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   Posted 5/7/2012 5:04 PM (GMT -6)   
I am posting this for Chartreux as she posted it in depression and I think her hand hurts to type...
So, got to my appointment early, had nothing to eat after 11 p.m last night
and only 1 tsp of water with a pill this morning, at 4a.m. So my appointment
time was for 9 a.m and well I was there at 8:40 a.m...finally got called back at 10 a.m
And waited another 25 minutes and finally the come over to start an IV, first two tries the
vein blows, third time missed again, so then another person is called to help
She finds the veins but they all blew 3 times, so then the doctor comes in
and he wants to try a vein that I know will blow and not work, as this vein has blown
Out 5 times before, but he had to try it and sure enough it did blow out again(6 times now)
finally on the nineth stab on my thumb a vein is found, all this took an addition 40 minutes
running the doc behind, so he ended up just doig two bilateral ijection and I got home around just 20 minutes after noon two band aides on my back and nine hand sticks
and some hand bruising, I' m finally resting on an ice pack..what a crazy morning...
and yes I drank plenty of water yesterday, it 's just that the Sjogren's syndrome cause
me to dry out so bad.. so I don't really hold it personally, even the best person
would have a hard time sticking me, plus on two of the sticks my veins moved on them...
I just hate that I made the doctor run late,sure wish I was easier to get my veins...
Someday something will go right...I need to rest now, y'all take care....
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   Posted 5/7/2012 5:24 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm so sorry for your experience today.  I understand being a "hard stick" and have had to have so many that I have just let the tears run while they continued to stick and stick.
I have had a couple of wonderful people give me some advice and IT WORKS for me and is amazing! one hospital...they give me a very tiny dose of lidocaine with a tiny needle just before they try to insert the big one for the procedure.  It somehow plumps up the area and gives me almost complete pain relief while they insert the line.  It's WONDERFUL if you can find someone willing to do it.  They simply inject the drop of lidocaine under the skin amost directly over the site they plan to use.  I think it helps them too because they have gotten me every time when they have used this procedure...otherwise...well that's a story closer to yours.
Second, there is a new ultrasound guided needle insertion procedure at one of our hospitals.  Very few of the nurses are certified to use the they don't tell you about it, but it's a standard ultrasound with the ability for the nurse to see exactly where and how deep the veins run.  I have had that a couple of times (and never had it charted because the nurses were not "certified").  I didn't care about the certification because it can't be too hard to use an untrasound machine and they got mine after four other people had tried too many times to mention. 
Lastly...try to get someone from pediatrics...preferably NICU to do the insertion, if possible.  They are some of the best I have ever seen.  They still don't always get it, but they have a better success rate than the others.
Again, I'm so sorry about the extra pain you had to endure just to get the IV started.  It makes my blood boil to see these anti-pain med advocates talking their heads off about how us CP patients just can't handle "normal" pain.....let them go in and be stuck so many times in a row without pain meds and see how much complaining they do then.  (Sorry about the soap box, but I always get some creep saying how they just couldn't imagine how I just lay there and let them stick me over and over.....that would be too much pain for them and yet we do it, over and over, while staying as still as possible and using other concentration techniques so that we can have greater painful procedures to follow, with the HOPE that relief will follow some time soon).
Rest well tonight my friend.

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   Posted 5/7/2012 6:24 PM (GMT -6)   
From my wife who is an RN student:

Make sure you are well hydrated before going in to have an IV or blood draw. This means at least 2 days before the procedure make sure to drink plenty of water. It is even more crucial if you are having a procedure where you are not suppose to eat or drink several hours before hand.
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   Posted 5/7/2012 7:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you, but I did drink plenty of water, drank more than 1/2 a gallon in under two hours last night
and drank more during the day yesterday...but the Sjogren's just dry's it out of me, I
even had 2 bags of saline in me from Thursday 3 May...and my eye doctor will atest to how bad my
eye's are scratched from the Sjogren's...
Thanks so very much, it was done in a clinic, today, and they did do the lidocaine for 5 of the 9 sticks
and they had found the veins but then they moved, so they had 2 tourniquet's on me and
held me down good and the veins still disappeared...but I knew the one would blow and
told him, but he had to try that one I did warn the doctor about as it is the 6th time it has blown on me...
But, in all the worse sticks I've ever had were done at U of M hospital in Michigan
years ago, the nurse bruised me up so bad, my left had was almost black and then she
finally called the anesthesiologists who got me on one try, and it's that vein that will blow always...

I know they mostly don't mean to have to do this, but the Sjogren's doesn't make it easy...
and I was able to get the injections done and I hope they'll help...

Thank you my friends...and I hope y'all get low pain days...

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   Posted 5/7/2012 7:50 PM (GMT -6)   
Dear Chart, so sorry for such an awful day. I bet you are exhausted tonight. You are quite the trooper. Hope you can relax tonight and take it easy for the next few days.


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   Posted 5/7/2012 8:40 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello Chartreux!

Oh!…I do sympathise with you! The nurses had a very tough time…getting one in me... prior to my back surgery two years ago. I can be very nerve racking!

I hope you get to feeling better very soon!

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   Posted 5/8/2012 12:15 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Chart, I can empathize with you and the nurses that were trying to make the stick, I know allot of the cancer patients I took care of, some were just impossible to start an IV on. I am just wondering how often do you have to have this done? If it is really often it it possible that a Central line might be in order? Also we use to heat up damp towels in the Microwave and then wrap a patients arm or hand with it, to get the veins to stand out more. I am sorry that you had to go through getting stuck so many times!
I hope your hand is feeling better, take care my friend!
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   Posted 5/8/2012 8:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Chart I'm sorry you had to have so many sticks. My right arm gives a hard time, so I usually stick my left arm up there. I sure hope the injections help you for all the pain you went thru to get the IV started. Take care and rest up.

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   Posted 5/10/2012 9:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Doing so so...will probably be brusied up for another week or does hurt to type, wish I could
help out more...the injections only helped so just made my back sore...but they had to be done
due to insurance proto call....well wishes...
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   Posted 5/10/2012 11:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Char hopefully as more times goes by the injections will give you more relief. Something I want to pass on about the bad veins that the nurses did to me before my Port was out in, was wrap arm in a warm damp compress. My veins blew or rolled and they usually had to get someone from oncology to come down and get a line going. This was when I was doing Remicade infusions every 4 weeks.

One thing about it at least we know the bruises and soreness will eventually go away but its never fun waiting for that to happen. Take care.....Susie
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   Posted 5/10/2012 2:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Ohhh....I really feel for those who have bad veins...

This is the one thing I've always been blessed with as I have the absolute perfect veins...LOL...Nurses will roll up my sleeve and go.."whewwwww....we love you!"....I actually tell them to get someone who is new and just learning so they can practice on me.

Anyway...that is a good idea about someone from Oncology....and the part about having some lidocaine beforehand...

I am also hoping that the injections will help some when it calms down a bit...

Thanks for updating us....
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   Posted 5/11/2012 5:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Chart, I'm so, so sorry. This is something I've been through all too many times as well. The warm compresses do seem to help a little.

I hope your back settles and the injections start to do some good *gentle hugs*

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