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Ides
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Posted 7/25/2018 2:20 PM (GMT -8)
Hello All!
Back in March, I told you all about my diverticulitis vs. CD flare in the sigmoid colon. After a flex-sig, the GI said definitely a big, complicated diverticulum that had become infected. Multiple rounds of antibiotics led to only a small improvement in the obstruction symptoms. Late June colonoscopy led to the GI not being able to pass the scope. No wonder I couldn’t poop or eat.

Was sent north to the U of W Hospital as it was felt too complicated for our town. Good thing! On July 13, my five hour scheduled surgery to do a sigmoidectomy turned into an almost 10 hour marathon.
My sigmoid colon was folded over at a 90 degree onto my rectum and was firmly attached. The mess was all wedged between my rectum and bladder. All of it had to be carefully dissected from its surroundings, including the mesh from a previous surgery. The surgeon was able to cut out the diseased portion and attach it to the rectum. However, it didn’t reach the surgeon’s standard in terms of attachment – so I have a temporary loop ileostomy. That was surprising to wake up to!

Recovery is going as well as expected. I am anemic so tire easily though managed to walk 2 miles yesterday on post-op day 11. Having trouble getting enough food in me. My stomach had gotten so small during the 6 months leading up to this, I fill quickly. Also, my small bowel gets very distended after I eat. Also, during our hot weather, getting enough liquids is tricky.

Only had two leaks so far – how dehumanizing. Having adhesive allergic reactions and the ostomy nurses are working out to find a barrier that I don’t react to.

The real kicker is the pathology of the removed portion cannot agree whether it is from CD or diverticulitis. Multiple UofW pathologists looked at it and no one is certain.
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minnietoty
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Posted 7/25/2018 4:24 PM (GMT -8)
You are in my prayers. Get well soon Ides smile
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scifigal2k
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Posted 7/25/2018 5:27 PM (GMT -8)
Oh my goodness, Ides! That is crazy!! You are handling the surprise so well, though! I'm glad you've had good doctors.
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Posted 7/25/2018 6:14 PM (GMT -8)
I am sorry you're having a tough time. life with a loop is hard - but it's temporary at least. Leaks are the worst. With my end ileo, I had such an easy situation, the loop was the opposite. I had a lot of leaks, but I found that a one piece appliance was the easiest for me to manage since it's the quickest to place and remove.

I wonder what products you have tried? everyone seems to love the Mio. Hollister wafers are nice, but the bags are so long. Convatec is sort of a weird in between. I wore their deep convex one piece often with my loop. Is your stoma short? If so, convex could help, but nothing will help so much until you figure out the allergy situation. The ostomy nurses are a wealth of information. I am sure you will have things down to a science soon. If I can help, ask away!

I noticed I had a lot of fatigue, low blood pressure, and dehydration with my loop. What helped me a lot, is firstly, not getting up quickly. Always sit and wait, stretch your legs and body before moving. getting up too fast is a recipe for disaster. Chew food well! Loops are notorious for blocking. Imodium if you've got the OK from your surgeon & hydration drops and lots of water... How long will you have the loop?
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Posted 7/25/2018 6:36 PM (GMT -8)
What an ordeal!! I hope you heal quickly and can put this all behind you.
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Posted 7/25/2018 9:01 PM (GMT -8)
Get well Ides! Crohn’s, the disease that keeps on giving... ugh.
Was that the university of Washington in Seattle? I am not too far from there and considered going there for a second opinion
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Posted 7/26/2018 7:29 AM (GMT -8)
Aw geez, what a thing to wake up to. If you need any advice or are looking for a forum with lots of info try veganostomy. Eric is the founder and he has a ton of info on the site, it's for everyone not just vegans. I've found it to be a life saver!

Also, I'm glad you were sent to a capable facility. It's best to be some place with the resources your case needs.

Hugs and well wishes.
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Posted 7/26/2018 1:54 PM (GMT -8)
Heal quickly Ides!
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Ides
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Posted 7/26/2018 2:49 PM (GMT -8)
Thanks for the well wishes everyone! My surgeon told me she doesn't want me to get comfortable with this ileostomy. So I hang on to that thought that hopefully sometime in October, I get reversed.

In no particular order - yes, I had surgery at University of Washington Hospital, Seattle. pmedic, if you need the name of a cracker-jack surgeon that deals with lots of IBD patients, email and I'll send you the name. Unfortunately, I don't know the name of a GI specializing in CD. Mine is in Tacoma.

I am currently using a 2 piece Hollister with a special wafer, no adhesive on edges, the pectin goes all the way out. I'll see tomorrow if the skin irritation is improving. Tried the Colloplast and that was the one that popped off every 12 hours. I think my stoma is too close to my belly button.

No dehydration issues. My soma output is so thick it's like paste. The only time it was watery was when I drank half a beer. Won't be doing that again!
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Posted 7/26/2018 3:46 PM (GMT -8)
Ides,

