It's official- magnesium DOES make my pain worse. So odd! Why!

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Evanescent Eden
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   Posted 3/16/2014 9:21 PM (GMT -7)   
It's official... I have done enough trial and error, journaling, gradual dosage changes over time... I always suspected that it made me worse... but now I see for sure that magnesium certainly DOES make my body hurt severely! (My pain is always off the charts, but magnesium seems to SOMEHOW make it feel even worse, just when I didn't think it was possible to feel any worse)!!!

So odd! I know magnesium is supposed to help with pain... FMS... headaches... etc. I wonder why I get such a terrible reaction to it?

It seems that this is common with me though. Something is supposed to help-- and helps many others like me-- and yet, it makes me much much worse. Weird?

Anyone know anything about this? My body just does not seem to like ANYTHING that I put into it-- no matter how healthy that 'something' is supposed to be!

You guys have been wonderful!! Thnx in advance!

Eden :-)
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ak angel
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   Posted 3/16/2014 11:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Normally My body rejects everything too, but not magnesium. Magnesium has done great for me. This is why we tell new ones that we all react different to treatments and meds. I know Dr's look at me funny because I usually have all the weird side effects that rarely happen in a drug. Lol

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   Posted 3/17/2014 12:00 AM (GMT -7)   
Our bodies need magnesium. It is required in over 300 bodily functions with our muscles and also with our bones. Magnesium is found in foods we eat, also, so maybe it's something else that's giving you excessive pain or maybe it's the binder in the magnesium product you are taking.

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-998-MAGNESIUM.aspx?activeIngredientId=998&activeIngredientName=MAGNESIUM

Have you tried magnesium malate? It's easily absorbed and has malic acid in it. Malic acid is found in apples. Studies have shown this helps with muscle pain.

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Rockon
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   Posted 3/17/2014 5:18 AM (GMT -7)   
I have read of magnesium causing a so-called paradoxical effect for some people, and making them too awake at night, if they take it later in the day. So I guess as with everything else, we're all different.

I might suspect fillers in the magnesium. Hard to be sure tho. Hopefully you tried a reputable company's version. Magnesium does come in different forms. One person said it never did anything for her---until she tried magn. taurate, which prolly is not what most people reach for. Some forms of magn are useful, but some are not.

What I read on a forum, but never verified, is that magnesium malate is actually malic acid with just one magnesium ion attached to the side of each malic acid molecule, if I am remembering this right. (The suffix -ate means something technically is a salt, which magnesium is.)

I think that same someone said that the magnesium helps to transport the malic acid. A couple of malic acid studies have been done in fibro, so you might like it as others here have. (Not strictly a form of magnesium---more a form of malic acid, but it does have some Mg.)

Some take both a magn and magn malate, but if you do decide to do both, I would suggest starting with the Mg malate. Then later gradually add some magnesium, doing any dose increases only on an every other day basis, until you figure out the uppermost dose range for yourself. And I wouldn't ever take a whole Mg pill right off the bat, if also on Mg malate, cuz it might be too much with the two together, and give you GI distress. Loose bowels, or even the runs, maybe even burning in the gut?

I have seen another fibro patient say he thought he had a negative reaction to magnesium. But he doesn't tolerate much of anything. Plus some of us have gut problems, &/or absorption issues. Some people prefer to use magnesium oil sprays, which from what I've read aren't really an oil. Some people make their own. i think one lady uses magnesium chloride flakes to make hers. And some like epsom salt baths---again, a magnesium "salt".

There are patients who just have to have IV magnesium. Some (and prolly not all) of the ME/CFS specialists seem more willing to do that. In one article I read the CFS dr said her patients really need it IV (an ME/CFS doctor).

Post Edited (Rockon) : 3/17/2014 7:09:36 AM (GMT-6)


Sherrine
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   Posted 3/17/2014 5:48 AM (GMT -7)   
The magnesium malate I take has 433 mg (108%) of magnesium and 2.5 g of malic acid (as magnesium malate and malic acid). It is basically magnesium. Magnesium comes in other forms...the cheapest is magnesium oxide. Only about 20% of the magnesium is absorbed by the body with this product.

Magnesium malate is a compound of magnesium and malic acid. Malic acid is found in apples. From what I read, because the malic acid is attached to the magnesium. The body recognizes it as a food and it is one of the easiest forms of magnesium to be absorbed. It also doesn't cause digestive upsets like other forms do. Magnesium can cause diarrhea so you do have to start out slowly when you first take magnesium but magnesium malate causes the least amount of issues in this area. I have Crohn's disease and didn't have any problems with this product. I use the Source Naturals brand from Puritan.com. and it has helped me a lot.

