Is anyone having success with natural remedies for depression?

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evangelina88
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   Posted 8/10/2011 12:32 PM (GMT -6)   
Good morning everyone!

Wondering if anyone is having success with natural remedies. I have had some moderate success with the following: fish oil, inositol...hanging upside down on my inversion table, exercising, volunteering and avoiding refined sugar. Also take 5 htp for sleep.

I am not against meds...but would like to avoid. I took effexor for a few years and it had some side effects...affected my memory and my menstrual cycle. Also used to take ativan for anxiety... But on three separate occasions I unknowingly overdosed. I know that sounds strange... but I would take 2 then black out and apparently take a bunch more with no recollection. The last time this happened, I went to the psychiatrist, told him what happened and he prescribed me huge quantities of valium and ambien. He spent a total of five minutes with me and I felt like he handed me a loaded gun. From that point I decided that it was best for me not to have any meds and just go the natural route.

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   Posted 8/10/2011 1:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I am glad that the natural route is working for you. I take supplements but have to take meds too. But hey, if it works... That is good.

That doctor sounds strange. To give you all that valium. I take ambien for sleep and it helps me. But I also meditate and that gets me to sleep. Meditation helps in so many ways. I walk a lot too which is good for you. Cut out soda and switched to lemon water and have been losing weight.

I took effexor and it worked for me for many years, but I was on the highest dose you could take and to take less pills, I switched to pristiq. I only have to take one pill of that a day. Such a relief.

I am just curious, did you have a hard time going off the effexor? I went off of it once (have been on it twice) and the withdrawal effects were horrible. I had to make an emergency trip to the doctor to get me on something to take the side effects of the withdrawal away. I went to serzone from there and eventually back to effexor.

well I am rattling, so I will end here.

I hope that you are having a good day. We have a member named It's Genetic, who goes natural with diet. Maybe she will post some of her experiences for you.

Hugs, Karen
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   Posted 8/10/2011 2:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello, Evangelina88, Welcome to the Depression Forum. In response
to Gettingby's suggestion that I might post to you regarding diet, I'll
be happy to give you the information I know.

You are already off to a good start by eliminating sugar from your diet.
Sugar causes highs and lows that are tension-provoking to the system.
I'm glad to see you taking 5htp for sleep, as well. It's the one that will cross the blood-brain barrier and give you some helpful sleep during
the night.

Next, I would suggest that you remove alcohol and caffeine completely from your diet. Both of them make depression worse. (This is not just an opinion of mine; my psychiatrist advised me to remove both of them from my diet because they do cause depression to be worse.)

In general the foods which are alkaline are better for you because acidic-reacting foods are not as effective in maintaining a calm, stable balance. Please see AlkalineFoods.com to know which foods are ones that are alkaline in reaction. You'd be surprised to know that lemons are one of the most alkaline foods you can enjoy (despite how acidic they taste) You wouldn't think that this could be true, but when undergoing digestion lemons become very alkaline. (It was Socrates who said that foods that we eat that taste bitter are digested as sweet, and foods that we eat that taste sweet are digested as bitter.)

It has been recognized that bipolar illness is caused by an irritation of the brain, but doctors don't yet know why. I know that you are not
bipolar, but I suspect often that depression has an element of irritation, too, that might be helped by creating more alkaline fluids in the system.

Please permit me another word about caffeine: an internet site called
Ruthwhalen.com provides extensive information on the use of caffeine.
I have spoken to her and she has encouraged me to continue to let
guests know about the dangers of caffeine to the brain after extended use.

It is addictive and after the body fluids have been saturated with caffeine (in people who are allergic to it as I am) each additional cup of coffee, tea, or bite of chocolate (or anything else with caffeine in it) acts as a bolus, meaning that it becomes more potent and detrimental to the body. It accumulates in organs (including the brain) and is retained. It does not leave the body as water or other healthy liquids do. You may wish to read her papers on caffeine. (She is still writing.)

You might also wish to checkout the internet site called Acid-reacting foods.com or acidfoods.com to learn which foods are digested as highly acidic. Offhand, I remember that milk products are, some meats are, grains are, and many other foods I can't remember at the moment. The important thing is that we can't remove all the acidic-reacting foods or all the alkaline foods from our diets. We need to aim for a balance on a slightly more alkaline than acidic level. So if you choose to eliminate milk and bread for a few days--not completely--just so that you don't build up an acidic overload to your system, it can be helpful for your body fluid status.

