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   Posted 5/14/2011 3:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Yesterday, I wrote to Ruth Whalen regarding her article called "Caffeine Allergy: Past Disorder or Present Epidemic" that appeared on Doctor Yourself.com . I asked specifically if I might quote several of her passages regarding caffeine in the diet of depressed patients, and this was her response: 
 
"Feel free to copy the entire article... Thanks for asking."  I'll select the most relevant parts for you later and post them for your information.
 
She went on to say, "By the way, bipolar disorder doesn't exist.  The symptoms of so-called bipolar disorder are all from brain poisoning, and this was known in 1894.  A neurologist speaks about how governments are injuring brains with chemicals..." She lists a url sight that I'll look into later for you.  She went on, "The chemicals poison the brain first.  The patients don't know because they can't think straight--due to the brain making hallucinogens. "  She gives a link to that which I'll check into for the bipolar folks.
 
Again, she says, "Also, please tell people that bipolar patients have abnormal lab tests--but doctors ignore them.  If they actually told the patients that they have brain poisoning--then they wouldn't have any more patients, because their patients would recover.  No patients.  No money.  So the doctors keep prescribing drugs--more poisons--more brain poisoning."
 
"Same thing with autism, Parkinson's....We live in an inhumane world."
 
"May God Bless."
 
"Sincerely,
 
  Ruth"
 
It makes you want to think a second time about the role of caffeine in the depressed and bipolar patients' lives, doesn't it?  I'll give you the relevant data she wrote about it as soon as I've had a chance to gather it and put it in some form that might interest you.
 
I thought you might be mildly interested in this researcher's work.
She is a laboratory technician in Massachusetts and apparently is well
known enough in her field that her work is all over the internet, she said when giving me one url sight to search for the article I wanted to use in my work for you.
 
about the medications prescribed, however:  I don't know that I can
agree totally with that.  I've had one M.D. tell me that doctors are
searching for the right combination of meds that will do the job for the patient--meaning relieve the symptoms of the illness.  It's all very controversial I would imagine.  Don't worry; science will find the answers to these things very soon.
 
Talk to you all later.
 
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   Posted 5/14/2011 4:30 AM (GMT -6)   
hmmmmmmm very intriguing. i am doing better with less caffeine. unless this is just me having a good day? look forward to your specific research and or findings with bi-polar disorders in particular it's genetic. interesting about the poisoning of the brain.......and i am using 2 toxic medications myself, these being tegretol and lithuim, and i am to be tested monday. of to the pathologist. 4 my sugars and bloods as well. (basics) hdl, u&e fbe, etc. keep us posted. i am eating better as well. fruit and vegies, bread and pasta, carbs-for sugar control but not much meats. too expensive. thx, jamie.

APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU ARE DOING. WITH MUCH THX AND COMPASSION.
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   Posted 5/14/2011 4:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Yes, the caffeine thing is bad news for those of us who are bipolar or
depressive. I've had that confirmed by my psychiatrist; she made it clear to me to avoid tea, chocolate, and coffee, as well as alcohol. "They all make the illness worse," in her words.

By the way, I just finished an article on Vitamin C. It's wonderful for me for removing the toxins built up from medications. It's harmless to the system, according to newest research. (The old wives' tale about it causing kidney stones is not true, and it doesn't put stress on the kidneys, according to the doctor who wrote the article--he worked with Dr. Pauling who was the first serious researcher on C.)

You might wish to ask your pharmacist about a really good ascorbic acid with bioflavinods added--even a timed-release one is excellent. You'll feel better quickly if you take it about three times a day perhaps --I need to say that I'm not a doctor and can say what works for me only.

It's supposed to hit viruses, toxins, and bacteria very hard and in days the body will begin recovery. I should keep it up for best feeling tone.

I'll try to work some on the articles Mrs. Whalen wrote this weekend.

Feel better, Jamiee,

I.G.

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   Posted 5/14/2011 5:26 AM (GMT -6)   
thx for the info. cheers. keep up the good work. will talk to my chemist mon. jamie.
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   Posted 5/14/2011 8:16 AM (GMT -6)   
It's Genetic,

Thanks for the post. Very interesting. It is scarey to think meds can be poisoning us. Especially when somebody like me relies on them so much. But time does tell. I hope that you are having a wonderful day today.

Take care,

Hugs, Karen...

PS Stiff fingers this morning, or I would write more.
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   Posted 5/14/2011 8:38 AM (GMT -6)   
Jamiee, I'm glad you're going to talk to your chemist; the more data we have the more we easily we can put a puzzle together so that it makes sense.

