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Posted 9/23/2007 4:57 PM (GMT -6)
Has anyone out there ever tried the maker's diet or known anyone who has tried it?  It seems like it would be hard to implement and I am wondering if it actually works as well as it says it would...  Thanks! :)
Posted 9/23/2007 8:47 PM (GMT -6)
I am newly diagnosed as well... and I am certain I have had this for quite some time, and that it just went undiagnosed. I do not know anything about the Maker's Diet, but I wanted to respond to a new member since I just joined too. I was literally diagnosed 12 days ago.
36 year old mom of two sweetie pies (ages 7 and 9), first grade teacher in Kentucky
Posted 9/23/2007 10:34 PM (GMT -6)
I haven't tried the diet either, but agree with your thinking that the diet looks complicated. I have never heard of half the things they tell you to eat. Much less where to buy the food or how expensive it is to follow.
Posted 9/24/2007 12:08 AM (GMT -6)
I've looked into that fella's past and credentials . . . they are . . . um . . . unimpressive.

In fact, I think he's a shyster. Degrees from places that just hand them out for cash, recommendations and associations with places that don't exist . . . or have questionable history themselves.


Desperate folks will look anyplace for cures when we're sick. My GI wouldn't think himself arrogant enough to cure everyone with a program, or a drug, or nutrition. Someone who suggests he can draws immediate suspicion from me.
Posted 9/24/2007 12:19 AM (GMT -6)
Hi there,

A chap with the name of Crazyharry is currently on the diet. See if you can find him.

I personally believe to look at your diet, take your medication and keep a straight head. There are alot of promises out there, be carefull.
Posted 9/24/2007 8:45 AM (GMT -6)
Eryn, we have recently implemented the Maker's Diet. Personally, I don't think it's that difficult (and yes, I'm doing it too!). Giving up sugar was probably the most difficult thing for my son. That said, our local grocery stores have all begun stocking organic produce on a regular basis, and they also have a decent organic dry-goods and frozen foods section. I noticed several years ago that the meat departments began offering "hormone-free, steroid-free" options, and that has expanded with time. Even our dairy section has several lines of organic, grass-fed, etc. options. Yes, it's a bit more expensive, but we no longer buy junk food/processed food of any kind, so I feel that off-sets the cost. And of course, if we're able to stave off meds, surgeries, etc., obviously it is waaaaay more than worth it.

In my opinion, the diet isn't so much about what is restricted but rather what important foods you need to add to your diet to create the healthiest GI tract possible.

I am aware of the claims that Rubin's credentials are questionable, but it doesn't negate the fact that something seems to have worked for him--and I want that something! I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to him on the credentials thing because 10 years ago when Rubin was becoming a Naturopath the entire field was still in its infancy and questionable in this country. Naturopatic "degrees" were practically unheard of. If it weren't for docs like Dr. Andrew Weil and other similar high-profile crossover docs, I don't think this country would be where it is now with regard to acceptance of alternatives and complementary medicine.

I say read the book (it's a compelling story) and draw your own conclusions. For my son, knock on wood, something seems to be working right now. Only time will tell whether this approach works for him long-term, but I am extremely hopeful. In my opinion, it is definitely worth a try!!

Good luck to you!!!

EMom
Posted 9/24/2007 11:55 AM (GMT -6)
I just started on the Maker's Diet almost two weeks ago. For me, it seems to be working. I don't believe it will cure me, although that sure would be neat, I believe it will help control the disease. As it has. Try it out! You've got nothing to lose!
Posted 9/25/2007 4:34 PM (GMT -6)
eMOM, may I suggest that you could give your son Fish liver oil. Here in Scandinavia it is the best protection against winters cold flu, it contains a lot of vitamine D, some vit A and vit E. If i takes 5 ml, like two table spoons of this one each day all the year he is (and of course his parents also should use it) likely to have a much better health in general. It garantee one thing: it tastes awful ..... but you get used to it. So do every kid here in Scandinavia ;-) by taking it as tablets it's way much better for a kid.

Have red some place that it's a good natural medicine for Crohnies.

With all the best
for your son and your family
from Ingrid :-)
Posted 9/25/2007 9:40 PM (GMT -6)
makers diet is legit. i did it. worked for me. been on it for a year now. saved my @ss - literally cos they wanted to do a colectomy cos my bowels stopped working. now i feel great and my bowels operate just fine.