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Wackers34
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   Posted 3/17/2014 9:02 AM (GMT -7)   
I take magnesium malate - helped at first but no longer seems to do anything - i had a blood test in hospital recently and my levels were within normal range..i must absorb things quite well as my vit d levels were high after supplementing for a bit, calcium high, etc etc

I am actually considering stopping it - as i feel it might be contributing to my insomnia - in fact I am on a lot of supplements and am wondering if i need to stop most of them now xx
Diagnosed with Fibromyalgia in March and now looking for friends to help me in my fibro journey :o)

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   Posted 3/17/2014 9:36 AM (GMT -7)   
I hear you, Eden. Sorry you've got this complication - as if you needed that!

I've been realizing that my gut doesn't seem to like any vitamins or supplements at all....I'm in the process of figuring out which, if any, I can actually get away with. (I get the burning, the bloating - ugh.) My doctor didn't seem surprised - he just said yes, some people simply can't tolerate them. He also says that any med, or supplement, can have any effect at all in the right (or wrong) person.

Guess I'm going to have to try to get more of my nutrients from food...of course, my gut is very picky there, too.

Many years ago, I was going to a Chinese Medicine doctor who was treating me with herbs and accupuncture. His formula gave me a migraine almost immediately ~ which he thought was bizarre because the active ingredient, Austragalus, should only be helping my immune system.

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Evanescent Eden
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   Posted 3/17/2014 3:23 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks, everyone! I usually use the NatureMade brand. A massage therapist I was seeing for a while agreed that this is usually a good brand.

Well, I have a lot of stomach and gut issues. Some very severe. A chiropractor suggested leaky gut syndrome to me (which I suspected yrs ago-- but did not know how to go about "fixing" it)... but also lots of bleeding from the bowels for about 3 yrs now blush... not DX... history of Ulcerative Colitis in my family... anyway, it's very possible I don't absorb things well. And I am very sensitive to everything I take... vitamins, supplements, medications, foods, etc.

Acheybody, I get the burning and bloating, too... but these problems are daily for me... but vitamins and supplements seem to make it even worse!

Ak angel, I don't take any medications whatsoever, but back when I did, I would always get the rare side effects... ha... it's very scary. Not to mention, I get allergic reactions from a majority of them (many food allergies too). While taking psych meds especially, I would get life-threatening, rare side effects!!! Hence why I don't like medications. I wish I could just legally use medical marijuana, honestly!

But it seems to run in the family... I forget what med it was, but when my mom's lung cancer was gradually killing her, the doctor prescribed her a "last resort" med... but she said it was not even that dangerous of a drug, there is a *very* rare chance of it destroying all red blood cells!! But the doc said she's never actually seen it in anyone the whole time she has been an oncology doc; it is VERY rare. She said she has seen the drug save a majority of patients and allow them about a year longer to live. Well, since it was last resort anyway and all other options exhausted, mom went on it. Wouldn't you know, she got the extremely rare side effect, and it started killing off her red blood cells. It was actually what killed her in the end. She and I have always seemed to get those *rare* side effects rarely ever seen!!

Not to mention my gestational trophoblastic disease a few yrs ago... an extremely rare pregnancy complication that resulted in no baby, surgery, more gynecological problems, and a higher risk of uterine cancer now. Yuup, I just seem to come from a good gene pool! We have lots of *rare* problems!

Anyway, as the chiro suggested, I started taking Oil of Oregano 3x a day now- diluted in water- + a probiotic once a day. I have had problems with yeast, bacteria, viruses for as long as I remember... and he said parasites could always play a part too, but we can't know for sure... and with my stomach and gut issues too, Oil of oregano is supposed to really help. So I'm going to try to stick to this and see if I feel any relief.

I have read a long time ago about malic acid & magnesium in combination. Wouldn't you believe it... I asked a pharmacist once about the malic acid, and he said he's "never heard of it"!!!! How could a pharm never have heard of malic acid?! It's in freaking apples!! Haha

Perhaps I need to take the actual magnesium malate into consideration...

Eden :-)
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Rockon
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   Posted 3/17/2014 5:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Someone just posted about a magnesium balm called Just So, on Facebook, and someone commented that she makes her own, so I did a quick look for a recipe. Here's a link:

http://wellnessmama.com/8586/magnesium-body-butter/

Sherrine
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   Posted 3/17/2014 5:26 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm sorry you have all these issues. I get weird things but am able to take most supplements.

Do see a gastroenterologist, though, if you are bleeding from the bowel. That is really bad. I did that for years with Crohn's and ended up having to have my colon removed...after needing four blood transfusions. There are things they can do to help you. Also, don't eat fresh veggies unless they are cooked soft. No salad, only canned fruit, no hot and spicy things, etc. A doctor can tell you how to adjust your diet so it will help ease the inflammation going on with UC or possible Crohn's.