Karen, I think the answers lie somewhere between our needing to take the medications and possibly not needing quite so much each day for some of us. For others, like you who are fortunate to have the exact medications in proper dosage, the answer is reasonable that medications are necessary to manage the chemistry of the brain.

My psychiatrist seems to know that science has narrowed some forms of the chemical imbalances of the brain to an irritation and has said that aspirin relieves some of the symptoms. Her credentials are strong: M.D. from Duke University in Psychiatry, lecturer, etc.

I'm just looking for the coffee aspect of this whole thing, but keep bumping headlong into the chemical aspect of caffeine and its relation to making depression and bipolar illness worse. With so much information regarding it, there must be something to it.

I have a sneaky feeling that along the way I'm going to come to the
succinct conclusion that Gem did that a few depressed folks just needed to "clean up the diet", as she says! She writes intelligently about how her work has led her to study orthomolecular medicine.

The holistic method of treating chemical imbalances may really be
valuable,too,  after all is said and done.

Take care.  Boy, having stiff fingers in your work here is going to have
to be overcome quickly or things will back up on you big time!  Just
kidding, but do feel better soon.

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   Posted 5/14/2011 11:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I just find it ironic that most mental illnesses are preceded by hypoglycemia, thyroid disorders, caffeine abuse, alcohol/drug abuse but rarely are these things checked out in depth before the meds are given. It would make sense to me to check out every physical cause first and then administer meds. Once again I am not knocking meds, just saying that before you go that life long route, rule out every other cause and if you are making the healthy changes you need to make and are still having problems, then add meds to help. Combined you could probably get by on a much smaller dose therefore reducing the side effects and long term damage. A B12 deficiency always makes itself known first in psych issues before you notice anything physical. Medical/Big Pharm are necessary businesses but that is all they are is big business and big money. There is no profit in cheap vitamin/mineral therapies or good dietary commonsense. We all have to decide for ourselves what it right for us. Period.

Thanks for the info, IG. I hope more people tune into helping themselves along with the care of their Dr. To all the caring and compassionate physicians out there, thank goodness for you and to the ones who are just in it to make money and on the next patient-may they never fall off the pedestal and have to walk around down here with the rest of us!

Gem

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   Posted 5/14/2011 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I find that vitamin D3 helps a lot with my mood and energy.

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   Posted 5/14/2011 1:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes it does. I buy the gel caps that are vitamin A & D derived from Fish Oil and when I started taking them regularly my skin cleared up so much. I also poke pin holes in them and rub them on rough dry spots on my skin and it helps immediately. Good for our mature woman bones as well.

Gem

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   Posted 5/14/2011 3:04 PM (GMT -6)   
I like the way you summarize things so well, Gem.  Forgive me for this one, but I think what you're suggesting is that we've got the cart before the horse when it comes to the examination and treatment of depression and bipolar illness: all the other illnesses we probably have need to be corrected before we jump on the wagon for medications for bipolar or depressive illness.  It will work for the most intelligent people who have insight to request that, I feel sure.
 
I take a B12 shot every month and can almost feel the calmness by the time I walk back to my car.

The whole vitamin B series is noted for its beneficial effect on the nervous system. Mrs. Whalen may be right about the toxins that we
try to metabolize with the meds--high quality vitamins and minerals do help some of us replace the ones we utilize in keeping the system clear of toxins as much as possible.
 
Correcting the diet does enable one to lower the dosage of meds.  I've done that and reduced one med to 1/4 the daily recommended dose. 
These discussions by you and Gettingby and Jamie are worth more than any posting we could make regarding diet, except for the few folks who come online who do not know that certain foods are good and others not for their health, as it pertains to depression and bipolar illness as well as maintaining an alkaline state of fluids rather than an acid state.  Hopefully, others will join in on what helps.

I hope you will keep sharing and encouraging folks to "clean up their
diets", as you say, Gem. (I like that one very much.)

So far we've discussed Vitamin B3, B12, value of the whole series of vitamin B, Vitamin C , A, D3, E, and the omega 3 acids. Niacin and Magnesium were mentioned by Gem in an earlier post, I believe, regarding their helpfulness in insuring her rest at night.  Gettingby talked about the fact that lemon in hot water detoxifies the liver. That's a very significant one, I think, because it also relates to the high value of moderate levels of vitamin C intake throughout the day.  Way to go, Ladies!

We're not doctors, I need to add, and what we recommend is based
on our own experience with the value of the supplements and diet changes for each of us.

