CBD & legal cannabanoids.

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   Posted 3/18/2018 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi everyone,

Some of you know I’ve been doing a lot of research on alternatives to opioids (and benzodiazepines).

A few months ago, I tried CBD (with my PM’s permission). I didn’t find that it helped with my back pain, but it does get rid of my migraines. Specifically, I have been using pure crystalized CBD isolate from hemp, which I vaporize. My migraines go away within a couple minutes.

Regarding the legality of CBD, check with your state (it is legal in all but a handful now). It is also federally legal if sourced from hemp. The DEA issued guidance on the matter last year, but it caused a lot of confusion. There are a few instances where police misapplied that guidance. The intent of the guidance was to exclude industrial hemp and its derivatives from Schedule I, but it doesn't clearly read that way.

The DEA has since (in oral arguments before the 9th Circuit) re-affirmed that hemp and hemp-based products legalized in the 2014 Farm Bill are not scheduled. The 9th Circuit (who tend to be very left-leaning) was asked to address this issue by the hemp growers association. They will issue a ruling soon on what to do about the confusion.

While some of you are in MM states, those who are not may want to explore the expanding hemp-medicinal market. In addition to hemp oil, and pure CBD isolate, hemp growers are now selling even their buds. So long as their contents are under .3% THC, unless your state has laws otherwise, they are legal (per the 2014 Farm Bill). In theory, one advantage of them over pure CBD is that they contain CBDA, CBDN, etc., other non-psychoactive cannabanoids, thus allowing for what is known as the "entourage effect."

Nonetheless, while pure CBD shouldn’t lead to a positive THC test, there is a chance that “full spectrum” hemp oil and hemp buds will. Hence, be sure to discuss with your PM. I plan to discuss this with him in a few weeks (though will delay if I end up seeing his PA).

I have yet to try these buds, but there are now about a dozen websites selling them. Some of them are reviewed on mjgeeks.com (Admin – this is not a link to a retailer, just a review website). Some have trace amounts of THC; some have 0%.

If I recall correctly, we're now at 20 states with medical marijuana, 9 states with recreational (plus DC). There's another five states that should decide on MM this year (OK, KY, SD, UT, MO).

P.S. With my other supplements (Agmatine and Tianeptine), still am pain-free much of the day. I just took a week off Tianeptine to see what would happen -- somewhat more pain, and mood was definitely down.

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   Posted 8/12/2018 11:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for sharing! What is Agmatine and Tianeptine? I’m on Fentanyl patches and Tramadol but am filing for medical marijuana card. Just don’t know if products without thc will relieve my pain. From what I read, the THC part gives a lot more pain relief but I don’t know if I’ll be able to take care of my kids.
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   Posted 8/22/2018 10:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Try mixing some of the cbd oil and coconut oil. It makes a salve (but it will melt if too warm). It is for topical use. I find it works good for joint and muscle pain...

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   Posted 8/25/2018 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone tried adding CBD to an irritant salve that heats up the area that it's applied to? Heat helps in so many ways in the post-acute/chronic stage that I'm wondering if it would help? It's the equivalent to an analgesic (like aspirin added to patches like Salon Pas). I'm desperate at this point as I'm the middle of the horrible freezing part of frozen shoulder from a shredded rotator cuff & labrum. HMOs try to wait out past 6 months of excruciating pain before they'll consider a surgical approach if you're not under 50 or rich. I used to be a very active productive member of society who is now reduced to praying I can sleep so I can go to work the next day and just make it worse.
Also given the stigma associated with pretty much anything that helps with pain, I worry about positive THC tests.

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   Posted 8/26/2018 9:14 AM (GMT -6)   
1 day, CBD oil is legal in all states. Some say it may have a trace of THC in it & claim it will not show up on a UA or blood test. If you will look towards the top on the left there is a google Custom Search. You can type in CBD oil for pain & you should find lots of threads on it. This has been discussed in multiple forums here at HW. I have no personal knowledge. From what I have read here, it's a mixed bag on the reviews, some say it works & some say it doesn't.

I am sorry that you are having such a horrendous time, I just can't imagine. Shoulder issues can be excruciating. I do hope if you ever get the opportunity, you get off of the HMO plan. When managed care first came out, we had a horrible experience with an HMO. There was no choice at the time for us. The following year we had the option of going with a PPO which was way more expensive. We didn't care, it was well worth the money. We had access to excellent drs & none of this waiting 6 months to get care.
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   Posted 8/26/2018 1:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I have mixed oil with coconut oil and made a topical salve out of it. Works well for me.



PS you need to keep it refrigerated in the hot weather as the coconut oil will melt.

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   Posted 8/26/2018 2:06 PM (GMT -6)   
My mother (a spry 86 years of age) is using a coconut-oil based CBD liquid as a topical application to her left knee, which has expected wear and tear and intermittent catching and locking due to a partial meniscus tear and loose debris floating in th synovial fluid.

My mother is not someone who would normally gravitate to any form of marijuana. She would be hesitant to admit that she is using CBD to any of her friends. The CBD as a topical application does give her fairly good and consistent dampening of pain and inflammation. She had a right TKR 5 years ago (where she suffered from peroneal nerve entrapment from an overly inflated tourniquet during surgery and foot drop). She has no interest in laparoscopic surgery for the left knee.

Oregon has legalized marijuana and the range of locally sourced, quality CBD products makes giving CBD oil a try fairly easy, without fuss, and reasonable in price. My mother is using a coconut oil based CBD compound.

CBD oil, like most therapies, is advantageous with efficacy for some and of low benefit for others.

I used CBD oil for my sweet tea-cup Maltese, Molly, during her closing months of life. It was a useful adjunct to her traditional veterinary care.

Best to all who want to research out alternative treatments,
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