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   Posted 6/26/2008 5:43 AM (GMT -7)   
I was on the Fibro forum last night and following a link of 101 tips for FM & CFS when I came across the following article; which I am not savvy enough to know how post this link, so here it is:
Looks like HW just auto posted the link for me!  Thanks!  Anyhow, I would like all Canadians to read this article and try and follow up on this guy/organization and give me your thoughts.
There is no way my GI would give merit to these tests, but you can bet I would pay out of pocket to travel up there to follow through on this and give the results to my GI.
Do you think it warrants further investigation or is this just another "hoax cure" for someone to make major bucks?  Please consider this request seriously and post all of your thoughts here without letting this thread to get lost forever.  Thanks in advance for everyone's help with this!
I am sure you have better resources to check this organization out up there than I could even think of down here in the states.
Finally, I think most of you have the insight by now to know that I would not "bite the bait" on something like this if I didn't feel it "might" just have some merit.  I promise to put my monkeys to rest until all replies come in!:)  -Gayle

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   Posted 6/26/2008 8:11 AM (GMT -7)   
I ain't no Canuck, but, based on a quick looksee -
My immediate thought is, there is a heck of a lot of people doing research on HTLV 1 - 3, (the AIDS virus and co) and if they are reporting all they are about gene expression, genotype etc, then that is one truly enormous conspiracy scattered worldwide amongst many different organisations with employees of all different sorts of political flavour. Not to mention the Scanning Electron Micrographs (photos) of the virus itself, the tests which have a proven predictive ability, the treatment protocols... and the fact that it first got noticed in Haitian prostitutes.
Much of what if there I have no prior bckground knowledge of, so cannot vouch for its veracity. Some of the historic data is undoubtedly true - yes, the research into brucellosis did occur (some in Scotland, which is why I know about it) and probably yes, the toxin would be crystalline in nature when refined and its structure analysed - although Xray crystallography did not take off until the late 50s, when Watson and Crick used it.
It strikes me that this is a hodge podge of truths, possible truths, and supposition, perhaps with many pertinent facts left out that define the latter. Tin foil hat brigade ?
nono Well, I'm a mean Scot...I'm an Aberdonian...but even if it was free, I certainly wouldn't rely on this guy's science to cure me.
Go on, let loose the flying monkeys Broomhilde ! yeah

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   Posted 6/26/2008 12:24 PM (GMT -7)   
This doesn' just apply to Canadians, but to Americans and Britons too.

I hope it's not true.

map lady
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   Posted 6/26/2008 2:57 PM (GMT -7)   

I vote for this being foil hat syndrome.


If this were true, these things alleged to be supported by documentation would be available in pdf scans on the website.  Supporting documentation would be available to download from government archives if it were truly shared by Mr. Foil Hat with the US senate or with Canadian Pension and Workers Compensation commission.  There would not be things like (mycoplasma not found in chronic fatigue patients) as the result when the CDC tests for it.  There would not be studies from the NIH that did not find significant rates of mycoplasma infection in gulf war veterans.

Just because the Army sprayed zinc cadmium sulfide on people in the 1950's to see what would happen does not therefore mean that they weaponized brucellosis mycoplasma into an agent which causes an array of disabling and fatal diseases.  If it were true, the tests by established pathogenic testing centers, using the same PCR testing methods done by Mr. Foil Hat, would show comparable infection rates of mycoplasma.  Instead they are finding infection rates of like 5% when he is allegedly finding infection rates of like 95%.  It screams F-A-K-E.  That, and the fact that he wants you to buy his books or books written by his friends is also a big, red flag.

Have you ever been to  Did you see the sony rootkit fiasco and its aftermath?  Read any microsoft e-mails publicly available from their antitrust trials?  Read any enron papers submitted to the GAO?  That's what real conspiracies look like, and they have a paper trail.  If there were government documents showing these alleged experiments and results with weaponized bioagents, and were available for Mr. Foil Hat to read and recite cliff notes for us, the documents he accessed would be available for public viewing.  If it were not available for public viewing directly by the military or government, there would be some person somewhere on the internet who would have those incriminating official documents posted up on a website for everyone to see.  These documents would then be seized by other people and shared on their websites, and linked to, and then become widely available common knowledge easliy located by anyone searching for the subject.  That is not what's happening.  It is not anywhere because those documents don't exist.

I'm surprised this foil hat story wasn't on in the debunked urban legends section.  I am disappointed that someone is trying to sell books and tell people that their unfortunate disease was intentionally inflicted upon them by the military. mad

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   Posted 6/26/2008 5:42 PM (GMT -7)   
See I knew I could count on you guys that have been lurking around awhile! Not biting the bait on the "cure" end but have to admit I was intrigued by the testing. Guess that's how they suck so many people in. Sad isn't it.

The monkeys are formally released and hopefully this post has helped someone else to stay away from such trash!
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   Posted 6/29/2008 8:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Broom Just got caught up a little on some posting and came across your post. Will try to look into it more. I was interested in reading the medical point of view portrayed and certainly found this an interesting read. lol gail

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   Posted 6/29/2008 9:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Gail- I was wondering when you were gonna weigh in! I checked out the intex pools by the way via the internet. It's still a little larger than I want to maintain. Our last pool was huge and I was the idiot that learned the chemicals....should have played ignorant on that one! Hope you've had a wonderful weekend.
Dx'd Jan'06, 1st Resection 7/06, Humira, Imuran, B12 injections, Nexium, Lexapro, Glucosamine, Multi-Vitamin, Ultracet Secondary conditions: Psorasis, Osteoarthritis, Fibromyalgia, Lactose Intolerant, gallstones, peri-menopausal.

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