I.G.

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   Posted 5/14/2011 4:24 PM (GMT -6)   
IT, I take 3,000 mg of vitamin C a day. I have more energy now, I missed the cold going around the office, I do not bruise so easily anymore. Everything I have learned and applied for a consistent period of time has worked great for me. And best of all, depressive symptoms have not reared their ugly head and when stressed I notice I do not over react. I hope it holds, I hope all this helps someone else out there like me.

Never give up on your search for wellness.

Gem

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   Posted 5/14/2011 4:35 PM (GMT -6)   
That's what we're here for, I think., Gem. I hope others willl think about this and add to the data we're compiling.

Thank you so much.

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   Posted 5/14/2011 5:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Your are welcome and always nice conversing with you.

Gem

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   Posted 5/14/2011 5:30 PM (GMT -6)   
I have a friend that has fibromyalgia as I do. She gets vitamin B shots occasionally. She says they help her to feel better. Just thought that I would add this. I will talk to her and find out how she feels better, mentally or physically. I think it is both.

Thanks for starting this wonderful thread It's Genetic, and thanks for chiming in Precious Gem.

I hope that everybody is enjoying the day. It is raining here. But i found mushrooms in the rain!!!

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   Posted 5/14/2011 8:37 PM (GMT -6)   
yeah great thread karen. glad ya found some mushies. what type did you find? cold here but not raining. got some linen dry. cheers, jamie
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   Posted 5/14/2011 9:32 PM (GMT -6)   
They are morel mushrooms. I will email a pic to you.

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   Posted 5/15/2011 7:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Wild mushrooms? Neat! Has been rainy here for several days, only in the 70;s but humidity is so high it feels really uncomfortable already.

This is why I love this forum, it is diverse, interesting, lots of different opinions and always someone to pat you on the back when things go badly.

Have a great day everyone, I will keep my fingers crossed the sun shines brightly today!

Gem

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and u 2 gem !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :------)))))) jamie
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   Posted 5/15/2011 10:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Jamie, Are you doing a bit better today? I know you have been out of sorts lately by your post. I hope you are! Recently discovered Australian Tea Tree Oil, it cleared up some patches in my scalp. Smells strong but works! I used it on hubby's bug bites he got fishing the other day, that stuff is a miracle.

Gem

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   Posted 5/15/2011 11:57 AM (GMT -6)   
I use that and neem oil is good. Especailly for the scalp. You can get shampoo that helps. I use to have tea tree oil bar soap and I have arthritis in my hands, it made the pain go away for awhile.

I hope you have a real good day too Gem, and Jamie.

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   Posted 5/15/2011 1:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Karen, What is Neem oil? I can hardly use commercial shampoos any more, they dry my scalp out so bad, then it itches, etc. Do you get it at a Health Food type store? Is it expensive? I have been using Liquid vitamin E on my face at night and that is great but it is too oily even for my dry hair.

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   Posted 5/15/2011 2:16 PM (GMT -6)   
I get the neem oil shampoo, conditioner and face soap at a health food store. It is kind of expensive. about 12.00 for a 12 oz bottle. But it lasts a long time. It doesn't suds up like most shampoo, though it does have some lather. And you leave it on for a few minutes for it to penatrate the scalp.

Neem oil has antibacterial and fungus qualities. I first got it for my dogs. One of them had food allergies (which it took me a long time to figure out) and I bought it for her where she kept itching herself. It helped but I eventually had to start making her dog food out of roasted chicken and brown rice. It was a lot of work, then I got her probiotics and enzymes to help her. I finally got it under control so she wasn't scratching all of the time. Poor girl was miserable. Would get yeast in her ears and everything. But I have been using neem in one form or another.

I just looked at the bottle and it has a website and a phone number. The shampoo is called theraneem organix shampoo. I will type ou the website here... www.organixsouth.com And the phone number is 1-888-989-6336. I get the scalp therapy kind but they have others with herbal fragrances. Like patchoulli and lavender. All natural. But I am allergic to a lot of plants, so I don't get the scented ones. I can't use Aveda products because they are plant based. Oh well...

I hope that this is helpful.

Take care,

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   Posted 5/15/2011 2:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, thank you very much. I will definitely give it a try. In researching herbals remedies, I came to realize that most medicinal herbs, the common ones most people are familiar with, are all members of the ragweed family. If you are allergic to ragweed, this could cause way more problems than it helps. Have to be so careful.

Thanks for the info.! The sun is finally out, so out I go!

Gem
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