I like the way we are thinking now! I'm going to skip some of what I was going to post, for now, and focus on what AutoImmuneCrohney graciously added. And Healing_Ways, thank you for what you stated. I should have paid more attention the first time I went through this thread, but the video you linked was a GREAT example. I gave up on dentists, etc a long time ago. It actually perturbs me to see that they had such an in depth understanding of the problem in 1972 and since have largely failed to come up with a good regimen to solve it. If nothing else, the few that have found solutions have failed to make the knowledge wide spread. They knew that a disruption of the oral flora was a root cause, that the papillae were elongated, that smoking wasn't necessarily a factor, that antiseptics and/or antibiotics didn't necessarily solve the problem (and could even worsen it), and that restoration of a healthy flora was essential. Have they really failed to find the last little piece of the puzzle for so long? Maybe it's just easy to write it off and get on the oral hygiene bandwagon. Oh, and the recommendation in the video was ultimately podophyllin resin, which is definitely in the correct direction. That just adds insult to injury.
AutoImmuneCrohney, thank you and I am amazed you were able to find such sharp information. I've never seen recommendations like that (at least on the internet). I hope that doesn't make me sound arrogant, just to elude that I've been searching for that type of direct subject for a long, long time. The key component I am interested in is the debriding agents and/or those that discourage abnormal cell growth. Some of these, unfortunately, come with antibacterial properties, but as long as that component is not too strong then I think a solution is manageable. To repeat, I don't think chiefly antibiotic/antiseptic agents are a real solution because they lack the capacity to restore a healthy flora.
On the various agents AutoImmuneCrohney quoted:
-Urea has a debriding potential and is also moisturizing, and its antiseptic qualities do not seem to be overpowering. I think it could be useful in treating HT but the drawback is availability--where can one easily get a 40% solution? Even urine only has only about 2% (I believe)
-Tongue Scraping is important, and should be included in a regiment back to health, but should not be necessary afterwards. Scraping alone is not a cure unless just a mild condition exists and scraping more than once, maybe twice a day can have a negative effect (I think it can inhibit the good bacteria from coming back)
-Triamcinolone acetonide is not something I know much about. It looks like a very strong antimicrobial. Apparently it's been effective at treating geographic tongue (which i am certain is a superset of HT in rare cases). But, rinsing with hydrogen peroxide also cures GT without helping with HT, so I don't think this one is a good answer.
-Gentian Violet is another interesting agent but appears to be mainly antifungal. It might be effective in cases of thrush, but probably won't help traditional HT
-Thymol is primarily an antibiotic and antifungal. This is no better than taking a traditional antibiotic--it wont work long term
-Vitamin B Complex is very mildly effective in helping the tongue, namely GT (there may be a rare case where HT is brought on by a Vit B deficiency but, even still, taking a supplement is not going to cure the problem). In other words, its like taking nail clippers to a gun fight.
-Surgical Excision is, in my opinion, a very expensive, short term, and futile effort. It does not even begin to treat the root cause and I think they can only get the ridiculously long papillae.
--off topic--Ranitidine was earlier mentioned in this thread and to clarify it is a histamine receptor antagonist, which to me points to cases of allergic reaction. This is another substance that may be helpful with geographic tongue but not necessarily HT
--Oregano oil, mention by Healing_Ways: I don't know much about this substance but my guess is that it's an extract with primarily antimicrobial properties. If that's the case it may help in small ways but probably wont solve the problem. If I'm wrong about what it is please let me know.
-Salicylic Acid. Nuff Said. No, I had saved this for last because it is the super-effective agent that I have been using recently (still with other pieces at work). I think it is the main ingredient to the ultimate solution, ie cure.
I was going to write two or three pages of supplemental information before I got to this point, as it is all quite important. But, since AutoImmuneCrohney cut so close I figured I might as well get to the end now. I do still plan on posting the "in between" information but it will wait for another day.
Salicylic Acid, like I said, was the ingredient that I was missing for so long. It has good debriding qualities as it aids the epidermis in this action. It has a slight antimicrobial effect, but not detrimental. But, the best part: convenience. Salicylic acid is a main ingredient in aspirin! So, what I have been doing is chewing four of the 325 mg tabs in my mouth (not swallowing), and as my saliva creates a solution I try to hold it in my mouth for 2 to 4 minutes, maybe swishing around a little and paying special attention to the tongue. Of course I spit it out when done. Oh, and I do scrape my tongue before, but not after, and just continue to spit out residue for about ten minutes (unless you would rather just swallow the aspirin, but watch the label).
I think this is the closest thing to a silver bullet in curing HT. However, it's only the debriding agent, and must still be accompanied by practices that restore a healthy flora. And I must add a disclaimer:
Do not take my word or anyone else's for fact. Do your own research and come to your own conclusions. Always keep safety in mind.
Again, sorry for length. I will try to post more in a day or so. Please, lets keep this ball rolling--I think we are on the cusp of helping a lot of desperate folks.
Healing_Ways, thanks for staying with this. On your comment about thymol and listerine, I don't think this can help in the long term because it is primarily aimed at attacking bacteria. And about your change in eating habits, is it not amazing how an ailment can be a gift in many, many ways. It sure helps to stay positive.
Post Edited (NotANoob) : 2/9/2013 10:24:16 AM (GMT-7)