Is medication necessary in combating depression ?

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Joyoung
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   Posted 8/23/2012 3:50 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm getting the cart a bit before the horse here, as I've yet to write my feelings/perceptions concerning the depression/despondency I feel.

But I see a bit being discussed concerning "medicating" depression and am curious to ask....

Had been to counsellors in the past and had a couple 'recommend' I speak with family doctor concerning anti-depressants. Also had a friend,who herself in the past had mild depression bouts , suggest it- saying it can "get you over the hump".

I try to go the "all natural" route when possible, steering clear of 'chemicals'(read:drugs). I do understand there are occasions when necessary for those with biochemical imbalances and the like, but... should it always be part of the 'repertoire' in depression treatment?
I mean, some can(are) depressed just through life circumstances, sometimes life just s*cks and one gets stuck in a rut(like me) and needs guidance,direction to get "unstuck" -as much as possible.

Is there too much dependance on being 'medicated' to "make it through"?

I told one counselor I didn't want to walk around like a zombie in a drug induced stupor, if I wanted to just mask feelings I'd drink some wine- taste better and more fun. I may be just too analytical(my nature) , I seek logic - like if one does A,B&C you'll get a given result.

Please understand I'm not trying to 'step on toes' and realise there are those who need such as stated but so many want you to 'pop a pill' and just move on...

Opinions/suggestions welcome...

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   Posted 8/23/2012 4:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Seeing a doctor for an opinon is important.

It all depends on how long the person has been depressed, what is causing the depression and if there are other factors involved.

Depression can be enviromental and/or chemical inbalance in the brain.

It is important to know what you are dealing with.
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   Posted 8/23/2012 4:51 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't really think that there are many who want to "pop a pill" and move on. There are many who don't want to take medication and actually need to. I for instance, have a chemical embalance and need medication where there are some who have situational medication. I am sure there are a few, as you suggested, though that don't want to work through it and hope medication will take it away. Nobody wants to be depressed.

If you have had a lot of  counselors telling you to seek doctor's help, maybe you should. Taking medication doesn't necessarily make you a zombie. If it does, you are on the wrong medication.

Speaking of wine, alcohol makes you more depressed, so if you are drinking, that could be the source of your depression. I only said that because of the way that you mentioned it.

Exercise and eating right can help with depression. There are also supplements that can help. But if you are being told you may need medication and you are actually depressed, I would take it into consideration. But realistically, your comment about popping a pill, I don't see it. Not on a large scale.

I hope that you feel better soon.

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Post Edited (getting by) : 8/23/2012 5:43:20 PM (GMT-6)


Michael In NY
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   Posted 8/23/2012 5:54 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm fairly new to depression.  I've decided on an all natural approach.  Primary Care Doctor strongly supports this approach.   
 
1.  Healthy Diet with emphasis on fruit, vegetables, salads, fish, legumes, whole grains.
 
2.  Exercise.  I'm walking 8 to 10 miles a day.
 
3.  Therapist.
 
4.  Supplements:  Stress Formula (with 26 ingredients).  Mood Formula with GABA, Taurine,
     L-Theanine, Holy Basil, Reflora.  25 mg DHEA.  400 mg Magnesium Glycinate. 
     Daily Multi Vitamin.  I just ordered SAMe 200 mg. 
 
I just started this regimen and so far so good.  I'm so hoping that I will continue to be successful. 
 
 
 
 

Joyoung
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   Posted 8/23/2012 7:27 PM (GMT -6)   
BnotAfraid said...
Seeing a doctor for an opinon is important.

It all depends on how long the person has been depressed, what is causing the depression and if there are other factors involved.

Depression can be enviromental and/or chemical inbalance in the brain.

It is important to know what you are dealing with.


Thank you BnotAfraid,point well taken concerning the doctor. As I wrote, was suggested to me and will probably go if for no other reason to satisfy my curiosity of what would be prescribed.

Still will be going a 'natural' route:)

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   Posted 8/23/2012 7:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Joyoung,

Everyone is different and it really depend on what type of depression you have. Some people just need therapy. I tried therapy and counseling to no avail.

I have a chemical imbalance, so I have to take antidepressants. I fought taking them for most of my life. I finally broke down and went to my doctor when i couldn't stop crying. I can't imagine now why I was so silly about taking them.
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   Posted 8/23/2012 7:56 PM (GMT -6)   
getting by said...
I don't really think that there are many who want to "pop a pill" and move on. There are many who don't want to take medication and actually need to. I for instance, have a chemical embalance and need medication where there are some who have situational medication. I am sure there are a few, as you suggested, though that don't want to work through it and hope medication will take it away. Nobody wants to be <nobr><a id="FALINK_3_0_2" class="FAtxtL" href="#">depressed</a></nobr>.

If you have had a lot of <nobr><a id="FALINK_2_0_1" class="FAtxtL" href="#">counselors</a></nobr> telling you to seek doctor's help, maybe you should. Taking medication doesn't necessarily make you a zombie. If it does, you are on the wrong medication.

