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Lynnwood
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   Posted 6/3/2016 1:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Last summer I was diagnosed with "pre-diabetes", and given Metformin. Been trying to make things better ever since... didn't have a good reaction to the Metformin so haven't taken it for months.

I've finally gotten pretty good at bypassing the "prepared" carbs & sugars. Sticking to clean protein, fruits and vegetables - avoiding the starchy fruits/vegetables. I've increased my exercise from 3 days a week at the gym, doing strength training & light cardio, to add 3 days of pure cardio - walk/run 30-60 minutes.

I feel better and my blood sugar numbers are better.

My frustration? I'm not loosing any weight. I feel trimmer, and some of my slacks fit a little better, but no real size or weight changes. My BMI is 29.1, where obesity officially starts at 30.0.

One friend is convinced I don't eat enough. I suppose I could count calories, but I confess when I've tried that before it drives me crazy and really increases my stress level. I suppose I could try harder with this...

Could adding the metformin help with weight loss?

I know there are no magic bullets, and the 40 lbs I've put on in the last 10 years is mostly the result of prednisone which I no longer have to take (haven't taken in 3-4 years). Plus I'm 56 & some weight magically arrived with menopause, I presume.

Any thoughts anyone has would be helpful. Or even if you just want to cheer me on, that would help as well! lol
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Lanie G
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   Posted 6/3/2016 2:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Lots of people say metformin helped them lose weight, especially when they first started taking it but I didn't. My blood sugar improved though.

Maybe you're losing fat but gaining muscle so some clothes may fit better and you feel trimmer. And muscle weighs more than fat. I am sure that your activity at the gym is improving your blood sugar and eventually you'll see some kind of loss. At the very least you'll be more toned and stronger.

I've also heard the idea that if you don't eat a lot, then you will get to a plateau in weight loss so you should eat more. I honestly don't know what to tell you. You could try eating more protein and salads.

Wish I could help more. I hope others may have some advice. But in the meantime, don't give up what you're doing because your overall health is really benefiting.
Lanie

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Lynnwood
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   Posted 6/3/2016 2:51 PM (GMT -7)   
lol.

Not sure I *could* eat more protein and salads!!! That's about all I'm eating!!

Thanks.

theHTreturns...
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   Posted 6/3/2016 9:07 PM (GMT -7)   
rabbit food eh? now, got to get to know how many calories to eat each day to burn fat. I burned 40kilos once. took nearly a yeah, but I cut out all sugars and fats and sat only on 1200 calories a day. a dietician or trainer can help with this, and yes, to burn fat ya got to eat more. I was a trick and speed skater and prolific cyclist in my day, not liycra wearing, thus I have legs like tree trunks, and strong upper body, but got the gut. the correct exercises are important, as some as mentioned will build more muscle, this goes with it, however a tailored program sounds something like you need. I did this with a trainer. keep well.
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Lynnwood
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   Posted 6/4/2016 4:52 AM (GMT -7)   
Yeah, my gym time is spent with a trainer - been doing that on & off for 40 years or so. Used to be a marathon runner before Lupus took that kind of sustained exercise out of the picture. Was knocked back to a very low level of fitness when Lupus was bad, have slowly (but steadily) built things back up over the last 5 years.

I guess I have to count calories. I hate food in the first place - gotta' gather it, prepare it, eat it, clean up after it... ugh. Now count all of it as well seems overwhelming. But I suppose if others have managed it I should be able to put my mind to it and get it done.

Already cut out sugars (goodbye, my dear Dr Pepper), eat fairly low fat. Fish, chicken, turkey mostly. Some beef, not fatty cuts. Cheese has crept back in, need to phase that back out I suppose. Nuts in moderation to supplement protein, mostly almonds. Soy sometimes, not often. Never have used salad dressings & that sort of stuff, so no extra hidden calories there. Wish my PCP had more resources to recommend...

All the dieticians & similar I've ever seen want to sell me vitamin supplements of various kinds. Have y'all encountered this? I'll take supplements if tests show I'm short on something, but not too fond of those who seem to randomly throw out supplement suggestions.