Drink water, please. Purified water is good for you as is distilled water. They both make it easier for the kidneys to function at optimal levels. In addition, distilled water removes unused minerals from the body.
 
All medications are acidic in reaction, so whatever you can do to reduce the acidity of body fluids will help you. If you have an overload of acids in your body, your kidneys will just continue to let it circulate through the blood system until they are able to metabolize them. I hope this makes sense to you.

It's so hard to give up the things we love, and maybe we don't have to do it constantly. Maybe we can do it intermittently enough to keep the fluids of the system more on the alkaline state.

The renowned psychic, Edward Casey, recommended keeping the fluids of the system more alkaline than acidic. The whole body system maintains an habitual alkaline and acid balance regardless of what you eat or drink and that doesn't change. It will even withdraw calcium from you bones in order to do that. I'm not talking about that ph of the system; I'm talking about the fluids and organs of the body.

Your study of the alkaline and acidic-reacting foods will be the best help you can do immediately, along with removing the caffeine and alcohol (which is addictive, as you know) to help you.

I would suggest avoiding any of the artificial sweeteners; they are all highly acidic and one or two of them are known to cause cancer. The only one to date that is not known to be harmful is Stevia. That means that all the carbonated drinks that are all sugar-free are going to contain an artificial sweetener. It may be better for you if you are able to eliminate them unless they have Stevia as a sweetener. (Of course, avoid the ones that have caffeine, please.)

Adding a high-quality multiple vitamin once a day to your diet may be helpful for you just in case something needs boosting.

The use of Vitamin C in divided doses during the day may be beneficial because the human body cannot manufacture vitamin C and it travels
on the same pathway that glucose does. In transit, glucose will win out every time causing a deficiency in vitamin C levels. Vitamin C has
more positive functions in the body than almost all the others. You
might easily find all that information by checking a book from your library on vitamins and their benefits. I take a B-12 shot once each month to make sure I don't miss some nutrients because I'm older, and all older people run a little low on hydrochloric acid which digests meats thoroughly. There is a supplement for that, too, called Betaine Hydrochloride--one writer suggests that anyone over 45 needs to take a supplement.

I hope this helps and that you have a good time learning all you wish
to know about what benefits the system. I have been able to reduce my medications to just 10 mg. of an anti-depressent which I take once in the morning.

When you finish your journey through the texts on this subject, please come back and let us know any additional information to help our
understanding of this each time a scientist finds more data to back up his/her understanding in this matter.

Thank you,

It's Genetic

Post Edited (It's Genetic) : 8/10/2011 2:54:14 PM (GMT-6)


evangelina88
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   Posted 8/10/2011 2:58 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for your response, Karen. I need to learn to meditate. I have tried before and my mind always wanders. Do you have any reading recommendations?

Regarding the effexor, I had a HORRIBLE time going off it. My psychiatrist was of no help...(same one that prescribed valium). He said I was only on a placebo dose of effexor. 37.5 mgs per day which is half of lowest dose. It was absolutely not a placebo for me. I felt happy while on and gained much needed weight. I had to go off because of side effects. It took me eight months to go off using my own plan. The doctor's plan was to take it every other day and then every third day etc. If I had followed that, there would have been no way for me to function. The withdrawal symptoms were soooo bad... Cold sweats, shaking, nausea, paranoia, and the most horrible of all, the brain zaps. Here's how I got off: I counted the tiny beads in one capsule. Their size varied somewhat...but their were approximately 133. I began by dumping one bead PER WEEK...haha! And I kid you not, I could feel it. Gradually I worked to one bead per day until I was down to none. I called psychiatrist and asked him if he wanted to know how I got off. Of course he didn't give two hoots. I told him that nobody ever mentioned anything about how hard it would be to get off this drug before starting. I think people should at least have that information.
My sister takes a very high dose of effexor and has gone off with no problem. She is a heartier person...my system is so sensitive that I can't even get away with drinking any alcohol or coffee.
I hope you are having a wonderful afternoon.
Love
Angie

evangelina88
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   Posted 8/10/2011 3:09 PM (GMT -6)   
I just read your post, It's Genetic. Thank you so much for the wealth of information!

