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   Posted 12/19/2010 10:04 AM (GMT -6)   
I am married man in his early 30s who suffers from depression, anxiety, ADHD, and social anxiety. I have been going through an excruciating time as of late. It all started when I was getting married over 2 years ago. There has been a long history of conflict between my parents and my wife. They have been pretty awful to her and it has greatly affected me. In response, she has become very angry and overly-sensitive to their actions, which is understandable. I too am to blame for not standing up for her in the beginning, but I had been swimming in dirty water for so long I did not even realize it was not clean.
My wife is the love of my life. She is my life and she means beyond the world to me. She is the most wonderful person I ever met.
The main issue of tension revolves around a pre-nuptial agreement my dad made us sign. In retrospect, I when I saw how much it hurt her, I should have never let her sign it and I did tell her I still would marry her if she did not sign it, but she did. When I first told her about it she called my father up and he screamed at her and told her she would “…never get his money.” My father is a wealthy man who is obsessed with money and is socially retarded (for lack of a better term) and does not know how to deal with people. Keep in mind my brother and my sister did not have to sign any type of agreement. The first draft of the agreement my dad had drawn up. It read like an indentured servitude contract. I told him this is not the type of marriage I want to have with my wife and found another lawyer who basically only protected my inheritance, my stock portfolio and my condo, the latter two had been funded by my father. I did this because I believe anything that I make while we were married should be both of ours and what he want to do with his money is his decision. She also was going to keep her account that had prior to our marriage. Later, after we were married and when things calmed down a little, as a sign of good faith and at the urging of my couples therapist (who does not seem to think very much of me but she has helped so and my wife likes her so I put up with it).
There was a lot of pain back and forth and I have been in the middle of everything. My mom did not come to my engagement party because she has a pelvic issue and said she could not fly, but she was in Florida on a three week vacation the week before. Now she claims she was never even invited which we did and she debated it for at least a month. (she is a recovering uppers and downers addict). They were never very warm to my wife. TO stand up to them I told them that they could not give a speech at my wedding. This really hurt me because I would have loved to have my entire family speak, but because of my wife’s feelings, I would not allow it. They were crushed and embarrassed by this. My sister even berated me at the wedding about it and I almost cried. After the wedding my parents continued to depress me by telling me they were losing me. The guilt they tired to inflict, sometimes successfully and sometimes unsuccessfully was unbelievable and they continuously try to make me feel guilty everytime something does not go the way they want it. My wife continued to tell me they were horrible people.
On and off, my wife has really tried to have a relationship with them. Each time, either they did something wrong or my wife was way too overly sensitive over the smallest details of the things they would do. I understand why she was hurt, but some of these complaints no one would really read into the things she did or would be concerned about them. My dad offered to buy us a house with part of my inheritance. She was all for it and it seemed that she was getting along with them. We found out that my dad wanted to be put on the deed with the both of us in joint tenancy. This actually was a smart idea and a dumb idea. We would have avoided the gift tax and the estate tax by buying the house now. But it was inappropriate due to my wife’s concern about him and money. I refused the gift. Since then she says I can get a house as long as I handled everything and she had final approval, because she finally understood why he did this but I refused because it just is not worth it. However, this was the last straw and she said she really did not want to have anything to do with them.
During the period before the house incident, my parent had been really nice to my wife but she would not acknowledge this and she would find the smallest most insignificant things to pick on. For instance, my mom called me at work to invite us to a holiday and she went nuts because they did not call or email her to invite her too. Her parents never personally invite me to anything and I think nothing of it (I have a great relationship with them). They even did some very nice things like pay for a semester of her law school education and gave us money to help for the rest of law school. They did this without us asking for it. I understand she is hurt. It is not the perfect situation because my dad is socially retarded, my mom does not want to be held accountable for anything, and my wife is very hurt, and rightfully so, and is a pretty angry person.