Thanks.

eat2bwell
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   Posted 6/4/2016 6:00 AM (GMT -7)   
If you are looking to lose weight might try intermittent fasting. Weight gain is the result of high insulin. The intermittent fasting will lower your insulin level. When you eat all the time you spike your insulin all day. Don't have to change what you eat are how much you eat. Just change the timing of eating. I am not overweight but practice intermittent fasting as a way of having good health. In the past I was skipping breakfast but now I skip breakfast and lunch and only eat dinner. I am not overweight so it is harder for me to lose weight. I am a 5' 8" male who weighted 150 lbs. I have been skipping lunch for one month and have lost 10 pounds. If you find it difficult just start with skipping breakfast. After you are comfortable with that you can move lunch to a later time. Eventually you will be able to eat once a day. You do not have to follow this all the time. On the weekends I have social events where I eat more than once a day but occasionally doing this is not a problem. Dr. Fung tell us intermittent fasting will help address the insulin resistance of type 2 diabetes.

Lanie G
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   Posted 6/4/2016 8:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Lynnwood, maybe you can eat more nuts like almonds and wanuts. I think their fats are good fats and the amount you would get is beneficial and probably wouldn't be a factor in weight gain. Try adding a hard-boiled egg, mozzarella string cheese, and raw broccoli and cauliflower, and celery for roughage. Maybe they would help change some metabolism issues. Have you noticed all the maybes? I'm trying to find something different for you to eat if you're not already eating them. Also, try eating a snack of any of those before you go to the gym.

I have read that using interval training is helpful for charging up the body. For example, on the treadmill walking or jogging as fast as you can for a minute or two, then normal walking for a minute or two, and repeat for the time you're normally on the treadmill, extending the times till you're up to about five minutes fast, then five minutes normal. And a final cool-down or several minutes. Another different idea about hand weights is not to have a minute or so of recovery between sets. And with that, using heavier weights first, next set, lighter, next set, still lighter. For example, start with 12 reps with a 12lb hand weight, then immediately 10 reps with a 10lb weight and so on down to a 5 or 2 lb weight one after another. And stretch afterwards. (Run this by your trainer.)

As a woman who won't see 60 again, I feel it's important to have strong muscles.

I'm not sure I would recommend fasting in any regularity.
Lanie

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Lanie G
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   Posted 6/4/2016 2:39 PM (GMT -7)   
Well, this has me thinking. From the very beginning of my own journey with diabetes I've lost a total of about 22 pounds and I'm stuck now, been stuck for awhile but I'm not as concerned as I used to be. First of all, I know I'm eating more wisely all around, not just because of cutting out the carbs, and I'm stronger than I was before because of the weight and resistance training I took up when this all came upon me 10 years ago.

I had a blip earlier this year with an abnormal EKG which ultimately led to more EKGs, an ECHO and a nuclear stress test after seeing a cardiologist. He said my heart is normal, no blockages or damage but I will see him again in a few months just to make sure this continues. Lots of things went through my head, I can tell you that, not the least of which was that I'm mortal! Gee, I thought all this happened to other people... However - I also know that diabetes can cause heart damage and I do have high blood pressure although it's controlled but who knows how long my blood sugar had been elevated before my doctor finally prescribed the blood sugar meter which was my wake-up call. Damage may have started years ago and is just coming to the surface. I don't want to have my head in the sand but I also am continuing to be proactive about my health.

So, yes, I also would like to lose another 20 pounds but right now I'm concentrating on how I'm eating, my blood sugar, and my activity level (while not hurting myself as I did when I was not using the ET correctly and ended up with bursitis - now, that along with a sciatic nerve problem, was a few treks through hell and back).

I guess I want to say to you not to be discouraged about not losing weight right now. Know that you're eating right and working your body so it's healthy. You're doing everything right and your health is benefiting!
yeah
Lanie

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Lynnwood
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   Posted 6/4/2016 7:26 PM (GMT -7)   
I've switched from a protein bar & Dr Pepper for breakfast to eggs, a small amount of Gatorade, and a caffeine pill. I generally roll out of bed, eat, and head straight to the gym or for a walk/run. The day starts between 8:30-9:15.