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Exercise and eating right can help with depression. There are also <nobr><a id="FALINK_1_0_0" class="FAtxtL" href="#">supplements</a></nobr> that can help. But if you are being told you may need medication and you are actually depressed, I would take it into consideration. But realistically, your comment about popping a pill, I don't see it. Not on a large scale.

I hope that you feel better soon.

Hugs, Karen...


Hi Karen, and believe me, not trying to offend and none intended( saw your response before edited)- the last thing I want to do. I just get the sense at times some find it easier to 'medicate the patient' (I'm writing of some therapists) instead of 'getting down and dirty' to work a situational depression through. I understand there are those,as I stated initially, that have biochemical causes for their depression and need medication- not writing of those cases.
I do know what it's like to have someone use a term or phrase in a derogatory manner, such as a person telling me "you must have missed your happy pill today"(snicker) because of my demeanor at that moment - not too helpful~

Naw, I'm not a drinker, though I do enjoy wine on occasion and such has never been a problem for me. Reason I used it to illustrate a point in post above. I also know how alcohol can trigger and exacerbate emotions, I saw it first hand in my father (and in some of his brothers), no fun being 10 yrs. old and getting jacked up by a drunk against the wall threatened with having to "fight the old man" to prove you are a man. And this from a "professional man", who on the outside exude confidence and success, but was really a "functioning alcoholic" (used to be known as "closet alkies"). But I digress...

Am trying the "natural" route first, still in trial stages ...

Thanks for your input Karen, much appreciated(and ya got me to state a little of me past, as painful as much is)

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   Posted 8/23/2012 8:06 PM (GMT -6)   
JB1 said...
Hi Joyoung,

BnotAfraid is right. The decision to take medication depends on a person's situation. Depression is a difficult illness to understand as some people don't need to take medication to control it, but others do. Everyone's circumstances is different. I know some people who are able to control or deal with their depression through diet and exercise (running, yoga, etc). In fact, my psychiatrist was adamant that I try exercising first before prescribing me medication. He (my psychiatrist) was one of the few doctors, that I ever met, who wholeheartedly believed that medication is a last resort.

On the flip side, I know people, who despite diet and exercise, need to take medication. Again, it all depends on a person's situation like BnotAfraid said. Anyway, you might want to try exercise or diet (if you haven't already) to help you deal with your depression. Are you seeing a therapist? Sometimes, just talking to a therapist helps. Good luck.



Hiya JB1,

You've got a good doctor. Sounds like one into seeking prevention and not just treating symptoms.

I do exercise a bit, I'm quite active and stay in shape(and appear younger than my yrs-I'm 54) Never tried yoga but have been interested in it as of late , so if you have any suggestions for a "beginners guide" or approach -feel free, I'm all ,er..eyes(ears doesn't work too well when all is in print:)

Not seeing a therapist at this time, money issues. I wished my last one worked on a sliding scale but he doesn't. Talking ," releasing some steam" , does help...as writing does for me too.

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   Posted 8/23/2012 8:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Michael In NYC said...
I'm fairly new to depression. I've decided on an all natural approach. Primary Care Doctor strongly supports this approach.
1. Healthy Diet with emphasis on fruit, vegetables, salads, fish, legumes, whole grains.

2. Exercise. I'm walking 8 to 10 miles a day.

3. Therapist.

4. Supplements: Stress Formula (with 26 ingredients). Mood Formula with GABA, Taurine,
L-Theanine, Holy Basil, Reflora. 25 mg DHEA. 400 mg Magnesium Glycinate.
Daily Multi Vitamin. I just ordered SAMe 200 mg.

I just started this regimen and so far so good. I'm so hoping that I will continue to be successful.


Hello Michael,

I lived in NYC at one time meself (Brooklyn) and spend years on "the Island".

I've found walking and hiking to be great stress relievers - not to mention keeping one in shape:)

I Like your formulas, do you purchase ready made or are you mixing them? Interested in trying something like this myself.
Best in your endeavours and continued success - John

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   Posted 8/23/2012 8:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Kaely said...
Hi Joyoung,

Everyone is different and it really depend on what type of depression you have. Some people just need therapy. I tried therapy and counseling to no avail.

I have a chemical imbalance, so I have to take antidepressants. I fought taking them for most of my life. I finally broke down and went to my doctor when i couldn't stop crying. I can't imagine now why I was so silly about taking them.


Hi Kaely,

Pleasure ,and thanks for the input. I know what you mean, I fight taking any meds (but ironically HAVE to now after 2 stents in my heart, another story- darn genetics..)

Will eventually go the doctor route to see possibilities, but really not my preference. For those with biochemical causes I understand .

Do you receive any side effects form your medication, I'm curious ?

Thanks - John

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   Posted 8/24/2012 5:20 AM (GMT -6)   
I am truly sorry about your past. My mother was an alcoholic, schitzophrenic and bipolar. It was hard for me too. I know what you went through. It is scarey especially when you are little. Not a fun childhood. But we get beyond that in time. I take meds for chemical embalance. I will have to take them for the rest of my life. Not fun when you think about it, though we never do know what is going to happen in the future.

I editted my post because I didn't like the way it sounded. I was a little thrown off by your post, but when I reread it I understood it more. You are basically just asking a simple question. Some people can fight depression without medication and I hope that you can. Nobody wants to take it. And knowing you have to for the rest of your life can be quite concerning. I hate that thought. So it is back to one day at a time.

