Treatment by others since taking pain med's

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dreams2
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   Posted 4/14/2012 9:35 AM (GMT -6)   
 
  
 I started taking pain med's after years of suffering and they gave back my life but now I see a huge difference in they way people see me and how I'm treated even by a pain managements doctors staff members. I really feel I'm being seen as an addict.My experiences with the medical world have been really horrible.
Have others had similar experiences?

cogito
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   Posted 4/14/2012 10:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Dreams2,

Welcome to he board.

I am fortunate that my friends and family don't react this way, and even my boss and co-workers show me a lot of respect. However, some staff at my PM's office do have a bad attitude.

I'm 44 and I look closer to 30. I look fit and healthy. So, from appearances, it doesn't look like I need pain meds. From the former intake nurse, I got a bad vibe and eventually she was replaced. The new nurse at first didn't seem biased, but now her tone has changed. Last visit for example, she said in a tone that seemed sarcastic: "so, what's hurting this time". But that was an inane comment as my medical issues haven't changed since I started with the PM.

I got the same attitude from my last GP, so I switched to another. I had my 3rd visit with my new GP two days ago and he was great --- a 15 minute appointment became 30 as we discussed possible procedures, he told me stories related to pain management (the few he manages and their struggles), etc..

If you're dealing with the attitude from PM staff, you could gently tell the doctor you feel uncomfortable. I can imagine that PM staff get cynical and burned out. Also, who knows whether your PM is a good boss. Maybe the staff's bad attitude is directed to all the patients. But still, you maybe could indicate that you feel looked down upon by friend and family and when you visit, you need some support.

For friends and family, you might want to confront them about it. In addition to your pain issues, you can discuss the data having to do with addiction as well as the cognitive effects -- such as after years of taking opioids, their euphoric effect is no longer there -- but the pain benefit is. I have an x-ray image of my spine on my cell phone and here and there I've shown it to co-workers. Once they see it, they get that I must be in a lot of pain. If you have something similar, that could make the case for you.

Sorry for what you're going through -- but you'll find people here who understand.
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sjkly
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   Posted 4/14/2012 10:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Most people don't know I take pain meds-and of course I don't take as much as many people on this board-because I am hyper sensitve to most things.
When I asked my GP about pain management she immediately wrote a script and left a message in my file so I can call in anytime to have them prepare a new script.
Neither my GP or my Rhuemy have ever treated me poorly for taking pain meds.

mattolsen
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   Posted 4/14/2012 12:47 PM (GMT -6)   
I completely understand. I have some bad dental stuff going on right now and found out I have an autoimmune condition. Both of which cause horrible pain some days. My tooth is cracked, pulp exposed, wisdom tooth is dangerously close to the nerve in my jaw, and still when I asked the dentist for something for the pain he looked at me like I was a criminal. Then prescribed 7.5/750mg norco's even after I told him I already take 20mg/650 for my autoimmune thing and don't like to take much tylenol after it screwed my stomach up years ago.

My problem, even though I understand it's doctors job to make sure not to give drug addicts drugs, is that some doctors seem to worry more about that than treating legitimate people in pain. I feel like if it's between the worse of two evils, I'd rather give the addict drugs than let someone suffer, as addicts will always find a way. But that's just me. Hang in there, and if you're legitimately in pain then keep telling yourself it's not wrong to ask for anything. You deserve to lead a normal life and it's their job to try and ensure the quality of your life. I felt bad for a long time asking for anything, and I lost almost a year of my life in bed and in pain most of the time.

straydog
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   Posted 4/14/2012 4:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Dreams and welcome to the chronic pain forum. I really do not have much to add as Cogito did a really great job of covering things. If you really like your dr then, as Cogito sais, very gently tell your dr how the staff makes you feel and if they make sarcastic remarks bring that to his attention, he needs to be told.

When you see a dr you are paying them to work for you, you are hiring them. If needed, find another dr. as you do not have to put up with being treated rudely by any drs office.

Another thing is the fewer people that know you must take medication the better. Its not something I am hiding, it simply is no ones business but mine. Only my immediate family has any idea that I take meds and have a pain pump.

Take care and keep us posted on how you are doing.....Susie
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Post Edited (straydog) : 4/16/2012 1:53:08 PM (GMT-6)


Jim1969
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   Posted 4/14/2012 9:16 PM (GMT -6)   
Fortunately my experience with most doctors and nurses have been at least neutral but I have run into a few who were obviously negative and disagreed with me taking narcotics long term and/or looked at me as if I was just looking for my next fix.