i dont want to type a book here, so look me up in this thing and go through my past threads where i describe my experiences with it. i did an extreme version of it this year under the supervision of jordan rubin (he doesnt do health coaching so i was very very fortunate). the diet is tough at first. you must retrain how you eat and what you eat. there is a lot of learning. a lot of the stuff for me on it was danger foods but for some odd reason i can do them all no problem. i love having salads again. my palate has changed and i no longer have a sweet tooth. it is intimidating, but stick with it. it is only 40 days. suck it up. imagine if it works for you and all it takes is 40 days? i'm sure you've been taking meds for longer than that and question their efficacy. you have to eat any way so you have nothing to lose but everything to gain. you do need to start at phase 1. i tried to cheat it by starting at phase 3 cos it seemed too hard. i did see some results but from having gone through an extreme version of it you do need to follow the protocol in the book. you have to be diligent and determined and show some will power when starting it. but by day 40, when you are on phase 3, it becomes a habit and you have no real problem eating this way. yoru food bill will increase but it becomes a wash cos you dont really go out to eat anymore. you will need to relearn how to shop and budget into your daily schedule time to prepare and cook your meals. it is tough at first but once you see the benefits you want to continue to do it and it does become easier. food has never tasted better to me in my life. i am so glad i found this diet. anyhoo, up to you. let me know if you have any particular questions.


is there ever a cure? who knows. but if you can live symptom and med free by just dietary changes, heck, i'll take that.


as for rubin's degrees, he's a legit naturopath doc. yes, the school he went to no longer exists. the reason he went there was cos he wanted to go to place that had a faith/bible based ciriculum. he's deeply religious. those schools are hard to find in this niche. besides, it is just a piece of paper. that really means nothing nowadays. all it means is that you put in some time at a place of learning to learn what you could have done on your own. all a degree does is open doors. remember, bill gates and steve jobs are drop outs. but for some reason we love their computers and such. you can get a degree and still be a moron in your field and totally useless. i base things off what have people done, do they practice what they preach, what are the results they get, and the testimonies of others. that means more me to me than a piece of paper. you need a college degree to work at enterprise rent a car. what a joke - you need a degree to rent some one a car! talk about useless. thanks for letting me rant a bit about degrees, not necessarily defending mr. rubin.


for skjura and emom, cod liver oil is better than fish oil. fish oil is generally a mix of oils from a few fish. cod liver oil is the best/highest quality. you want it from a cold water fish, say iceland or scandanavia. it has the most concentrated vitamins D and A. it comes flavored if you buy the right stuff and it doesnt taste or smell or feel gross or oily. i'd drink it like water if large amounts didnt cause D. take a tablespoon at night and you're on your way to wellness.
Posted 9/26/2007 2:35 AM (GMT -6)
Hi CrazyHarry, of course I ment cod liver oil, this is the one we have been drinking in my country for generations. Was a must for all school children in the good old days, and if u choose it, you'll get a lot of vitamines. To be more precise:
Cod liver oil contains so much D-vitamine that if you take 2,5 tbs a day you will get the level of vit D that is said may protect you against a lot of cancer diseases. One tbs is 10 mcg - 2,5 tbs contains app. 1000 International Units, this is the level that the newest science says is the cancer protecting level.

But I don't agree with you about the taste ....lol, it tastes bad, even if you buy cod liver oil with lemon taste.....but it's absolutely THE BEST .....and guess what, it protects you against vinter colds, it protects the heart, and a lot of other....AND it do reduce the inflammations going on in the intestines.

One more thing, CrazyHarry, are you on any medication now? Your profile says that u use colozal and 6-mp, is that right? Because I can't see any contraindications using some maintenance drug and being on a certain diet. And of course it's important to stay on the drugs also when you starts the diet, only the doctor could tell you when to taper.

That is exact what ppl. in here do when they are brought in remission by ordinary medications or by surgery. To take the responsibility to bring oneself in remission by a diet is great and craves hard work. There is absolutely a extraordinary payback: a better functioning body, also protected for other diseases, not to forget the bonus it is to eat a lot of food that you not was able to eat before, and to make it yourself, how nice isn't that? :-)

I also want to know one more thing: the bread that you make, is it made on almond or nutflour, or is it made on wheatflour, ryflour or and other flours but glutenfree? Because the SCD diet says the first, but I can't make my bread that way, there is no almondflour and so on here, but I have found glutenfree flours and would love to make glutenfree breads.

With all the best from Ingrid :-)

Post Edited (Skjura) : 9/26/2007 2:41:51 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 9/26/2007 6:41 AM (GMT -6)
Hi Skurja and Crazy Harry! Yes, my signature says my son is on omega 3s, but specifically he is on cod liver oil. I had read it is beneficial somewhere in my early research, and then read it again in Jordan Rubin's book. He takes 3000 mgs a day in capsule form, though. I hope this is enough. I have read 3000 to 6000 mgs is the desired range. Don't know how this compares to IUs, and it's probably more expensive in capsules, but I don't know if I can get him to swallow it by the spoonful! Anyway, the brand is Carlson and it is from Norway. If you know how IUs compare to mgs, please advise!

...okay....I'll take it too....