Lunch is about 1-1:30. Leftovers from the night before or protein & raw veggies, trying to stick to higher fiber veggies & am definitely eating the ones you suggest. If no leftovers, protein might be nuts, cheese, or a whey protein powder. (If I get nuts besides almonds I tend to binge on them, so they aren't welcome in this house!)

A piece of fruit in the late afternoon as needed, around 4ish.

Dinner around 6-6:30. Fish, chicken, pork chop, fresh veggies, with veggies more likely cooked in the evening. A piece of fruit for dessert.

Yeah, my walk/runs are basically the fast/slow intervals you mentioned. Strength training is a combination of fast intervals & higher weight intervals. It's different every day, which is what I pay a trainer for. After all these years, I know how to do it myself, but he adds the variety in both intensity and weight that I need.

No way am I going to fast for multiple meals. From everything I've read, that's horrible for diabetes, and will only make my per-diabetes, or "metabolic syndrome" worse. I think the goal is supposed to be to keep blood sugar fairly regular. And even if fasting was a good idea, I couldn't do it because of my chronic illness (Lupus) - it demands food & rest at regular intervals.

40 kilos in a year, Turtle!! Good for you. I only need to loose about a third to a half of that - 30-40 lbs. Just can't seem to get it to budge. When I do count calories it's around 1200-1300.

Anyway, thanks everyone for the support. I'm really working hard at this, and I'm really not eating junk or slacking off on activity ... cross your fingers that my metabolism gets the message SOON!

theHTreturns...
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   Posted 6/4/2016 7:43 PM (GMT -7)   
most of the weight is back. yeah, other co morbidities and conditions, I certainly here ya. slow and steady wins the race. sometimes the go hard or go home mentality, something I use, is nowadays more like, today is a good day type thing. you know I am still kicking and screaming, so it is always a good day. keep strong.
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   Posted 6/5/2016 7:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Remember that as you exercise, whether cardio or resistance, you are building healthy muscle and losing fat. Muscle weighs more than fat, so initially some people actually gain weight when dieting and working out. Every trainer I've ever worked with has said "check how your clothes are fitting and if you've had to go to a smaller size. This is more indicative of progress than weight loss." If your pants are getting looser, you're doing well.
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eat2bwell
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   Posted 6/11/2016 8:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Dr. Oz had a show talking about the Ketogenic diet. This diet was used to treat type 2 diabetes before the drugs. It has help some people to lose weight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq6W2JYSOiY

Lanie G
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   Posted 6/11/2016 12:17 PM (GMT -7)   
The "ketogenic" diet is a low-carb diet and it's also high fat depending on if you actually follow certain variations of it.

It's been long-proven that low-carb eating will help keep blood sugar lower and this is something every diabetic needs to realize, and something we always discuss here. Although we do need fats in our diet, I don't eat a high-fat diet. All fat is high in calories and that's something to consider.
Lanie

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MusicForLife
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   Posted 6/13/2016 7:45 AM (GMT -7)   
Can you talk to your trainer about specific exercises to lose weight? I wonder if Lanie is right and perhaps specific exercises are helping you gain muscle, not so much lose weight.
I totally get your frustration! You're working out (hard!) and eating well, what gives?
Good luck!

Lynnwood
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   Posted 6/16/2016 9:13 AM (GMT -7)   
BZZZ. Thanks for playing! Not a heavy muscle vs light fat issue.

I've been measured on a Tantia scale - uses bioelectrical impedance analysis to analyze body composition. No changes in weight, fat mass, or muscle mass.

Still feeling discouraged. :(

Lanie G
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   Posted 6/16/2016 1:09 PM (GMT -7)   
I understand. Have you spoken to the training who's working with you?
Lanie

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eat2bwell
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   Posted 6/27/2016 12:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Dr. Dowd talks about how vitamin D effects insulin and why it is important for weight loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CVoPwRSjkM

Cathy0211
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   Posted 9/3/2016 1:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Lynnwood,
Have you tried eating gluten free or at least mostly? I have gone gluten free out of solidarity for my daughter and have lost a lot of weight without trying to.
Just a suggestion because it worked for me. I have also heard it has worked for others trying to lose weight. It might be worth a try.
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