The recent developments of my life have brought me close to a nervous breakdown. From my therapist, couples counselor, and wife’s pleading, as well as my own awakening and realizations, I went to my parents house to confront them about these issues. I did this in hope to make myself feel better, do right by my wife, make them understand what they have done and the consequences for their actions, and to try and mend the relationship so I can have some semblance of a family. On the first occasion, I was very anxious but I pushed myself to confront them. My mother had excuses or does not remember anything I said happening. She will not hold herself accountable for anything. My father did not understand why these things were so wrong. However, they assured me that they would love to have a relationship with my wife, and insisted that they would apologize to her after she was done with her law school finals. My wife said she does not buy it. I also explained to them that we were not coming to thanksgiving dinner and they could not accept that. I did this to try to make them understand there are consequences to their actions. They were so upset by this that it made me very depressed but I know I did the right thing. Instead, we went to spend thanksgiving with my Mother’s three brothers. My parents no longer talk to them because of a dispute in my grandfather’s will giving them the business that they all worked at and not giving my mother a piece of that business, probably because she was married to a very wealthy attorney. They sold the business a few years later for a ridiculous amount of money and are now retired. They have been so good to both myself and my wife after we have slowly established a relationship with them. Anyway, we went there for thanksgiving and I knew that this would really hurt my parents if they knew about this, but they have accepted my wife unconditionally. We had a great time. However, the next few days I was so depressed I could barely get out of bed because I of how much this would hurt my parents.
A few weeks later I went up a second time to confront my parents on more issues, mainly involving how making my wife miserable has pushed my depression towards the point of unbearable. They asked what we did for thanksgiving and I told them the truth because I wanted to do the right thing. They were very hurt. I continued to talk to them about the issues and thanks giving. We eventually had a more pleasant conversation about random things. Anyway, I went home and my asked me what happened. Of course, as usual, she found a reason to be angry at me because I agreed with my mother that things at one time were getting better between my wife and my parents and I agree with that statement, even though I did not let them know that.
The next day my wife to study and I went about my day. I go home from the gym that night and my brother-in-law had left several messages on my machine that my dad was in the hospital. I called them back and they told me that my dad had a mini-stroke. They blamed it on the conversation I had with them the day before, hell, I blamed myself the second I heard about the incident. Needless to say I felt beyond terrible. I thought I killed my father. I finally got hold of my mother, who did not call me, and she told me that they all thought they he just had a panic attack but I should not tell them so much and I must take it easy on him. I called my brother, who is a doctor and went to see him, and he told me it was not a stroke and I should not blame myself because I have to be able to have hard discussions with my father but that I should take it easy on him. When I finally talked to my father that night he told me he thought he was going to be fine his mind just went blank and started stuttering uncontrobaly for about a minute or two. He said that he would like to go to family therapy with my wife and try to mend things, but I do not think she would be open to this concept.
My sister called me the next day to tell me that I have to take it easy on my father. She was very condescending and passive-aggressive and was telling me information like her kids, who I was cvery close to, are very scared that their poppy was going to die. I got into a fight with her and she just told me how I have turned into another human being with no passion for life whatsoever. She is right.
Two days later, my sister called me to tell me that my dad was coming back to work, which I already knew because I had talked to him several times that week. She told me again to take it easy on him and I agreed to because I had to desire to upset him anymore. She then went into the fact that she is sorry for the “injustices and the struggles” that her and parents have put us through since we got married. I called her out on this and told her I felt that I was completely insincere and she instead she was serious. I do not believe her but what is the point with fight with an insane person. I really have enough problems in my life I do not need to fixate on anger. I then got off the phone with her. My wife heard the conversation and was irate with me because I did not stand up for myself. I thought I did to an extent and on another point it was really not worth another hour conversation with her that goes nowhere. My wife has a conspiracy theory that my mother was making my sister call me to make me feel bad. She then insisted that when she was done with finals, she wanted to sit down with my parents and have it out with them. She believed that they are blaming for this health problem and this was the most despicable thing that they have ever done. She also did not believe that I stood up for myself, which I did at the very least, with my two last meeting with my parents. Most importantly, and a point I do not think I go across to well, she wanted to explained to them how they have been torturing me and how I am an absolute shell of who I once was. My heart sunk and I thought I was going to swallow my tongue. I would have loved for her to do this at anytime throughout this whole conflict, but since my father had such a hard time with this, by the way he is on kumondine (sp) for his heart and his levels were extremely low and they did not confirm that he did not suffer a mini-stroke at the hospital because of the low levels are indicative of a stroke and he is almost 79 years old, also my li. I told her, and I believed that I could not let her meet with them in fear of something happening to my father. I would never be able to live with myself if something happened. She then said “do you want to get a divorce?” then she agreed she would write them a letter, but I do not know if this is such a good idea either.
I am so depressed and so scared that my marriage is going to be destroyed by this. I love my wife so much and we have a great relationship except when it comes to the issue of my parents and sister. And some of her bad traits is she does get angry and does hold grudges. I also do not want disown or cease to talk to my parents. They love me very much and I love them, even though I think they have done more damage than my wife has in this relationship. I also do not want to have to move away from our friends and my job and this is my home. She is from a different state (she moved here right before we met), because the market is so bad. I had aspirations of a relationship where the two sides could at least coexist but I think that is a pipe dream. At this point I just want to have a separate relationship with both sides with my wife being by far my highest priority.
Because of recent events, and talking to a friend whose father recently passed away, I really do want to spend some time with my parents. They are older and I do not know how much longer they will live. I am afraid if I cut them off or something along those lines I will have resentment towards my wife for the rest of my life. However, I love my wife and I want to protect her. What happens though when we have kids?
I also do not want to hurt my wife anymore and want to stand by her and up for her. I also must get out of the terrible depression that this has a hold on me. It is pretty bad when activity is normal but now it is really to the point where I do not have any joy or optimism about life whatsoever.
What should I do? How should I deal with my parents, my wife and my depression? PLEASE HELP
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   Posted 12/19/2010 12:09 PM (GMT -6)   
I am sorry but I haven't finished reading your post, it is rather long. But so far, I think you need to live your life with your wife and get out from under your parent's hold on you. You will be happier and healthier.

