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bigecase
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   Posted 12/27/2017 8:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Sadly I had no change after the PRP injection. Still lots of shoulder pain. I am started therapy with a Chiropractor soon on my neck per directions of my dr. Ortho said that we will see how this goes before he decides on another shoulder surgery. Didn't want to hear those words again. Maybe the neck problem is causing some of the shoulder pain. I know that I have got to get some relief. I get up around 2:30 am nearly every morning for ice and tylenol. I have taken this too long and I know it is not good for me but it is the only relief I get.

I am real leery of chiro working on my neck but the dr sending me is one of the best so I trust his decision.

This is how well my hubby keeps up-- "is this the shoulder you had surgery on?" Well I have had 3 on the right and 2 on the left and you were present for all 5. This is the left we are dealing with now dear. Geez.
bigecase
Age 46

bulging disc C6, c7, L4 &L5, L5S1 Spinal Stenosis, degenerative disc, mild anterolisthesis FAILED back Surgery 11/29/12. Torn rotator cuff, torn bicep tendon, and spurs all in right shoulder--3 shoulder surgeries. ESOPHYX TIFF surgery. Hypothyrodism, anxiety, migraines, tmj,2 left shoulder surgeries
12/14, SCS implant

pitmom
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   Posted 12/27/2017 10:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry to hear you didn't get the result you hoped for.

I so hear you on the 'which shoulder' thing. I've had 2 on each, reinjured the right one, twice and am having major difficulty with the left one lately. There is no 'good shoulder' vs 'bad shoulder'. There is bad and worse and right now, they're both pretty 'bad'.

Hopefully, seeing the chiropractor will help you.

I don't get a full nights sleep at all anymore. Either I wake in excruciating pain from sleeping on either side or the same pain from sleeping on my back. I can't win. I also try not to nap as that is one of my depression symptoms and my dog intuitively knows it's not good for me so she won't leave me be!

Wish I had some piece of information that would solve at least one of your issues but hopefully, knowing you're not alone will be of some comfort.
multiple surgeries for rotator cuff both shoulders with residual chronic impingement syndrome, ulnar nerve transposition, carpal tunnel release, multiple wrist surgeries, multiple herniated discs, tarlov cysts, whiplash, bursitis of hips, grade 5 right shoulder separation and torn labrum, ovarian cysts, fibroid tumors of the uterus

bigecase
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   Posted 12/28/2017 6:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you. I jut try to stay positive that something will eventually work. No sleep laser night due to the doc doing all the pressing and resisting the pushing tests. Glad i am off this week.
bigecase
Age 46

bulging disc C6, c7, L4 &L5, L5S1 Spinal Stenosis, degenerative disc, mild anterolisthesis FAILED back Surgery 11/29/12. Torn rotator cuff, torn bicep tendon, and spurs all in right shoulder--3 shoulder surgeries. ESOPHYX TIFF surgery. Hypothyrodism, anxiety, migraines, tmj,2 left shoulder surgeries
12/14, SCS implant

straydog
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   Posted 12/28/2017 11:23 AM (GMT -6)   
Well. I sure hope something works!! If you are having issues with your neck, yes that can contribute to some of the shoulder pain. I have a pinched nerve in my neck & the shoulder pain far exceeds the neck pain. My dr added a low dose of Gabapentin to the mix a few months ago. It seemed to help a little, but its one of those deals that it flares right back up unexpectedly.

I hope you can get some relief.
Susie
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bigecase
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   Posted 12/28/2017 4:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I had Mri this time last year but it didn’t show anything other then bulging disc at c5; 6 and 7. Not really bad they say.
bigecase
Age 46

bulging disc C6, c7, L4 &L5, L5S1 Spinal Stenosis, degenerative disc, mild anterolisthesis FAILED back Surgery 11/29/12. Torn rotator cuff, torn bicep tendon, and spurs all in right shoulder--3 shoulder surgeries. ESOPHYX TIFF surgery. Hypothyrodism, anxiety, migraines, tmj,2 left shoulder surgeries
12/14, SCS implant

skeye
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   Posted 12/28/2017 8:35 PM (GMT -6)   
So sorry that the PRP did not work for you. Hopefully the chiropractor will be of some help, but please be careful. If it does not feel right, tell them to stop. Traditional chiropractic can be rough, and sometimes it causes more problems than it helps, particularly with the neck. I personally will only let osteopaths and axial orthogonal trained chiropractors touch my neck (both techniques are very gentle, yet effective). With a physical therapist as a mother, I've just heard too many horror stories about chiropractors and necks (plus the one time I did let a regular chiropractor adjust me it did not feel good at all -- very different than the AO chiro). I know your doctor recommended this guy, so hopefully he/she is good. But don't let them do anything you aren't comfortable with.

