when I was really sick or something).

I am going to sleep with absolutely NO problems and sleeping well. I am feeling more rested than before...though I do still feel sleepy during the days a lot (probably because of my meds). I'm excited about going off of the ambien next week and will post an update when that happens. Hopefully I won't be having any withdrawals since I reduced the dose the way I did and came off slowly.

All my best!
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   Posted 2/18/2012 5:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, Retired Mom,
Just wanted to say hello! I've not been following your transition, but I'm for anything that makes you feel better!

I wondered if you had ever tried using a guided imagery CD to help with sleep. Although I still take meds to help me sleep, I also use guided imagery by Belleruth Naparstek, LISW. Her website is healthjourneys.com. The imagery I use is for Healthful Sleep. Just a thought if you're so inclined. You can also go to her site and listen for free to brief excerpts from her imagery, which has been used in hospitals and research for a number of years now.

Take care!
PaLady
BTW I'm going to post a link to Part 2 of that series of articles soon.

NiNi53
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   Posted 2/18/2012 5:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi PAlady, my sister turned me on to guided imagery years ago, and its the best thing ever, I take no meds at all to sleep with, and even though sometimes, in times of great stress, I have trouble, 9 out of 10 times the CD works, its great.
 
Thanks, I had forgotten to ever mention that CD, and its better than any medicine I have ever taken.
 
Kathy
degenerative disc disease, fibromyalgia, osteoarthritis, neuropathy, lumbar laminectomy july 1998 no help, rechargeable neurostimulator unit low right back w/lead wires to left side and right leg unit not working just sitting there.i am 57 years young in may will turn 58. i have 2 grown daughters, 25 and 29. i have 2 grandchildren, 9 year old grandaughter and 5 yr. old grandson

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   Posted 2/18/2012 7:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi PaLady....thanks for the mention of the CD and for the hello. It's been a long time since we talked. Thanks to you too Kathy. This is very good information for those who can benefit from it. I used this type of program for quite a while (way back when the best you could get was a cassette tape) and, although it did help some, I didn't get the result I was looking for. I was able to relax on some nights, but honestly spent more and more time trying to get to sleep and less time resting. Now, I don't have the problem of my mind racing from one subject to another like I did because the Melotonin (and the ambien before) make me drop off to sleep.

The ambien would some times, but not others. It was the times that it did not work that was the most serious because that is when I wall calling people and saying strange things or when I was bidding on some insane item on an online auctin program.

I'm kind of wondering if this will "retrain" my body to sleep on its own since I am wanting to drop off to sleep right now and I haven't had any meds to lead to it. I wonder if it would last if I climbed into the bed and got ready for sleep. That, however, is a separate issue (and one I am not trying to combat right now). For now, I'm going to stick with what is working and try to get off of this ambien for good.

Good luck all!!
Failed TLIF L5-S1, Miltiple Bulges/Herniations, Scoliosis, Pituatary Disorder, Fibro, Failed Bladder Surgery, Failed Nissen, GERD, OCPD, GAD, MDD, CFS, TMJ, Migraines, HBP, Idiopatic Reactive Hypoglycemia w/Diabetic reaction to HGH, Bi-lateral CTS (now trigger finger), Edema, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Peripheral Neuropathy, Plantar Fascitis, Tibular Tendonitis, Adult Onset Flat Feet, & Vision Issues

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   Posted 2/18/2012 11:17 PM (GMT -6)   
RetiredMom - I've been following this thread and I'm so glad it seems to be working for you! I successfully used Melatonin for several years before I switched to Trazodone during a particularly difficult period in my life. I'd like to make the switch back some day, and it's nice to be reminded that Melatonin really does work! Even for those of us with serious sleep problems who have tried EVERYTHING.

I hope it keeps working for you and you are able to get off the Ambien. If you haven't had problems going down in dose, I think you probably won't have problems with any withdrawal when you stop, especially since you tapered slowly. Good luck!
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   Posted 2/19/2012 4:01 AM (GMT -6)   
shakehead  My first night of complete failure with sleep!!!  I've been up since about 1:30 AM!  I finally gave up all premise of sleep and decided to log on.  I don't think this is a sleep med issue, but rather a change in sleep patterns.  Not to provide too much info, but my husband and I have slept apart for about 2 years...basically a year after my back surgery.  I gave up because we both snore (ugh) and I like the room cool with a fan running and he likes it warm with no moving air.  Also, it felt like he was punching me in the back when he would turn over (despite our king sized bed).  So, we have major issues with our house right now and he "tried" to sleep in the guest room with me shakehead .
 