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   Posted 8/10/2011 3:14 PM (GMT -6)   
You're very welcome, evangelina.

Remember to let us know what you find valuable in newer documents,
won't you?

Good luck and good wishes,

It's Genetic

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   Posted 8/10/2011 3:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you for the informative post IG. There are a lot of things I need to illiminate from my diet and lifestyle. I am going slow but sure.

Angie, It is hard to believe that you were on a placebo because you went through what I went through. Plus my emotions were all over the place.

I imagine if you google meditation that it would take you to some sites that sell books. I can't remember the book I used. It was like a little leaflet and it taught me to use a mantra, focus on my breathing and to relax every muscle in your body. Starting at the tip of your head all the way down to the tips of your toes. I can feel the energy going through myself as I think about it. It puts you in such a relaxed state. Plus I read somewhere that even just practicing is doing it. You can definately control anxiety with this, as I do. It helps you to be aware of everything around you. It is like you open yourself up. I hope you find some books. Amazon is a really good place to go. You can even find used books really cheap.

I wish you the best with this. It sounds like you are trying really hard to be healthy in mind and body. That is great. Keep posting and know that we all care about you. I hope that you didn't miss IG's post as you both posted around the same time.

Hugs, Karen
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   Posted 8/10/2011 4:05 PM (GMT -6)   
 Angie, the information I gave you about bipolar illness--which you do not have--was given to me by my psychiatrist, a graduate of Duke University with a medical degree in psychiatry.  She also told me that aspirin will
help relieve the symptoms.  This was discussed many months ago by
members of the bipolar forum who recognized the information as valid.
Sorry to have to come back and confirm the honesty of my statement to you.
 
Thanks for listening.
 
I.G.

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   Posted 8/10/2011 4:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Karen, somehow my ignore posters on the profile section brought up
this file when I opened it to review it. There was apparently a glitch
in the ignore post on this one.

I can't let lies break the integrity of my work here. If you think it's best for me to post elsewhere I will be glad to obey your wishes.

I.G.

Post Edited (It's Genetic) : 8/11/2011 4:24:04 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 8/11/2011 6:15 AM (GMT -6)   
I hace read that bipolar can be caused by inflamation of the brain. I think that is what she means, Now that you have driven a long time member away, are you happy??? I hope so. Elsheimers is inflamartion of the brain too and they recommend ibuproophen. You are picking on IG and it is going to stop. Qiut being so critical of other members. Especially IG. She has been a long time member here and now she is going to leave. That just doesn't seem right to me.

I am not going to repremand her even if she did make a mistake on a post. It is the constant arguing and you don't give up. I am sick of hearing about it. And I am sick of you flaming other members. So please stop, maybe the bipolar forum would be a good fit for you.  It has a different atmosphere.  Have you ever read anything there?  It is a good forum.  People here are depresses and very sensitive  Not so much in BP as they become manic.  It is a faster pace and you might like it better.
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Post Edited (getting by) : 8/11/2011 6:26:58 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 8/11/2011 3:56 PM (GMT -6)   
This isn't a competition. And I came here as a member and will continue to be a member.

I was told by a psychologist that Alzheimers was inflamation of the brain. I have not read up on it since then. It wasn't an issue, just something that she said. I am sorry for the misimformation. I will go to the site and read upon it, and I stand corrected. If something is shrinking, it isn't inflamed.

I dont want to argue, but I would like it if you could drop the issue. I will too. I don't want this forum to have a hostile atmosphere, and us arguing isn't helping things. It is just that this has been a mellow forum. People generally pop in because it is a safe place to come and vent and ask for support. I want it to stay that way.

I don't remember what thread that IG said she was leaving on, but has since posted that her internet is down. I don't agree with either one of yours behavior, but she has emailed me and appologized. And she has since backed off as far as I can see.

I read all of your posts and you are being very supportive of the other members. I am happy for that. You are articulate and you do give good advice. You say what you see and feel. There is nothing wrong with that.

As I said, I will start over if you will. But we both have to drop everything and start from scratch. I think that is fair.
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