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worriedgirl
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   Posted 12/28/2017 5:17 PM (GMT -6)   
i really don't know how you guys deal with all the pain. for the last month i have had back pain. it started out in my lower left side so i thought kidney infection or something like that. went to er and they said sciatica which i didn't believe it was, no pain in legs or anything else. they gave me naproxen which doesn't help and narco which didn't help. i go to my dr and he says its a strained muscle and tendon and gives me ibuprofen 800, gabapentin, and flexiril which is a muscle relaxer. it helps for a while. now the pain is going from left to right side and up my spine. it feels like someone is taking my spine and twisting it and squeezing it and punching it. sometimes percocets helps and sometimes it doesn't it was so bad today i barely slept and i cant take it no more. i went to a chiropractor, the one my husband goes to, and he took an xray, he is the only person to do some kind of test and he said by looking at it that it looks like arthritis and disc degeneration but he needs to look closer and i wont see him til next week.

he put me on a roller table which felt good, and took some compression thing down my spine and put some biofreeze on it which helped for a bit but now after a few hours the pain was back. if he is correct and i have disc degeneration i don't know how i am going to cope. i have a very low tolerance to pain, i am diabetic and pain raises my sugar and i don't want to be addicted to pain pills. is there anything i can do to help the pain or am i just going to suffer for the rest of my life.

i know i have no room to cry as i am sure you guys have been in pain longer but at this point i feel overwhelmed and like getting hit by a bus would be less painful and i am just starting. i guess first step is finding out if that is the problem, next step would be a pain specialist doctor and then go from there.
"No one really dies because they have loved. Because they love they stay in the hearts of the people they have touched so in that their memory lives on." Ghost whisperer-i know corny but this touched me deep down and i see so much truth in it.
ADD-diagnosed 2010
Diabetes- diagnosed 3-29-2012. only using low fat and low carb diet and victoza .6 mg at night

skeye
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   Posted 12/28/2017 8:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi worriedgirl,

I'm sorry to hear about what you are going through, it does not sound like fun. That being said, I would be leery about letting a chiropractor diagnose you. They can assess the biomechanics of the spine, and sure they can pick up on obvious degenerative changes on xray, but they are not MD's, and they are not trained to read and assess xrays the same way that a radiologist or spine doctor would. The fact is, most of us have evidence of DDD and spinal arthritis as we age. However, these diseases are often not painful (though yes, sometimes they are), and many people don't even know that they have them until someone xrays their spine. So even if you have these changes on xray, whether or not that is the cause of your pain remains to be seen.

While having a chiropractor work on you probably isn't going to hurt, and may help, if this pain continues, you really need to go back to your doctor and have more advanced imaging done (typically an MRI). That still may not definitively tell you the cause of your pain (it may also come back with nothing more than the DDD & arthritis which leaves you in the same boat, wondering whether or not that is the cause of your symptoms), but it will detect any nerve root compression or other problems with the spine and/or surrounding tissues that may be causing your symptoms. The reason that your doctor hasn't rushed into sending you for any testing thus far is probably because statistically speaking, the majority of people with lower back pain and/or sciatica will get better on their own within 2-3 mo, and thus many doctors won't even consider doing imaging until the patient is at least about 8 wks out. It sucks when you are the patient and are in pain, though.

In the mean time, you might consider talking to your doctor about trying a course of steroids (if you can take them with your diabetes, since steroids also raise blood sugar), in case this is some acute inflammatory process (steroids are much more powerful than the NSAIDS you already tried). If you can tolerate it, massage might also be something to try. As would physical therapy -- they can help with both pain reduction techniques and stretching and strengthening. Ice and heat are also your friends. And OTC products like the bio freeze your chiro used, lidocaine gel, icy hot, arnica gel, etc, can also help temporarily. If all those things fail, depending on the cause, you're probably looking at trying epidural steroid injections.

And a word of advice -- don't compare your pain to someone else's. Yes, there is always someone else "worse off," but we all experience and respond to pain differently. It doesn't matter if your pain tolerance is high or low. Pain is pain and will wear you down emotionally and physically, and you are justified in your feelings and your desire to seek help!!

I hope you feel better soon! Please let us know how things go.

