TV special on CNBC tonight at 10pm EST

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Snowbunny21
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   Posted 3/8/2012 8:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey everyone,
 
There is a CNBC special tonight at 10pm EST called "Pill Poppers"...It's new so I can't say for sure, but the promos look like they are focusing on the issues with prescription drugs and the unfortunate side of things.
 
The reason I think these type of shows are important to watch, is so that we can stay aware of what the media is portraying out there.
 
Also, I think a great reason to watch is so that we can understand better what our Dr.s and Pharmacists have to go through in trying to weed out those who truly need prescriptions. As well as what the states and DEA are battling out there.
 
The dark side of chronic pain is knowing that there are many out there who try to scam Dr.s to get meds as well as those who are just out to buy, sell, and abuse...This obviously makes things harder for us real pain patients.
 
If you can't watch it tonight..there is another showing at 1am EST to dvr...
 
We can follow up on this thread tomorrow to discuss what we think...
 
Have a good night peeps:)

Blessedx8
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   Posted 3/8/2012 10:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks, SnowBunny....

Yes, I like to watch these shows too - for the exact reasons you were saying. I will go DVR it right now... and watch it sometime tonight... like when I wake up @ 2am and can't sleep, lol.

Talk to you more tomorrow about all this! --Tina
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Snowbunny21
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   Posted 3/9/2012 1:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow....that was a fascinating program!

It focused mainly on prescriptions in general and their role in society. It was a BBC production.

They started out showing the amazing technology in the GSK laboratories and the billions of combinations of ingredients to make medicines.

They went through medications like Ritalin...Showing a child who was diagnosed at 5 with ADHD, and now at 10, still taking it daily to help calm him and keep him focused. But then showed the other side at Cambridge and the use by many just to be more focused on school work and tests when they don't have any diagnosis to be needing this med.

Then about Viagra...how it was developed to open up blood vessels in the heart and then had the "unexpected" side effect to help men to enjoy sex! (Keeping it PG here...lol)

But how it is the most prescribed medicine in the WORLD!! And how it really should only be prescribed for those that have chronic ED issues....but how even Pfizer thinks it should be used even if a man has an issue once in awhile.

They did show a story about Codeine because in the UK, it is over the counter (I think in Canada too...but not in the US)....and how one woman was "addicted" to them and they ruined her life...She is trying to wean down but still at taking 10-20 pills of this a day...

So once again...they only share on small story about a pain medicine being used in the wrong way...I wish it would always be balanced...But thankfully it wasn't the focus on the entire tv show.

They also discussed antidepressants and how it went from only using these in extreme cases of depression to being overused and prescribed for even the most simple things that may be sad in our life...like the loss of a pet...that is more "situational" depression that will pass and doesn't need medication most times...

That many antidepressants had been pulled from the market due to having a huge rise in harming one's self. That it's really about working with a therapist and your Dr. to make sure you really need this medicine and monitor for how long.

Then they ended with antibiotics and how most everyone will be on them an average of 60 times within our lifetime. That because we are prescribed them so often, they can cause us to be more resistant to other antibiotics and more susceptible to viruses...

Overall, it really was an interesting program about medicine in general and really weighing the pros/cons of all the side effects, the longevity of needing them, and that only time will tell all the benefits or the detriments to medications using them long term..

NiNi53
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   Posted 3/9/2012 7:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi all, I missed the show, but Snow, you bring up a good subject, we, the people who truly suffer from cp need to show our faces and be heard, I have contacted the Dr. Phil show, and although I dont even particularly care for him, I have already written to every politician in my State, which is Maryland, I have heard back from many of them, but sadly they are generic responses, as in "sorry to hear you are having so much trouble, if we can help in any way, just write again".  Well of course I have and will continue to until I get a response that lets me know if anyone of them really care, which is a shot in the dark.
 