I will write more when I finish reading your post.

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   Posted 12/19/2010 1:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Ok I am sorry you are going thru such a tough time.
I read your entire post and I get why you feel like you are in the middle of a emotional fight that has been extended for quite some time.
I got to the point that that I just had to withdrawl from my family because I could not deal with their issues in addition to my own. Now my parents died at 60 and 61, and there was also a larger family issue with my grandfather's trust. So I can speak to my own experience here and bear in mind that I am on morphine right now myself so it might not be phrased in the greatest of ways.

One's parents have no right to dictate your life, really past 18 for most of us. Neither does one sibling's.
All you have to say to them is "I thank you for your input." (or something along that line and one can say it like a record on skip if you have to, and sometime it might take that they are providing unsolicited advice) Because out of respect one can tolerate their input, because they are family, but they do not have to have to live with the conquecenses of your discisions, you do.
Then you make your discision on your own, with of course also input from your wife. Taking into account especially if your discisions effect her, becuase if it does then it is a discision you make together.

I do think that setting up a prenup is a good idea. To protect both your and your wife's interests and you do not want your wife in case of divorce to walk away with less then what she had to begin with.

I think your father's obsession with money is understandable if he lived thru very tough times, but I have found out in my father's passing that it was much more important that he leaves is a legacy of love, because all that petty stuff will burns much more later.  It might be a bit unrealistic to think that he will probably not grow out of his obsessions and social ineptitude, because he is seventy years old and might already have brain issues. (contributing to my thoughts on that is the she will never see a dime of my money screaming)

Your mother's lack of "remembering" is understandable as well in that this is how she makes it thru tough times. I can also understand why she would be peeved at her father and brothers for not taking care of her. Because a women needs money and means of her own, and if her brothers got that and she did not that was not a nice legacy to leave here.  No one really wants to have to depend on someone else for their means, especially if that person is not nice to be around.  (It is an unequal power dynamic.)  I personally think that parental assests should be split equally, not based upon marriage. (unless there is one party who is significantly disenfranchised, such as if your father had been someone who treated his wife badly and your mother had to endure that this long of a period, because her brothers did not share their parents inheritance I could see how that would really burn her.)

I mean seriously your parents are in their seventies, how much relevence do they have in your life? You and your wife can be civil to them, but really their relevency to your life as a couple and as an individual should not really be this much, other the love.
 
This is not about confronting your parents, because at least in my experience I doubt they will change.  It is about developing rules about how people are treated around you.  I want to be living with dignity and respect.  It is not about revenge, and trying to keep one uping someone who has offended one, that just mutually pokes out each other's eyes.  If they want your presence in their lives then they need to treat you and other around you with dignity and respect, that also goes for one's spouse treating them with dignity and respect. 
 
It might help your spouse to realize that they are coming from a place of illness (because at the age you have indicated it would be hard to believe that there is nothing wrong) and disenfranchisement, so they might feel an almost childlike sense of abandonment and lack of self power.  They might feel like she is taking you away from them.  They might already feel vunerable due to their age. But they have very little relevence, and no power, in your relationship to her.  It helps not to react,  in certain situations as one can really fly off the handle in an unreasonable manner.