Skeye

Post Edited (skeye) : 12/28/2017 7:27:16 PM (GMT-7)


worriedgirl
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   Posted 12/28/2017 11:23 PM (GMT -6)   
im using the chiropractor to get the first part of diagnosis because no one else is listening. with that I am going to take it to my doctor with proof and see about getting the mri. there has to be an answer somewhere and a plan of action to reduce the pain. I am losing sleep and it is starting to affect my work and its to the point where I am taking pain pills everyday at least twice a day if not 3 times and others im suffering as long as I can without it which is causing me to be in so much pain I cant sleep. I know I am going to set up an appt next week with my gp after the chiro appt im just glad someone is listening to me.
"No one really dies because they have loved. Because they love they stay in the hearts of the people they have touched so in that their memory lives on." Ghost whisperer-i know corny but this touched me deep down and i see so much truth in it.
ADD-diagnosed 2010
Diabetes- diagnosed 3-29-2012. only using low fat and low carb diet and victoza 1.2 mg in morning and 100 mg Januvia at night

straydog
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   Posted 12/29/2017 6:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Worriedgirl, I understand the pain, we all do. Many different things can bring this type of pain on without any warning. DDD & arthritis can lay dormant & suddenly rear its ugly head & make us miserable. Moving the wrong way such as unloading a dishwasher, taking clothes out of a dryer or putting a gallon of milk in the refrigerator. All normal things we do on a routine basis, these are just some examples. Weather changes is a big trigger for me, especially this time of year. Also, has your GP checked your vitamin D level recently? Low vitamin D will cause joint pain, however, you should supplement it unless you are low.

Look at the type of shoes you are wearing, if they have little support get out of them. Good shoes are a must, I wear sneakers (running shoes) because of all of the support. It makes a big difference having a shoe with good support. What type of mattress are you sleeping on, is it old?

Have you tried moist heat? Moist heat works better than dry heat. As Skeye mentioned lots of OTC things available to help us out. I have used the Salon Pas on my back & shoulders & they actually give some relief. I also use Tiger Balm a lot, lol. Do light stretches, we have to keep moving. The old saying move it or lose, is so true.

When you see your GP ask for a referral to PT. I would want an xray done that is also read by a radiologist. Chiro's are not trained to read films like a radiologist. All drs will treat conservatively any time there is an onset of this type of pain. Make a list of everything you have going on to discuss with your GP.

I would stay away from steroids because of your diabetes. Steroids will really jack up the sugar. I am borderline diabetic & the last time I was in the hospital they had me on IV steroids. My sugar went crazy & I was put on insulin shots to counteract what the steroids were doing.

Keep us posted on how you are doing.
Susie
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Post Edited (straydog) : 12/29/2017 6:47:12 AM (GMT-7)


worriedgirl
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   Posted 12/30/2017 12:48 AM (GMT -6)   
the arthritis I believe now that I am thinking of it is coming from where I had a broken rib in the 9th grade. but if it is disc degeneration could that also be what started me down this path? interesting to think about. but uggg I want relief. today was a fairly bad day but not as bad as day before as long as I keep pain meds in me which I hate doing but I have to keep the pain low or my sugars go up at least until I can get to someone to help me with this. on Wednesday after I get the results of the xray I will be going to doctors who can actually read these and getting them to run all the tests they need to so I can get back to normal.
"No one really dies because they have loved. Because they love they stay in the hearts of the people they have touched so in that their memory lives on." Ghost whisperer-i know corny but this touched me deep down and i see so much truth in it.
ADD-diagnosed 2010
Diabetes- diagnosed 3-29-2012. only using low fat and low carb diet and victoza 1.2 mg in morning and 100 mg Januvia at night

skeye
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   Posted 12/30/2017 1:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes, disc degeneration can and does lead to arthritis over time, as the discs normally cushion the spine/absorb and distribute shock as we move. As the discs wear down, more stress is placed on the vertebrae, leading to structural changes within the bone and articular surfaces, collectively known as arthritis.

Don't be surprised if even if you are able to get a copy of your xrays from your chiropractor, your doctor disregards them and makes you have new ones done. Chiropractors do not necessarily position you the same way or take as many views as spine doctors and radiologists would prefer. The xrays may also be of lower quality depending on the type of xray machine, detector, processor, and settings used. Having an extensive medical background, I have not been overly impressed with the xray skills of chiropractors. How they take their images may serve their purpose for evaluating the alignment and biomechanics of the spine, but they are often not up to par with what would be considered diagnostic quality images.

Hope you feel better soon. Don't worry about having to take pain meds for now. None of us likes taking pain meds, but sometimes it is necessary. Hopefully it will not be a long term thing, but you clearly need them right now.