Keep posting...

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   Posted 8/24/2012 7:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi John,

I agree with the other posts. Medication may be necessary as well as may not be necessary for fighting depression depending on certain factors. Some people can fight it without medication while others may need it. It all depends on the person and their depression. I've been fighting depression without medication for the past few months. However, I'm seeing a therapist who helps me a lot.

I agree with Karen. If your therapist informs you that you need to see a doctor, you should to get an opinion and maybe they will be able to help you better.

Medication may work for some people while someone else may be able to combat depression without medication.

If you tried the natural route but it's not working, maybe you can talk to your doctor or therapist about medication.

Hope this helps.

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   Posted 8/24/2012 9:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi John,

Everyone is different, so my side effects may not be the same as what you may get, if you get any at all.

I take Celexa and at first I was really tired during the day. I switched to taking it at night and that took care of that.

Also, when I first took an antidepressant I was put on Lexapro and didn't notice any side effects at all.

What I DID notice was that my life became bearable. I didn't feel like I was moving through molasses. I stopped dreading every day of my life.

Worth it.
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   Posted 8/28/2012 9:56 AM (GMT -6)   
My Apologies for interrupting this thread. I am new here and am just reading different threads. BUT I had to post when I seen Kaely posted "I didn't feel like I was moving through molasses." OMG!

That is the closest I have heard to how I feel! I always express it that I am walking through thick mud. Every step is such an effort!
I am on Cymbalta 60 mg. I tried it for 5 weeks - nothing! I stopped for 4 weeks and tried another one (sorry cant recall name begins with a e) and nothing! Dr talked me into going back on Cymbalta. I have been on it again for 1 week. I sure hope it kicks in SOON!

Again my apologies for going off subject.

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   Posted 8/28/2012 1:49 PM (GMT -6)   
Truivia,

It often takes six to eight weeks for an antidepressant to reach full potential. Give the next medication that long before giving up. The healing process is really gradual. It could take months before you feel better, but you will.

Best wishes to you to feeling better.

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   Posted 8/28/2012 10:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Truivia said...
My Apologies for interrupting this thread. I am new here and am just reading different threads. BUT I had to post when I seen Kaely posted "I didn't feel like I was moving through molasses." OMG!

That is the closest I have heard to how I feel! I always express it that I am walking through thick mud. Every step is such an effort!
I am on Cymbalta 60 mg. I tried it for 5 weeks - nothing! I stopped for 4 weeks and tried another one (sorry cant recall name begins with a e) and nothing! Dr talked me into going back on Cymbalta. I have been on it again for 1 week. I sure hope it kicks in SOON!

Again my apologies for going off subject.




Hi Truivia!

Hey, you're not interrupting At All ! It's about medication and you're addressing such:)

Besides in casual conversation don't people veer off main topic to something related? Sure they do,happens all the time.

"Walking through thick mud" ,eh? I express it walking in lead filled shoes (or cement boots) , just plodding through life and the day.

My best to your success in healing..."steady as she goes,Captain..."

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   Posted 9/2/2012 10:42 AM (GMT -6)   
I am going to throw a cat among the pigeons because I do not believe that medication is the answer to depression. Medication is a mask to disconnect you from the depression the same way a pain killer doesn't really stop the pain but disconnects you from it. I believe in treating the body holistically and many physical symptons are a result of unresolved mental tension/trauma some even going as far back as birth if not before.

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   Posted 9/2/2012 3:01 PM (GMT -6)   
I have a chemical embalance and medication is what works for me. It is not a mask or a cop out. It does work for some of us. Just my humble opinion.

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   Posted 9/3/2012 12:43 AM (GMT -6)   
Indigo while I find your post a bit offensive, I'll keep my opinion of 'holistic' medicine to myself because everyone is different and I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from getting help in the way that works for them.

Same as Karen, I have a chemical imbalance. I've tried everything else for my depression and nothing else works. Everyone is different. Some of us do need meds for our depression.

Post Edited (Kaely) : 9/3/2012 12:51:17 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 9/3/2012 12:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Truivia,

Hang in there! Give the meds 6-8 weeks to work. If they still aren't working or not working well enough tell your doctor so he/she can adjust your dosage or change meds. Don't suffer in silence.

I was lucky and hit on the right med on the second try. You just have to remember that everyone is different. What works for others may not work for you and vice versa.

Oh and welcome to the forum :)
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   Posted 9/5/2012 10:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Kaely said...
Indigo while I find your post a bit offensive, I'll keep my opinion of 'holistic' medicine to myself because everyone is different and I wouldn't want to discourage anyone from getting help in the way that works for them.

Same as Karen, I have a chemical imbalance. I've tried everything else for my depression and nothing else works. Everyone is different. Some of us do need meds for our depression.


Hello Kaely,

It is not my intention to cause offense and I do not understand how anyone can find my post offensive. It is an opinion that I hold based on my career and life experience.

From your post I also assume you have a negative opinion on holistic alternatives and its not one of the everything you have ever tried firsthand.
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