Skeye

bigecase
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   Posted 12/28/2017 8:51 PM (GMT -6)   
He is very well known in our area and the the doctor that recommended is at the neuro center which is about 100 miles away. I was surprised he even mentioned him by name. One plus is my husband's aunt is the assistant there and I will let her know what is going on.

I surely do not want a neck surgery anymore than I want another shoulder surgery.
bigecase
Age 46

bulging disc C6, c7, L4 &L5, L5S1 Spinal Stenosis, degenerative disc, mild anterolisthesis FAILED back Surgery 11/29/12. Torn rotator cuff, torn bicep tendon, and spurs all in right shoulder--3 shoulder surgeries. ESOPHYX TIFF surgery. Hypothyrodism, anxiety, migraines, tmj,2 left shoulder surgeries
12/14, SCS implant

(Seashell)
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   Posted 12/29/2017 10:56 AM (GMT -6)   
Bigcase:
While I can empathize your desperation for relief, I write this post urging the utmost of caution in allowing chiropractic handling of your cervical spine.

The delicate vertebral artery passes through the cervical foramena, leaving anyone who undergoes chiropractic handling at risk for a devastating vascular impingement, spasm, or stroke.

As a physical therapist, I worked with several individuals who had devastating strokes due to cervical mobilization and higher risk manipulation by well meaning chiropractors. The ages of the afflicted ranged from a new mother in her late 20s to a retired attorney in his early 60s. Each of their unfortunate outcomes remains imprinted on my memory.

Make no doubt. All it takes is a brief second for the vertebral artery to become momentarily kinked to
cause a life-changing cerebral vascular accident (stroke). Cervical mobilization can also cause the smooth muscle lining of the vertebral artery to spasm, causing an interruption in blood supply to the brain.

Under no circumstances would I ever personally agree to having a chiropractor mobilize my neck. I have seen the devastating results, up close and personal.

Take a moment to Google “strokes caused by interruption of the vertebral artery” and read about the etiology and sequelea. You can also be more focused and find clinical journals that discuss the correlation of chiropractic cervical handling and vertebral artery compromise.

A vertebral artery stroke would wisely affect the motor cortex, causing dense paralysis and/or central spasticity.

I do not know your age, but presume that you are in your mid-life years from reading of your posts. You age, alone, will leave you at higher risk for an adverse vascular event. Vascular tissue, like the rest of the body and it’s parts, becomes thinner and fragile with age.

I urge you to reconsider chiropractic handling of your neck and cervical spine.

It is one area of clinical practice that I hold very strong negative reservations and the highest of cautionary advice. I will never agree to chiropractic cervical care for myself or any member of my immediate family.
Karen
Pituitary failure, wide-spread endocrine dysfunction
Addison's disease
Mixed connective tissue disorder
Extensive intestinal perforation with sepsis, permanent ileostomy
Avascular necrosis of both hips and jaw
Receiving Palliative Care (care and comfort)

bigecase
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   Posted 12/29/2017 12:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Wow. I had no idea. I am very concerned to do this as i think it was the beginning of needing my first back surgery. Maybe not but i seemed to get worst after going. I would rather just go to my usually pt clinic. I am very comfortable there with all the pts. Will be calling next week to change the plan. Btw i am almost 50.
bigecase
Age 46

bulging disc C6, c7, L4 &L5, L5S1 Spinal Stenosis, degenerative disc, mild anterolisthesis FAILED back Surgery 11/29/12. Torn rotator cuff, torn bicep tendon, and spurs all in right shoulder--3 shoulder surgeries. ESOPHYX TIFF surgery. Hypothyrodism, anxiety, migraines, tmj,2 left shoulder surgeries
12/14, SCS implant

skeye
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   Posted 12/30/2017 2:13 AM (GMT -6)   
Bigecase,

The reasons Karen gave are exactly why I also cautioned you about having a regular chiropractor adjust your neck (though she did a much better job explaining it than I). My mom, who is also a PT, has also treated more than one patient who ended up partially or completely paralyzed (as quads) from chiropractic adjustments of the neck. And having shared that knowledge with me, that is also the reason why I will not let a regular chiro work on my neck.