It is really nice to have money, but the legacy that I would want to leave is one of love, not pain at such expense.
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   Posted 12/26/2010 12:35 AM (GMT -6)   
UPDATE.

Unfortunately, because of these events she has gone to her parents house for a week and is decide whether she wants a divorce.

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   Posted 12/26/2010 12:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Good Morning,
 
I am sorry this has turned out to be so sad for you.  I do feel Navy advised you well.
 
I will share with you that I was in the middle of a divorce when my first Father-in-Law was struck with lung cancer and the whole family blamed me for all the stress I had caused.  Being young with 3 small children I took the brunt of all their hateful behavior and comments.  I knew I could not cause cancer in a man who smoked 2 packs of cigarettes for 40 years and in my mind I refused to take on any guilt.  I attended the funeral with my soon to be ex-husband and like your wife he blamed me for all the bad times he had been through in his life. 
 

One of my favorite sayings is “Holding a grudge against someone is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die.” The only person we hurt is ourselves. When we react to negativity, we are disturbing our inner space and mentally creating pain within ourselves. I suspect your wife wants you to choose between her and your parents.

I would ask your wife to sit down and talk with you. If your wife  brings up incidents from past holiday arguments, apologize if necessary and learn what you can do in the future to strengthen your marriage. Resist the urge to defend your parents' behavior and your own behavior. Realize your spouse may have legitimate concerns rather than accusing her of being paranoid or overly sensitive. Here's something you could say, "I'm sorry you felt that I betrayed you in the past. I'm going to try harder from now on to make sure everyone knows you are my first priority. I hope you'll be patient with me because I probably won't get it perfect overnight."

As for your parents I would try to let your wife know that you will be stopping in to visit your parents from time to time, but only out of love you feel for them as your parents. 

Learn to let your parents (and siblings) be upset with you. Just because they may think you or your wife are rude or disrespectful doesn't mean you actually are. Their opinions aren't fact. Draw reasonable boundaries as needed in a respectful manner. Eventually they will learn to accept your new behavior as normal.

You have the ability to bring out the best or the worst in your wife. The next time there is a conflict between her and your parents, take a look at your own behavior and make sure your loyalty is where it should be.

Just my humble opinion as I am not in your shoes but I know you love your wife and I would fight for your marriage.

I wish you the best,

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   Posted 12/26/2010 12:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for your kind words. It means the world to me. THis last incident all revolved around my attempt to stand up for my wife and I. I have talked to her about these things and the first time i stood up for us, about two months ago, she was so proud of me. I just wanted to do the same thing. the only people who blamed me for my fathers attack is my sister, who we no longer have a relationship with and she used to be my best friend, and myself. I was very depressed over this and i think she resents my depression

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   Posted 12/26/2010 9:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the props Kitt!
I also think she has advised you very well, particular with this statement: Realize your spouse may have legitimate concerns rather than accusing her of being paranoid or overly sensitive. Here's something you could say, "I'm sorry you felt that I betrayed you in the past. I'm going to try harder from now on to make sure everyone knows you are my first priority. I hope you'll be patient with me because I probably won't get it perfect overnight."

There is also something to getting help for one's depression, because it also helps relieve the stress on one's support system.

If it helps you to know that if your father is American, he has outlived the average American male.
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   Posted 12/26/2010 9:43 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you so much for your reply. I never tell her she is being overly sensitive or parnoid. I do not know if that is wrong or right because she has gone overboard over many things and i really am not allowed to point this out without a fight. Thank you for the recommendation of what to say. That is really insightful

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   Posted 12/26/2010 10:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Of course you should not point that out in a fight, because that is not validating her feelings and that is really what I am betting the fighting is about, is that at some level she might need you to validating her feelings. At the very least hear, understand, and respect her perspective.

