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Stevo68
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Posted 11/9/2020 11:36 AM (GMT -7)
I'm going to try to keep this short but provide all of the relevant info. 2+ years ago I had an abscess and three setons placed for a large fistula - 3 surgeries in all. Awful. I didn't like the setons and over time had two removed. The third was doable for me, but fell out on it's own. Docs both said "oh well" and I went without a seton for almost a year. During all of the above, I also went on Remicade. Since that time, I've been great. No issues. Then maybe a month or two ago, I developed a lump in the left side of my butt cheek. Not really painful, but I could tell it was there. One MRI later and my doctor tells me the fistula that is still there is branching. No active disease, but due to the nature of the fistula and the location, bacteria is causing spread. It can just happen. He recommends replacement of the seton. Oddly, my surgeon says, "you might be able to go without it and be fine". She also expresses that they discussed upping my Remicade dose at my docs recommendation but decided against that because, you know, cancer. Also, since the quarantine, I've been Pelotoning and I love it and I'm in decent shape and I don't want to give it up and I know depending upon where the seton is, I might have to. So, now the thing is starting to hurt a tiny bit. I've got a call in to my GI to talk through questions I have. I'm a little shook also since he talked about upping Remicade when at the same time didn't think my disease was active. That seems wrong although I otherwise have confidence in him. So... I think I need more information - things like what are the chances it develops into an abscess, what happens if I do nothing and don't get an abscess, that sort of thing. I don't know those answers. Any thoughts, advice, anything would be much appreciated.
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73monte
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Posted 11/9/2020 3:57 PM (GMT -7)
Sorry to hear of your current troubles. I can't be of too much help. I can tell you that Remicade, does have the best track record for fistulizing Crohn's. An increase in your dosage might help. I have no experience with setons, but if you start to get drainage from that fistulae track, then I think you might need a seton.

Hopefully you can keep your fitness regime going. It's such a huge asset to your overall health, and particularly in the battle against this sometimes relentless disease. Hope you're feeling better soon. Keep us posted.
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scifigal2k
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Posted 11/9/2020 5:45 PM (GMT -7)
I'm not sure why you think upping the Remicade dose and cancer are connected....do you have a history of cancer or something?

I've been on 10 mg/kg every 6 weeks for over 6 years now (8 total on Remicade). It didn't heal my fistula, but it definitely stopped any spread or anything. I'm able to be without a seton, but that is because mine is Rectovaginal so it has two places it can drain from (almost like how a pierced ear has two ends).

In my case, the seton was left in so long that the fistula healed around it like an earring in a pierced ear, so when we removed the seton it never healed closed, but it doesn't get infected or anything.

IMO, a seton is much preferred over c. diff. from frequent antibiotics due to abscess - or worse, an abscess that ruptures and goes septic. I almost died from an abscess that went septic, and I've had c. diff. 8 times. I became resistant to abx for it and had to have a fecal matter transplant. C. diff. can take months to recover your body's strength each time, and has a fairly high fatality rate in at-risk patients.

I'm not trying to tell you what to do or say that it's not that bad - fistulas, abscesses, setons....they all stink. Just trying to offer some scenarios that you may not have thought about.
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Stevo68
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Posted 11/9/2020 11:36 PM (GMT -7)
Thanks Scifigal. I'm going to get it done. I spoke to my doc tonight and he convinced me, as much as I didn't want to hear it. Your post pushed me down that road too, as I've been on antibiotics a bunch already, although thankfully I tolerate them well - at least to this point. The risks are just bad and I don't want to get an abscess, which was the most painful thing I've ever experienced which also lasted for months. So, I'll see if I can go with a small diameter rubber band and perhaps glue to hold it together instead of a knot. The last ones my surgeon used knots and she either wasn't a good knotter or something because the knot would always irritate me. As for the Remicade/cancer thing, my surgeon said it's bad. I know Remicade increases the risk for getting some cancers. I figured more was worse.
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straydog
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Posted 11/10/2020 12:01 PM (GMT -7)
Stevo, sorry to read about what you have going on. I am sorry that your surgeon scared you. Quite honestly, he spoke about something he knows little about. Your gi is the dr you need to discuss Remicade with & no one else. I was on 10kg every 4 weeks & that is what worked for me. We have another member on here that has been on it from when the trial first started, 20 years, that's a long time.

Scifi gave you some great information. Take care.
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scifigal2k
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Posted 11/14/2020 3:33 PM (GMT -7)
Stevo, glad you're moving forward with it!

This article might help you in the section about cancer.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/remicade

But like straydog said, your surgeon shouldn't have scared you and really doesn't know what he's talking about. He's not specialized in the field enough. And it really depends on how things are worded. For example, if you say, "That medication triples your risk of cancer!" it sounds scary. But if the risk was only 1% in the first place, then the risk only becomes 3%. That's still pretty minimal. (These are made up numbers.)

Yes, the surgeon's skill at knots makes a huge difference. I have had two setons in this same fistula. The first one was super loose with a tiny knot that I never even noticed. It also hung down like an inch or two out of the skin, which I much prefrerred. The second one she tied really tight and the knot was right up on the skin.
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