I don't know if Karen has any knowledge or opinion about axial orthogonal chiropractic, as there are not too many of them around (at least not in the part of the country that I live), however, the technique they use is much more safe and gentle, and is highly effective. These chiropractors are specially trained and certified, and ONLY work on the neck, regardless of your primary problem, as they believe that everything is connected to the neck, & that restoring proper CSF and blood flow to the spinal cord and brain is crucial for the body to function and heal properly. The AO technique involves adjusting your atlas (the C1 vertebra) using a device that delivers a small amount of percussion to a specific spot on the vertebrae. All it feels like is a light tap, and I honestly never would have believed that it could make such a profound difference in a person's neck alignment if I hadn't seen my before and after xrays with my own eyes.

I've been seeing an AO chiropractor on and off for my neck for a couple years now, and my 91 yr old grandmother has been going regularly for at least 15 years, if not significantly longer. Knowing what I know, AO chiros are definitely the ONLY chiropractors who I will allow to touch my neck (the difference in the gentleness of the technique is so profound, that regular chiros now even make me nervous just working on my back). So if you are still going to consider chiropractic, I'd urge you to seek out one these guys. It is worth the distance you may have to travel to keep yourself safe.

Here is a link to the official atlas orthogonal website if you would like to learn more: www.atlasorthogonality.com/PatientSite/faq.html. They also have a "find a doctor" feature on their website.

And as I also mentioned above, seeing an osteopath for adjustments would be another alternative to consider. I have used them as well, and they are also very gentle and safe.

Skeye

Post Edited (skeye) : 12/30/2017 12:57:35 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 12/30/2017 7:31 PM (GMT -6)   
Bigcase:
In all fairness to Skeye and her anecdotal examples of safe osteopathic and AO chiropractic care of the uppermost cervical spine (odontoid, C1, C2), my cautionary advice remains.

The upper cervical spine, in particular, is an area of the body to be respected and regarded and protected. Any slight miscalculation by a clinician in treating the upper cervical articulations carries a risk of a grevious outcome. Respiratory failure, spastic quadriplegia, ventilator dependency, or death.

Osteopaths are fine for routine primary care and health monitoring and known musculoskeletal disorders. I would not recommend an osteopathic physician over your current orthopedic and neurosurgery MD specialists.

I cannot, in good conscience, give approval of an AO chiropractor. Despite Skeye’s positive experience. The risks of a grave and life-altering outcome is too great.

I have avascular necrosis of both hips and both sides of my jaw. I have had to accept that pain is inevitable. Pain is a constant, and unwanted, companion. The fentanyl patch affords me moderation of the pain to a tolerable level, overall. I will not agree to any additional surgery as I do not want to be rendered in a worseened state than I where I am now.

You have had 2-3 surgeries on each shoulder, respectfully. You need to consider the possibility that additional surgery may have a detrimental effect and leave you in more pain, simply due to the repeated trauma of surgery on the sensory nervous system. No surgery is benign. Not all surgeries have a positive net effect. Give careful thought before considering additional shoulder surgery.

Pain is a complex etiology in its own right. When my pain level is high, all I want - all I want - is a modicum
of relief. The pain, itself, becomes all consuming.

So I can identify with your plea for easing of your long-standing shoulder pain. Please be careful as you consider options and approaches for your cervical spine and shoulders. Take your time and conduct a full due diligence in making any decisions that you act on.

I hope for you a bettering of your health in the new year,
Karen
I am now.
Pituitary failure, wide-spread endocrine dysfunction
Addison's disease
Mixed connective tissue disorder
Extensive intestinal perforation with sepsis, permanent ileostomy
Avascular necrosis of both hips and jaw
Receiving Palliative Care (care and comfort)

bigecase
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   Posted 12/30/2017 8:17 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you so much for explaining. The pain is over whelming these days and has been for quite some time. I am going to call next week and have them fax me the orders for pt. I will take to my pt clinic. I have been so much that i am more than comfortable with them. (Except when they are working on shoulder). Lol. Just kidding.

I have totally wasted a week of vacation this week due to this pain in the neck but i knew i would. I have Demerol on hand but Tylenol works better. My fear is that i have been taking it too long. I know it is not good for my liver. Each time i take i think about the now. Right now i have to stop this or i am going to go insane. I have got to get this through to the doctors. We have got to get this figured out or a path i can handle.

On a good note tomorrow is my 29th wedding anniversary and it is so good to have someone that takes wonderful care of you always.
bigecase
Age 46

bulging disc C6, c7, L4 &L5, L5S1 Spinal Stenosis, degenerative disc, mild anterolisthesis FAILED back Surgery 11/29/12. Torn rotator cuff, torn bicep tendon, and spurs all in right shoulder--3 shoulder surgeries. ESOPHYX TIFF surgery. Hypothyrodism, anxiety, migraines, tmj,2 left shoulder surgeries
12/14, SCS implant
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