There have been a few times that I have confronted these people or reported them to their supervisor, but I generally just try to ignore it. Before I do decide to "mix it up" with them though I have to make sure that I am doing so because of something real and not because of something I am imaging because of any "guilt" or worry I feel for being on these meds in the first place.
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Chartreux
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   Posted 4/15/2012 12:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with Straydog on this, if your being given rude treatment at your doctor's office do consider changing doctor's.
as for friends I don't tell them what I'm on and we talk about other things than cp as I'd rather enjoy my time with
them. Most family members don't understand chronic pain because it's not something that can be seen so much,
and it can be hard for anyone who's not been thru it to understand, standing joke is we can't choose our family
but we can choose our friends...Never feel guilty that you need pain medicines as that can have a backlash of problems
that you just don't need...and don't let anyone make you feel guilty...or you could explain things like this" image you broke a
leg, but it did not heal properly, or got botched up...that's kinda how my pain feels" then maybe they'd understand better...
or have them hold an ice cube, and then when it starts to hurt that they have to continue to hold that ice cube, as
that's how your pain is like everyday, unrelenting....
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Medicalkid2
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   Posted 4/15/2012 9:03 PM (GMT -6)   
My PM docs office doesn't respond within 72 hours and their entire staff treats me like an addict despite the utmost honesty and offerings to do whatever they want to monitor me...its incredibly frustrating. They gave me too much Percocet once and I told them this and gladly waited longer for a refill. I just don't get how honesty like that can be overlooked. The PM practice I go to does drug tests and I asked why my physician never wanted to test me... Its frustrating because I know if I walked around with a cane, was in a wheel chair, or had cancer they would have no reservations. My uncle is a physician and he said for me to email him and I asked about how to reason with doctors, what to say, etc. so I'm hoping to get some advice from a doctor I know personally and one that isn't involved in any prescribing and what not for some hopefully "neutral advice".
C6 Herniation/Buldge (my docs debate), gen. nerve pain, ankylosing spondylitis, Crohns disease, Anxiety, Aspergers, and Mild Insomnia.
-Adderall 10mg am, Oxycodone 5-7.5mg 3-4x day,Lyrica 50mg 3x day, Klonopin 1mg night, Zoloft 200mg night. It could be worse :)

rjbeck
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   Posted 4/17/2012 4:52 AM (GMT -6)   
In my experience you will always find that person in the medical field that will always look at you as a lower life form because you are taking some type of pain med.. Thats the person you have ton stay away from. I have run into this problem at my present PM office,I've been going there since they opened 3 1/2yr's ago. I went to the PM office 2 days early for my medication update and the PA that I have been seeing since the beginning was out sick and I had to see another PA, Fresh out of school and he knew everything known to man about medicine turn The first thing he said is that I was abusing my meds and then gave me the side effects that can happen because I had taken more than prescribed. I did so because my hip or femoral head had collapsed and the pain was a 10+ ,This didn't matter to him. he told me about my contract I had with them and how I broke the contract. Iwent directly to the Head MD and told him what happened and he took care of what was going on and they put a memo in my chart that I am not to see this PA again..It's a tough situation to have chronic pain you will always find that 1 person thats going to look at you and have there mind made up that you are a terrible person for using narcotics.. I have this experience thru 15+yr's of hospital working experience and 6yr's of being a disabled chronic pain pt with 25+ hospital stays since 2005...Good luck and feel better..RB

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Medicalkid2
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   Posted 4/17/2012 6:57 PM (GMT -6)   
rjbeck said...
In my experience you will always find that person in the medical field that will always look at you as a lower life form because you are taking some type of pain med.. Thats the person you have ton stay away from. I have run into this problem at my present PM office,I've been going there since they opened 3 1/2yr's ago. I went to the PM office 2 days early for my medication update and the PA that I have been seeing since the beginning was out sick and I had to see another PA, Fresh out of school and he knew everything known to man about medicine [img]/community/emoticons/turn.gif[/img] The first thing he said is that I was abusing my meds and then gave me the side effects that can happen because I had taken more than prescribed. I did so because my hip or femoral head had collapsed and the pain was a 10+ ,This didn't matter to him. he told me about my contract I had with them and how I broke the contract. Iwent directly to the Head MD and told him what happened and he took care of what was going on and they put a memo in my chart that I am not to see this PA again..It's a tough situation to have chronic pain you will always find that 1 person thats going to look at you and have there mind made up that you are a terrible person for using narcotics.. I have this experience thru 15+yr's of hospital working experience and 6yr's of being a disabled chronic pain pt with 25+ hospital stays since 2005...Good luck and feel better..RB