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ak angel
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   Posted 3/18/2014 12:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Eden I have thought about medical marijuana before. My state has it and I could get it. The problem is that I have a history of chemical dependency. I just don't want to go down that road again. Tempting!

Evanescent Eden
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   Posted 3/19/2014 8:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for all your help and suggestions always, Rockon.

Sherrine,
While always struggling with getting assistance in my state, I'm starting to think that I'm never going to be able to see a gastroenterologist again! I really need to get a colonoscopy, I know, Sherrine cry I have a family history of IBD, and I'm sick of how the bleeding makes me feel. I get soo worn-out and fatigued from it.

I'm almost tempted to just go somewhere anyway, regardless of whether I get insurance or not.

Ak angel, I'm sorry to hear about your past situation, but I promise you that you CANNOT get addicted to marijuana. Marijuana is much more natural and safe than any other stuff out there! My BF is a HUGE marijuana advocate and he could talk and talk about it to you extensively, telling you everything. I don't know as much about it-- but I know it's completely safe, and the reasons why many people are hesitant about it are (1) it is highly stigmatized and people make it out to look like it's something "bad" when it's not at all (2) people assume that it will get them "high"- when really, only one chemical component in it gets you high-- you can get that extracted (3) people assume that you even have to smoke it- but you do not! you can use the oil, vaporize it, etc.

Believe me- alcohol, hard drugs, any types of pills- THOSE are the enemies... those are the ones that create chemical dependency in people. Marijuana cannot. I think if your state has it legally, you are soo lucky, and if you're also in a lot of pain and curious about medical MJ, just try it out! Don't listen to people if they're telling you it's bad. Marijuana isn't the big bad enemy as people make it out to be!

Eden
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Evanescent Eden
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   Posted 3/19/2014 9:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Sherrine,

also:
I'm sorry to hear about your experiences with Crohn's! Did you need your colon removed BECAUSE of bleeding for so many years/ waiting to get it checked out? sad

Maybe I have like, internal hemorrhoids or something like that? I'm hoping it isn't IBD. I wonder how you can truly tell the difference?

Is IBD blood usually bright red or dark red? Or does it depend upon which region is affected?

Thanks!

Eden
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NextAdventure
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   Posted 4/20/2014 9:21 PM (GMT -7)   
There are no vitamins or minerals that are produced by man that have the exact same chemical structure as those found in food...even the basic chemical bonds are reversed. These supplements are produced in a chemical lab as a result of using many other chemicals that are not required to be listed on the label.

Many peoples bodies are sensitive enough ( or smart enough) to know that these supplements are not food and either react to them or immediately process them out as a toxin.

Almost all vitamin/mineral raw materials are now produced in China without any controls as to the quality or quantity. If the company claims that their product is made in the USA it simply means they processed the Chinese raw materials into caps or tablets and put them into bottles.

I would never touch any supplement without a USP label and even then I would question them. We are meant to eat food not laboratory produced chemicals.

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   Posted 4/21/2014 8:37 AM (GMT -7)   
So far, I have only used magnesium in my baths. Two cups Epson salt in hot bath for 30 minutes. It does help with the soreness and fatigue in the muscles. Doesn't take it away, but can really tell a difference if I stop for a week. I can't take most things due to tummy troubles so supplements would be out for me. Maybe a magnesium rich diet would help your body utilize it instead of reject it. Try not to completely give up on magnesium. It is important for your muscles, including your heart.

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   Posted 12/2/2017 8:34 PM (GMT -7)   
I know this thread is a little old, but I've been searching for information about magnesium making pain flare up and I haven't found much other than this.

I have fibromyalgia and arthritis in my jaw and I have constant strong pain. My jaw is very very sensitive and little knocks and too much chewing can make the jaw pain and headaches flare up a lot.

I've had many blood tests over the years and I have never had any magnesium deficiency identified. I have tried magnesium supplements a few times but always found that these would cause the pain to flare up significantly.

I'm considering trying magnesium again to combat increased pain due to clenching my jaw while asleep. So I'm doing some research about it. I'll try some of the suggestions here about types of supplements and so forth.

For now I hope this post acts as some confirmation for others with this experience of magnesium.

Sherrine
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   Posted 12/3/2017 7:07 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Ncstebb, and welcome! You might see if you can get a muscle relaxer. I use Robaxin and it made a significant difference in my pain. I only take a small amount...far less than was prescribed, and it does the trick without the sleepy side effects.

You could also start taking vitamin D3. Many are deficient in vitamin D and that can cause more pain!

Be sure to read Fibro 101...the first thread on the forum. There are links to good info about fibro and you will learn a lot there. There are links about vitamin D3 and magnesium malate and how these work in the body.

I'm looking forward to getting to know you better. Don't hesitate to ask questions because we are here to help you. Hope to hear more from you soon.

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