Skeye

worriedgirl
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   Posted 12/30/2017 3:24 AM (GMT -6)   
I would agree on most but this chiropractor i trust because he has treated hubby for years. Also when my daughter was having wrist pain and lost feeling in 3 of her fingers he was able to closely pinpoint what her problem was, he said growth palate but was her wrist bones so very close and was able to bring feeling back to her fingers whereas specialists and drs couldn't figure it out for 6 months. So i do trust him but wilp get whatever my doctor recommends. Idl don't want to be seen as a drug addict but man i need relief so thank you for the words i needed that.
"No one really dies because they have loved. Because they love they stay in the hearts of the people they have touched so in that their memory lives on." Ghost whisperer-i know corny but this touched me deep down and i see so much truth in it.
ADD-diagnosed 2010
Diabetes- diagnosed 3-29-2012. only using low fat and low carb diet and victoza 1.2 mg in morning and 100 mg Januvia at night

worriedgirl
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   Posted 12/30/2017 5:58 AM (GMT -6)   
another question is sometimes the pain goes up to my shoulder blades and sometimes my shoulders feels like it is burning. I hate this pain. im sorry to complain so much
"No one really dies because they have loved. Because they love they stay in the hearts of the people they have touched so in that their memory lives on." Ghost whisperer-i know corny but this touched me deep down and i see so much truth in it.
ADD-diagnosed 2010
Diabetes- diagnosed 3-29-2012. only using low fat and low carb diet and victoza 1.2 mg in morning and 100 mg Januvia at night

straydog
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   Posted 12/30/2017 6:26 AM (GMT -6)   
I noticed in the Diabetes forum you have gone from a job where you stood a lot to now sitting. Sitting puts a lot of stress & pressure on the back. Be sure to get up & move around. The DDD & arthritis is part of the natural aging process that we cannot avoid. People use to think it was strictly for older people & that is not true. Same with arthritis young people it can strike at any time. Try not to let this stress you out so much, I know easier said than done. But, when we stress out our muscles will tense up causing more pain. Be sure to check your posture too.

Hopefully you will get some relief soon.
Susie
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worriedgirl
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   Posted 1/2/2018 1:29 AM (GMT -6)   
i do sit yes but I get up off phones and walk on breaks which is two 15 mins and 1 30 min lunch. I also stand at work while in between calls to keep from sitting so much. I have a straight back chair to make sure I am sitting upright. everything I can think of to help. on top of that I am now out of the pain meds that do help minimize the pain and down to the stuff that has no effect on me whatsoever. I cant get anything from my pcp as he doesn't prescribe anything stronger than ibuprofen. I guess I will need to go to an er but they lately have been prescribing the stuff that has no effect on me and I don't want to look as if I am a drug addict. I am far from it I am just trying to keep the pain at bay until I can get everything I need ran and get to the right doctor to help me out. I am at a loss. I have a chiro apt Wednesday for the results do I wait and suffer then get into where ever I need to go? or do I go to the er and try to get something to minimize the pain to make it to where I can function.

my daughter's boyfriends mom says if I need a neuro to let her know so she can get me hers and if I need a neurosurgeon to let her know. but I cant suffer for weeks trying to get in I am barely doing it now! my housework is suffering and my cooking is suffering which means my sugars are going to suffer. I worked too hard to let it suffer again! I already feel like a crybaby and I feel like I just want to go away and hide. I am such a wimp!
"No one really dies because they have loved. Because they love they stay in the hearts of the people they have touched so in that their memory lives on." Ghost whisperer-i know corny but this touched me deep down and i see so much truth in it.
ADD-diagnosed 2010
Diabetes- diagnosed 3-29-2012. only using low fat and low carb diet and victoza 1.2 mg in morning and 100 mg Januvia at night

straydog
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   Posted 1/2/2018 7:58 AM (GMT -6)   
WorriedGirl, of course only you can decide what to do about going to ER. Most states have adopted the guidelines on how to treat acute pain. If an ER will write a script it can be anywhere for 3-5 days worth. More often than not, its nothing. If you have been there already odds are not good you will get anything.
I would be asking my dr to start some physical therapy to see if that will help.

I wish I could think of more things to help, but I have already mentioned some things above to try. Keep us posted on how you are getting along. Take care.
Susie
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worriedgirl
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   Posted 1/3/2018 9:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Bulging disc. Disc degeneration of l5 One hip goes to a angle. My spine is at a angle by the hips which is pinching my spinal cord. He said im toward the last stages and if i don't get treatment i could need surgery. It will eventually make my legs go numb and potentially kill my nerves. At most with treatment ill get 75% better.
"No one really dies because they have loved. Because they love they stay in the hearts of the people they have touched so in that their memory lives on." Ghost whisperer-i know corny but this touched me deep down and i see so much truth in it.
ADD-diagnosed 2010
Diabetes- diagnosed 3-29-2012. only using low fat and low carb diet and victoza 1.2 mg in morning and 100 mg Januvia at night
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