What an ordeal. Hope you're going to benefit from all you've gone through. Truly good news that it's temporary, but must have been a huge shock to wake up to. Hope you're recovery is more pleasant. Keep us posted.
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Posted 7/27/2018 7:42 PM (GMT -8)
That's nice that you felt well enough to have a half a beer. Sounds like a step toward improvement. You sound like you're in pretty good spirits considering everything. October is really only 2 months away. Having the ileo is interesting, I had mine for five or six months. I tried so many products. I was making the best of it. Thick output is good I guess. When it's thin, it can leak easier, but it can be easier to empty. There's definitely a happy middle ground. Sounds like you're already getting the hang of it. smile Alcohol always dehydrates and slows things for me. Your loop seems like it's better behaved.
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Posted 7/28/2018 10:57 PM (GMT -8)
hey Ides. glad your making the best of it. thats how i woke up , had all kinds of extra bandages and felt my belly and started to have a fit. my stoma was right on a fold of belly fat. leaked very single day more than once.but since it was a jujenostomy, it was all liquid all the time. your "paste" would have been wonderfull. ;oP have been absent as we have been moving down to centralia. been down here for 3 weeks. can you get IV hydration while your body adjusts? maybe go to infusion clinic 3days aweek and get a liter with electrolytes. hang with the PMA and be well. randy
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Posted 8/1/2018 10:32 AM (GMT -8)
Ides, how are you doing? Please update when you can smile
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Ides
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Posted 8/2/2018 12:38 PM (GMT -8)
Last night was not the most fun. I had some abdominal cramping, nothing too severe UNTIL the moment I laid down in bed. Was hit with a vomit inducing pain. Nothing like vomiting feces. I then surmised I must have a blockage near the stoma.

Got back in bed and was massaging my abdomen and WHAM! Had the urge to defecate. Raced to the bathroom but did not make it. I had lots of liquid stool. What? No one told me that this was a possibility when I was in the hospital. Nothing like emptying a pouch while pooping.

Whatever was causing the problem has passed. Feeling better this AM. My ostomy nurse apologized that no one told me that I might have mucous and/or poop come from the unattached colon and rectum.

Life with an ostomy appears to be a never-ending adventure!
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Posted 8/2/2018 5:27 PM (GMT -8)
I am sorry. Yes, since you're just disconnected, not closed up, the stuff down on the bottom end keeps functioning. It shouldn't be a ton to let out, but it can be daily for some people. Since you have a loop, some output can pass through the pouching system. The loop ileo technically has an opening that comes from up and one that goes down. If you really inspect it, you would likely notice that it's a bit of a dome. I used to go push out whatever was there in the AM and that was it for me. My surgeon said some people do an enema to eliminate the waste, and then you don't need to do it for a while. I never wanted to worry about an enema again so I couldn't be bothered.

This is kind of gross and kind of interesting
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You would be like the jpouch person waiting to reconnect, but you have your natural rectum and colon down there, which is great, so you can reconnect and get back to normal.

You definitely need to be careful about blocks with the loop. I had one with mine. Crampy and nauseous - passed on it's own luckily. I hope you never deal with it again. Chew really well, and definitely avoid mushrooms and corn. Mushrooms don't break down at all. There are a bunch of items, I am sure they gave you a list smile
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Posted 8/2/2018 11:40 PM (GMT -8)
gee ides, you remind me of so many things. more than once, mucus pooping, draining bag into garbage can while vomiting. ah , the good ole days... ;o) hang in there.
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Posted 8/21/2018 9:23 AM (GMT -8)
Ides, how are you doing? It's been a while since we got an update. smile
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Ides
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Posted 8/21/2018 3:57 PM (GMT -8)
NSSG, thanks for asking! Generally, I am doing well with some major annoyances

Saw the surgeon last Friday and the goal is for the reversal to happen around or on Halloween. Prior to the surgery I need a barium enema and then a scope in the stoma [done in the OR]. I requested to do all of this by the end of September as I have a date in LA, late October. (Don't judge my musical taste, I am going to see Bruno Mars).She said no way because of the vast amount of inflammation at the resection site. She said if scar tissue adhesions have formed, they will be more malleable after 12 weeks. Plus, if she runs into issues during the reversal and had to open me up, the recovery would prohibit travel to LA.

My major annoyance - I had been having 2-3 episodes of clear mucous coming out of my rectum daily. Yesterday I awoke to over a cupful of brown mucous. This was followed by 16 more trips during the day though the amount finally reduced to about 2 tablespoons. Today I have only had 9 episodes as of this posting.

I hate this whole "pouch" thing! I feel obsessive about emptying it so I don't have an accident. My output is like paste and so emptying is S-L-O-W. And I use a lubricant but it is very expensive. Someone said I could use vegetable oil. Is that true?

Think I'll be-bop over to Ostomies and ask about traveling and TSA, etc. I am going, stoma or no stoma!
Peace, Ides

PS I am going to my 50th High School Reunion next month - stoma invited to go with me!
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randynoguts
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Posted 8/22/2018 12:53 AM (GMT -8)
when ya gotta go- ya gotta go. i mean to la! ;0)
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Posted 8/22/2018 11:43 AM (GMT -8)
I hope you get to go to LA! It's nice to get away for awhile even if we can't get away from crohns or an ostomy -- ha ha

For thick out put I find that juice and lots of water help. The coloplast issue was probably because of thick out put, at least from my experience. Finding better luck going back to hollister.
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Posted 10/10/2018 5:52 PM (GMT -8)
Any news on your reversal? How are you doing?
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Ides
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Posted 10/11/2018 1:14 PM (GMT -8)
Thanks for asking NSSG!

At this point my reversal is scheduled for 31 October. I am going Monday for a barium enema to make sure everything looks good in the colon. Following that, the surgeon is inserting a scope into the stoma to see how everything looks. If all looks fine than we are good to go on the 31st!
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Posted 10/11/2018 4:21 PM (GMT -8)
Sweet! I had that barium enema and it wasn't so bad for me. Hopefully everything is quick and easy for you. Awesome that you're so close to getting reversed. It such an incredible feeling when you're done waiting. I could have lived with my end ileo, but knowing I had surgeries to face in the future I always felt like I was waiting for something. it's going to be a day to celebrate. It will take a little time to adjust, but you will be back to your old self before you know it. Looking forward to hearing about your experience. Let me know how it goes on Monday.
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