I hate 99% of PA's with the exception of a few. As it is doctors don't know everything and then you get a PA half doctor who knows even less! Yeah comprehensive care my rear end :D :D I got a lecture today because my PM doc thinks I'm an "addicts" I told her I would rather be dead than take the the pills "as needed 4x a day" because my pain is 24/7... can't escape it. She promptly gave me an injection, switched me to a long acting narcotic and talk with me for an hour or so. I asked her nurse how many patients she sees and the nurse said about 33 patients a day at minimum, I can't help but think that doctors look at us as the same person after 20 or so patients complaining of pain with questionable intentions....its like a worn out teacher grading tests...after a while everyone seams to get the same treatment be it good or bad. Anyways I'm brutally honest with everyone, always have been and I told my doc if she ever has a problem with me to tell me and asked why I've never had the "mandatory drug tests", I literally said "what can I do to reassure you that I'm not some addict?", It seams that everyone thinks Opioids=No self control addiction....

Ryobi
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   Posted 4/18/2012 9:58 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with everyone!!! Time for a new doctor! I will say there is one nurse at my doctors office she is the one who makes you sign the pain managment contract, etc that irritates me, but my doctor is amazing and has never made me feel bad. Nor has my family or friends. Also everyone is right once you have taken them for so long we can only hope that they can help us with pain, we never get good feelings from them.
I just got switced last week from percocet to the Butran patch and it has been amazing! I feel slightly loopy the first two hours I put the new patch on but by morning I am back to functioning and normal! One patch a week its great!
I hope you get to feeling better and stop beating yourself up for treating your pain! wink

Draka
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   Posted 4/19/2012 8:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Cognito... we sound exactly alike.... I too am 44 and physically fit...

I've had the same reactions also.... just recently the Dr. doing my epidural/facet injections said to me.... that I looked nothing like he expected.... as he saw all my images before actually meeting me in person...

And it stinks because if I don't say I am hurting all the time then people just don't think you are hurting...

I actually got suspended from my tennis team because I threw a fit about being placed in a high position on my team even though I told my coaches all year that I needed to play in a lower position.... I just 11 days earlier had two epidural injections in my neck and they knew that too..... so frustrating.

I try to post things on my FB page just so friends and family know what I am going through and dealing with.... I feel like I always have to prove my condition... but, that lead to one of my very good friends telling me I was looking for attention....

My new PM Dr gave me the exact same prescription as last month (90 pills) even though I told her that this month I was having 4 more epidural/facet injections in my mid-back, followed by a C&D and then again, major cervical spine surgery where I will have another 3 joints fused.... I don't get it... this was the first time I ever, ever asked for more pills to cover those procedures... I explain that what I have now barely covers my pain now without all that other stuff coming up in the next three weeks....

I called her and asked her why? She said call her after my major surgery and see her again.... I explained that my insurance will want to wait a full 30 days for a refill of narcs but it didn't matter... all I can do is cry with frustration....
I couldn't move after 4 weeks from my last surgery... I actually told her the pain was so brutal last time that I wanted to kill myself.... how else can I get someone to understand or listen?!?!? I know that more appointment for the Dr's = more money and that's all they care about these days
Posterior cervicothoracic decompression and instrumented fusion (three levels) for spondylosis and stenosis with severe radiculopathy.. surgery performed 3/31/11

Post Edited (Draka) : 4/19/2012 7:28:01 PM (GMT-6)


Lindaloo
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   Posted 4/22/2012 7:38 AM (GMT -6)   
I certainly understand what everyone means about the PA's.  My last PA in the pain Dr.s office was tolerable.  His name was Jerry and he was very nice, at least.  But this new one, whew!  He can't find his elbow in an elbow pile.  Everything I ask him, he says, well let me ask the DR.  Then, after I ask about three or four things, you know he is going to forget something and he does.
 
I told the Dr., no more PA.  He doesn't know what he is doing.  She said, OK.  I've been going to her for almost ten years now, so she said  that I could stay on her schedule.  But she remarked,  "I'd rather have him ask questions than not ask."  I said, sure, but when does he graduate from your apron strings? He has been here a year!  It's annoying.
 
I have one of my friends for a long time treat me as though I take "too many pain pills".  She is a Dr. Oz watcher and is always reporting back to me the ills of narcotics.  It doesn't matter how I try to explain to her, she just doesn't get it.  I know how you all feel when some people look at you funny.  It's not a nice feeling, for sure.  Maybe that's why she has distanced herself from me in the last year or so.  Just thought of that.  Hmmmm,  Oh well, I have my friends here and they all understand what I am going through with my fibro and bad back.
 
God bless you all.
 
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