If she goes overboard on something, it is something that she has to realize on her own, in her own self growth.
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   Posted 12/26/2010 10:51 PM (GMT -6)   
thank you very insightful. I do not bring it up when we fight. it starts the fights. There was a brief period where we went out to dinner with my parents a couple times and she actualy once said to me that she had fun. My mom brought up that everyone got along at this point. I did not agree with my mom in front of my mom but i did say to her that you did have a pleasant time in those months. She went balistic. its just so frustrating. I can't even state an opinion. OUr couples therapist, who i truly believe she is disgusted by me, validates all of this behavior. I really do not call her out on much but sometimes i do have to state the obvious. on another topic., this therapist has helped us , but we did the work and so could have a number of therapist. she absolutly adores my wife. she asks her all these questions about her life outside the sessions and seems to care so much and then she looks at me like i am an axe murder. anyone who knows me knows i am nice to a fault. DO i tell her off? can i express this concern to my wife? i fear she would view it as me not liking someone who is tough on me. It is not like that. she clearly hates me. I do not mind a kick in the ass, but she is downright cruel. We see her every other week, and it is like being castrated. she thinks i am a liar, which i am not. SHe no longer even listens to my side of the story. When my wife told me for the first time that she was thinking of divorcing me in this session. she got in my face and told me " that means you have to quit your job, you have to move Ect." she never even thought to hear my side of the story. I thought this was so cruel. My heart was absolutely breaking and she was talking sh$& to me. Is this acceptable? She also calls me "fragile" because i suffer from depression.

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   Posted 12/26/2010 11:16 PM (GMT -6)   
No, I do not think that the therapist getting your face is ok, nor is ok for her to treat you in a cruel manner, but I think that perhaps might be best handled in conjunction with your own therapist that perhaps might be able to advocate for you, especially in a joint session. Because another therapist might be able to call the couple's therapist on the onesidedness issue. That is not your job to confront the therapist, but just let her know that you would feel more comfortable having your therapist there too. From what you discribe I do feel there is a bit of a conflict of interest for your couple's therapist, she is there to advocate for the health of the relationship, and the individuals involved.

Her word choice is not the best. But truth be told I do feel fragile, in part because of my depression.
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   Posted 12/26/2010 11:31 PM (GMT -6)   
I have told my therapist about her and she seems to be disgusted with what happens in therapy. She says i should be more vocal and stand up for myself. I would in a second but i am afraid that it would upset my wife who really values the sessions. there is no way she see what I see in her treatment towards me.

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   Posted 12/26/2010 11:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Part of me wants to ask what are these therapist's qualifications?
If it was me, I really would ask my therapist to join my couple's sessions at least for one session.
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   Posted 12/27/2010 11:12 AM (GMT -6)   
You can do that? I am very afraid that my wife would take that as a negative sign because she loves her. Of course she loves her she agrees with everything she says. I understand and take accountability for my wrongful past actions but she crucifies me

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   Posted 12/27/2010 11:37 AM (GMT -6)   
That isn't right, I like the suggestion of bringing your therapist into the picture.

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   Posted 12/27/2010 3:32 PM (GMT -6)   
i will run it by her. I do not know if she would be up for it but she did want to talk to the couples therapist on the phone and never did. She thinks some of the advise she has given us is a bit off.

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   Posted 12/28/2010 1:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, it can happen. It is called a treatment team, and is mainly used in those cases where castrophic life events have happened.
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   Posted 12/29/2010 12:33 AM (GMT -6)   
I hope it works out for you. Striking the right balance is key. Have your parents always been like this or do they just not like your wife, specifically? I am also a nervous /anxious person and I find that being around my parents too often just makes it worse.

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   Posted 12/29/2010 10:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Angry,

Welcome to the forum. Feel free to start your own thread and introduce yourself if you are comfortable with that. Glad that you joined us.

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   Posted 12/29/2010 11:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Growing up, my parents were not perfect, but who is. They never abused me, they always supported me and loved me. They were always my biggest fans even when i did not believe in my self they did. So yes it upsets me to make them feel bad even though they have devestated my marriage. I think they are co dependent on me and did not want to lose me but by doing that they are losing me. I understand my wife has to be and is my highest priority. But i am not going to disown my parents. The ironic thing is i may if my marriage ends i may stop talking to them. I will at least need to go to family counseling to ever repair what they did to my marriage. I own up to the mistakes i have made but they are responsible for most of the problems. However i think a wife giving such and ultimatum is completely unfair and will only cause tremendous resentment down the road