But I am thinking, somewhere, someone, a relative of there's, a neighbor, etc. someone that they actually know is suffering from cp.  Not that I wish this on anyone, but because they are politics, are very wary about putting themselves out there for all to see and hear.  I am just praying one of them has the guts to step up and give us the help we need.  Because they are in politics, I have no real hope of that happening, as they are focused on lying to the public in general and unwilling to come forward.  That being said, I wont stop, I still have not gotten to the newspapers, as they are the media, and not so interested in something that is not sensational, but again, at some point I am going to probably going to have to, and of course mention this to the politicians that I have contacted.  I have gone from local county council persons to the Governor of MD.
newspapers seem to make them respond a little more, but I dont want to make it sound like the threat that it is.  I am tired of having to justify why I take the meds I take, one walk in any of our shoes would change that, but as I said I wish that on no one.
 
Sometimes we have to do what we have to do.  By the way, I never mention HW, or anyone but myself by name, so please no one worry, I can begin this battle alone, but I know some of you will have my back if needed.  We just cant live in fear anymore, its time it stops.
 
Take care all,
Kathy
degenerative disc disease, fibromyalgia, osteoarthritis, neuropathy, lumbar laminectomy july 1998 no help, rechargeable neurostimulator unit low right back w/lead wires to left side and right leg unit not working just sitting there.i am 57 years young in may will turn 58. i have 2 grown daughters, 25 and 29. i have 2 grandchildren, 9 year old grandaughter and 5 yr. old grandson

Snowbunny21
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   Posted 3/9/2012 8:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for your thoughts Kathy...

I am wondering if I am allowed to list a foundation....a .org site (not mine of course...just one that I think is great) that harnesses all the things that you are speaking of and has lobbyists in DC and many states to help those in pain.

Not that I and others aren't very thankful for all you have done and always encourage people to speak up...I just believe there are things that can happen with numbers...I also live right outside of DC and have some contacts there too...

This site sends out monthly emails (all free of course) that are so helpful about managing pain, upcoming events to speak to people, and all things chronic pain management..I thought I've seen in mentioned one time here...

So...if a Mod could let me know if I can list this site as there is no affiliation or anything that I think is against the rules..

Thanks:)
SB and "the pup who snores loudly" 
 
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Blessedx8
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   Posted 3/10/2012 4:25 AM (GMT -6)   
SB,

I only had a chance to watch the first little bit of the program (I taped the rest) - but you did an excellent write-up on it!

Re: posting the link... I can never get that "forum rule" right, lol. So, I'll ask those that know more than me :) I know we can post links to helpful websites - as long as it's not anything the member is "promoting". But since this is a link to an "advocacy" type group (right?) - I'm not sure.... but I'll find out.

I do agree with the "power in numbers" thing, for sure!

--Tina
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Snowbunny21
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   Posted 3/10/2012 10:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for checking Tina...

I think it's one of the largest pain foundations out there....but it's nice to have members knowing about it to see what's going on in their area and around the country..
SB and "the pup who snores loudly" 
 
ACDF C5-C7, (no hardware), with autograft bone Nov. 2001
(reabsorption of bone 2 years later...still lost in body..expect to burp it out at anytime..haha")) 
ACDF with hardware, allograft bone Nov. 2005 
Anterior and Posterior CDF, allograft bone with BMP, removal of old hardware, use of titanium plates, rods, screws, & kitchen sink (lol) Oct 2006
 
 

purplefrenzy
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   Posted 3/10/2012 2:10 PM (GMT -6)   
I missed the show also I just checked and it is airing again on Sunday at 10pm on CNBC for anyone that missed it...

Paula

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grainofsalt
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   Posted 3/10/2012 6:21 PM (GMT -6)   
I have such mixed feelings about watching shows like that. I know narcotics can be addictive. They should ALWAYS be treated with respect, no matter how weak or strong they are. I will agree that illegal pill popping is an epidemic and its a serious issue. However, on the other side of the coin are people in pain who can't even get prescribed proper levels of pain management because their state has created laws that treat CP victims as if they are going to have a good chance of falling down the same road.