Nobody has slept well in my house tonight (except perhaps my daughter).  Her room...and the guest room are fine for now, but will be in chaos with this issue...and it begins on Monday!  I had forgotten how bad it feels not to be able to sleep at all!  I even tried the bed in the apartment (attached) and gave up on that one within about 10 minutes.  It's insane!  So now I'm in my recliner with the heating blanket on my sore back and the ceiling fan on high, listening to the rain.
 
Oh well, we'll try again tomorrow.  One night is NOT going to make me give up!

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   Posted 2/19/2012 12:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Retired Mom

I`m sorry you had a bad night last night. It makes you really drained. I also had a night like that on Friday as the pain was through the roof and I couldn`t drift off, I was exhausted afterwards. I finally drifted off to sleep around 7 AM, I was lucky it was a weekend. I also take melotonin and it did not help that night. Occasionally I find melotonin doesn`t work, usually when the pain is bad or something is on my mind. But just want to say don`t give up on it as it works most of the time and gives you a restful sleep. I don`t know about Ambien but would it be possible to take it only on nights like last night when you can`t sleep? I guess it is a stronger medication and probably doesn`t work like that. Anyway I wish you all the best with getting off Ambien and hope the melotonin helps. Take care. Love Di xx

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   Posted 2/21/2012 3:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Another night of horrible sleep.  Up at 12:30, then at 2:00-------and not back to sleep yet.  I gave up after the 2:00 waking.  I'm still not ready to call it quits with the transition, because I overdid it yesterday trying to take down some wallpaper border (yes, I know it is way out of date), but then again I didn't want to take it down.  I was "forced" to yesterday because of the damage to my house.  I also didn't have any help yesterday and man am I suffering today. 
 
Luckily my daugter came home about the time I was completely giving up (3:00PM) and swept most of the mess up for me.  I couldn't have done it myself.  For some reason, I can do things over my head much better than anything that requires sweeping or leaning in any way.  That is out completely!
 
I found tons of cracks under the border and imagine this is going to be a much bigger project than I was hoping for.  I'm also hoping this sleep issue is due to the stress of the renovations and the fact that I overdid it so much yesterday.  I am supposed to have help today in cleaning out my daughter's clothes that no longer fit....so I can give them away.  I hope I can make it through this week, but I don't know.  It's really hard with no sleep....I can promise you that!

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   Posted 2/21/2012 9:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Sorry you had a bad night:(...

I just saw a commercial for an all natural supplement called Alteril....It has Melatonin, Valerian root, L-Tryptophan...and a few other natural herbs...

Looks like it's sold everywhere like at Target and Walmart...

Of course it's always best to check with the Pharmacist and show them this and ask if it would interact with anything...

But...I didn't know if you were only taking Melatonin....that from what I am reading...the combination of that and Valerian root are good together...

Anyway...was just thinking of ways that you could try the different natural things to see what works best...

It's so hard to find that happy medium where you are active enough to where your body will naturally want to be tired and sleep overnight, and then overdoing it and hurting so badly that you toss and turn....

And uggg...I can totally empathize with taking off wallpaper!...not a fun job!

We are all rooting for you...and maybe tonight will be better...Hope you aren't too sore today...

Sending some hugs..(( ))
SB and "the pup who snores loudly" 
 
ACDF C5-C7, (no hardware), with autograft bone Nov. 2001
(reabsorption of bone 2 years later...still lost in body..expect to burp it out at anytime..haha")) 
ACDF with hardware, allograft bone Nov. 2005 
Anterior and Posterior CDF, allograft bone with BMP, removal of old hardware, use of titanium plates, rods, screws, & kitchen sink (lol) Oct 2006
 
 

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   Posted 2/22/2012 8:55 AM (GMT -6)   
Sleep at last!!!! I finally made it through one night of wonderful sleep. I'm so happy I didn't give up. Only one more day of Ambien left (and now I feel like I might be able to make it).

I have to admit that I was a bit disgusted when the phone rang at 5:30 AM for a wrong number, but that was soooo much better than the last few nights that I won't complain too much :)

Have a wondeful day everyone!
Failed TLIF L5-S1, Miltiple Bulges/Herniations, Scoliosis, Pituatary Disorder, Fibro, Failed Bladder Surgery, Failed Nissen, GERD, OCPD, GAD, MDD, CFS, TMJ, Migraines, HBP, Idiopatic Reactive Hypoglycemia w/Diabetic reaction to HGH, Bi-lateral CTS (now trigger finger), Edema, Tarsal Tunnel Syndrome, Peripheral Neuropathy, Plantar Fascitis, Tibular Tendonitis, Adult Onset Flat Feet, & Vision Issues
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