Thanks all!!!
Posted 9/27/2007 3:36 PM (GMT -6)
I've been on the Maker's Diet for a month now, and my symptoms are much better.  I do have a weird case of Crohn's though, and don't get D, but get constipated, and have major fissures that have bled and been extrememely painful for the last 3 years.  They actually feel better now than they have felt in 3 years.  To me, that is huge!  Yes the diet is hard.  Usually things that are worthwile are hard.  I started this type of diet 2 years ago after being dx. and couldn't stick with it, but I was at a crazy point in my life with 3 kids under the age of 4.  Now things are calmer, and I'm ready to make that commitment to my health.  I do have to cook alot more from scratch, but you just have to find ways to make it work. 
Posted 9/27/2007 6:29 PM (GMT -6)
My daughter takes 1800IU D3 daily:

1000IU gel capsule from Solgar that includes 3000IU A

800IU capsule from Purecaps that includes 900mg calcium 

Based on evidence from blood test results, we see that this is the minimum dosage needed to keep her parathyroid gland (PTH) and 1,25 D levels from rising abnormally high.

It seems to keep D storage from falling unless she is on mesalamine.

Posted 9/27/2007 10:32 PM (GMT -6)
skjura -

yes, i am on colazal and 6-mp. i am trying to get off both of them. i've been on them for years and i truly dont think they ever did much of anything for me. my doc doesnt want me to get off them, especially now that i am having an odd bout with anemia and have needed blood transfusions in july and september of this year. but perhaps the meds are why i am not getting better - 6 mp can cause bone marrow suppression and other stuff. and i took it concurrently with remicade for years which we are just now hearing can be very bad. i truly feel diet has helped me much more than meds. i felt better after surgery, but i still ate the same diet for a year. it wasnt until i began the maker's diet that i began to feel even better. it was diet that got my bowels to function again, not meds. they put me on zelnorm for that and that has since been pulled from the market.


clickchick -

get on a cal-mag supplement. it acts as a natural laxative. i use peter gilians natural calm (i dont know if i spelled his name correctly, but google natural calm and you'll find it). cod liver oil also acts a laxative that. have you thought of using i fiber supplement? drinking more water could help too. these are just things that come to my mind. i have strictures and fissures in the rectum so i also deal more with constipation than D.


emom -

the carlson brand of cod liver oil is solid. as far as how much to take, no one really knows. these are all just recommendations, like the usrda on the label of packaged foods. a 2000 calorie diet doesnt mean anything. we are all truly unique - some need more of a certain vitamin or mineral, and some less to function optimally. same with calories. it is a crap shoot. if you dont get enough of something you get sick. take too much of it and you get sick. there is a happy medium somewhere we all must find for ourselves....
Posted 9/28/2007 9:30 AM (GMT -6)
Hi all,

eMom: I know that the daily use of Vitamin D should be 50 mcg (micrograms) for adults
and 25 mcg each day for kids (EUs Scientific Committee on Food). If your child eat fat fish twice a week and some fish for breakfast some days a week- then he will have on average 10 mcg. each day. If you also give him cod liver oil you may have to reduce the amount - so there will be a balance. But if he eats fishmeals not too often, then give him 25 mcg each day. Is he often exposed for the sun? Like 30 minutes each day? This counts, 15 minutes sun on 1/4 of the body gives enough D for that day, so then you have to reduce the intake.

Each country has different upper levels on all vitamine use, and Norway have always been really careful using too high levels. The last years there has been some adjustments on that, so now they recommend higher D vit levels than before. (50 and 25 mcg) are the adjusted levels. Vitamine D (3) is probably a protection against cancer, but you have to be careful not having too much of it. Therefore it's important to know that alternative levels that are used are only at 7,5 - 10 mcg for children thats still growing.

CrazyHarry;
ain't there any other medicines you may use as a maintenance drug? It's terrible that we have to use such hard medications as immuno- and bone marrow supp. You really have to question some medications efficacy.....But since Crohn's may do it's terrible work under the surface it may be of great importance that we continue. I have recently started using LDN, low dose naltrexone, have just had it for a week, but am already in a better shape. No daily pain,D, no bloating, no cramps. I use only 3 mg, the max dose is 4.5 mg for adults, so I have to wait 3 more weeks to try if it works even better on 4.5 mg. I do not use any maintenance drug, but my health doesn't allow me, according to my GI. I want to combine this medicine with a diet, so I am doing a research on which diet to use.
If you are anemic you may have to use some good iron prep? I assume you know Floradix? My hB level was at 8.4 last year, I tried a lot of iron med, the only one that made an incredible increase was F.

clickchick;
Interesting that you too use the Makers. I am used to make the food from scratch, I do it with all the food that I use. It's a pity I can't find all the organic stuff that I need here where I live. We do make our own potato, and they are organic. We also have a lot of berries in the woods and on the mountain. We have the fish down in the sea, and all are really clean. But of course I need meat that is organic.....and it's hard to find. And if I buy vegetables....have to travel for some hours to find a shop with a few veg. How do u make the bread? Is it glutenfree and yeastfree?

All the best from Ingrid
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