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   Posted 12/29/2010 2:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Update:
I wrote a very heartfelt email about changes i wish to make in my life and how much i love her. One of the promises was to stand up for myself. Unfortunatly, the person i really have to confront is our couples therapist. She has become my wife's girlfriend and loathes me. When we come in there she always asks my wife all sorts of questions about how this is going and how that is going. She never asks me these things. When I have had a different interpretation of a story, she called me a liar. She does not even aks me what my side of the story is. My wife announced that she might want a divorce in our session and she gave her tissues. It was my first time hearing this and i began to cry too and she gave me nothing. In fact she got in my face and told me that i now have to get a new job and I now have to move. While these things may be true, how do you get into someone face and say these things when they just get that news from out of nowhere. She also said that i proved i can not change. these sessions have really taken a toll on me. I can not communicate with my wife much because she always has her back no matter what. When i go in there i feel castrated. I know i did many wrong things to her, nothing that was abusive and nothing that was intentional, just stuff with my parents. I own up to my mistake all of the time. I am a very kind, nice and loving individual. Most people tell me I am the nicest person they know. I also do not lie. However, I do not know how to explain to my wife that the therapist is being unfair to me.

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   Posted 12/29/2010 2:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Is your couple's therapist also your wife's individual therapist?
 
The reason why I ask is that is a conflict of interest, and a very legit way to say that we need someone who is unbias.
 
Again I want to emphasis that I do not think confronting the therapist is a good idea, in that I think it will make things worse for you with your wfe.
 
The thing is you want someone else in there during your therapy sessions because I am understanding correctly you feel her professional objectivity has been compromised. 
The issue then becomes something for professional review, not for you to confront her about, because unfortunately you not in a great position here and I can really see this blowing up in your face with your wife. 
 
So as much as you may want to react, I would not do it.   This not about a question of your manhood, that is an unshakeable thing.
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   Posted 12/29/2010 2:43 PM (GMT -6)   
If she has become her friend, she is losing all objectivity in the sessions. I recommend a new therapist for you two. This isn't right. She is not being very professional with this situation. Sounds more like your wife's attorney than a couples therapist. I think you should talk to your wife about switching couples therapist and see what she says. If she cares at all, she will see it your way. Let her know that you don't think that this therapist is giving you a fair chance or being objective.

I wish you the best.

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   Posted 12/29/2010 2:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you all so much. This update rehashed a little bit with the therapist.
Update:

Before she left we spent two of her last three nights together, she had plans with her friends to see her new friends house and this was the second day. The first day it was aweful at first. she asked if i wanted to talk and i said i am still shocked and i really do not have anything to say.We then went out to dinner and watched a dvd and we had a blast. On the third day she spent all this time making me a really nice meal. This might be the last time we are ever together for the night so it was emotional but i held it together. Again we had a great time. Then she left for her parents the next morning as scheduled before any of this happened. We have talked almost every day and the conversations are more than pleasant. she always says she loves me. She is now sick and does not know if she is coming home tomorrow as planned. this is when i was going to find out whether we are getting divorced or not. I am hanging in there but it is really tough! I talk to my aunt about it everyday and she has been incredible. I am pissed off at my parents so i really am not talking to them at the moment.
I wrote a very heartfelt email about changes i wish to make in my life and how much i love her.Because she is sick i sent it and did not tell her about it because i do not want to press anything. One of the promises was to stand up for myself. Unfortunatly, the person i really have to confront is our couples therapist. She has become my wife's girlfriend and loathes me. When we come in there she always asks my wife all sorts of questions about how this is going and how that is going. She never asks me these things. When I have had a different interpretation of a story, she called me a liar. She does not even aks me what my side of the story is. My wife announced that she might want a divorce in our session and she gave her tissues. It was my first time hearing this and i began to cry too and she gave me nothing. In fact she got in my face and told me that i now have to get a new job and I now have to move. While these things may be true, how do you get into someone face and say these things when they just get that news from out of nowhere. She also said that i proved i can not change. these sessions have really taken a toll on me. I can not communicate with my wife much because she always has her back no matter what. When i go in there i feel castrated. I know i did many wrong things to her, nothing that was abusive and nothing that was intentional, just stuff with my parents. I own up to my mistake all of the time. I am a very kind, nice and loving individual. Most people tell me I am the nicest person they know. I also do not lie. However, I do not know how to explain to my wife that the therapist is being unfair to me. How can i express this to my wife without her leaving me or going balistic because , of course, she loves the therapist because she is always right in ever situation.

Please, if you can i need happy thought, hugs and prayers...and advice even if it is something i do not want to hear

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   Posted 12/29/2010 2:46 PM (GMT -6)   
oh and no we each have our own therapists for our selves
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