There's only one problem with this theory. CP patients take only what's prescribed and only take breakthrough doses when needed. Pill poppers simply take outrageous amounts of whatever they can get their hands on often with no legit reason. Sometimes they actually do have a legit reason (under treated pain) which is IMHO a third often un-addressed area.
 
Lastly, media will SPIN things to their favor. Its their "version" of the story. If they are anti narcotic, they will emphasize its illegal use. If they are reduced regulations, they will minimize the focus on illegal use.  Just something to keep in mind......THE SPIN turn
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Snowbunny21
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   Posted 3/10/2012 6:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Grainofsalt...

That is what I "thought" the show was going to be but if you read my longer above post, it is more about prescription medications of all kinds and the pluses and minuses....

So...even though it had the one story about the woman who is "addicted" to codeine, it was due to it being over the counter in England.

As I wrote on my first post, I actually do like to watch any show I can about prescriptions in general and pain medicine in specific. I think it's very important we know what is being said "out there"..

I have before mentioned that I am friends with my PM Dr. outside our appts. and he talks about how hard it is for PM's, other Drs. state and federal agencies to want to stamp out the bad...The actual addicts and people who take advantage. As for my Dr. the more that is done to regulate, the more time he can spend with legitimate patients.

I,for one, have no issue with the urine test, pill count, and in our state the Prescription Monitoring Program as it doesn't effect me in a negative way.

I wish we all lived in a world with everyone being honest....but the unfortunate side of things are that prescription drug overdoses are on the rise.

One of the other shows I watched that was on CNBC was a series called Drugs Inc.....and one of the hour shows was focusing on prescription abuse. They showed how the DEA has to sit outside of these bogus Drs. offices (this one in Florida) and you can see all the cars pulling up filled to every seat...no one actually injured or in pain....and they go in to the fake "pain clinic" and the Dr. takes two minutes to just shuffle them in...ask what they want to buy, and walk out with bottles and bottles...

They also showed how easy it is to go across the border to Mexico and walk in to places undercover and ask for Oxycontin...and they say, "ohh...we don't have that here"....but then after they look you over to see if you are not a cop...than they make a call and say.."sure...we can get you a prescription written by our Dr., just pay him, and then you can pay for any medicines you want"....It was about $30 per pill!

Again...all of us that are actual chronic pain patients that follow every rule, do everything the right way, just as the numbers of great Drs. out there that just want to help their patients.....we all have to fight against stopping the abuse and making it so easy to get these meds...That's why I said if it makes it a bit more of a nuisance for me...no biggie....

It is a catch 22 that is for sure.
SB and "the pup who snores loudly" 
 
ACDF C5-C7, (no hardware), with autograft bone Nov. 2001
(reabsorption of bone 2 years later...still lost in body..expect to burp it out at anytime..haha")) 
ACDF with hardware, allograft bone Nov. 2005 
Anterior and Posterior CDF, allograft bone with BMP, removal of old hardware, use of titanium plates, rods, screws, & kitchen sink (lol) Oct 2006
 
 

Blessedx8
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   Posted 3/11/2012 12:49 AM (GMT -6)   
SnowBunny,

If you get a chance, will you e-mail me and I can ask you a question about the link you want to post?

Thank you!

Tina
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straydog
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   Posted 3/11/2012 1:11 AM (GMT -6)   
I use to watch all of these specials too and just became disgusted with the whole mess because it usually ended up being about the abusers. Very little time was given the true CP patients and how most of them as a rule take their medication usage seriously. The same goes with what we see in the newspapers.

Until they get a handle on the abuse and that is is going to be a tough cookie to nail, little notoriety will ever be given to legit people. I seriously doubt they will ever get a handle on it because there is always going to be a way to make the a drug of some sort illegally.

I am riding on the fence with Grainofsalt on this one, lol.
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