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luckyman316
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Posted 2/6/2022 11:20 AM (GMT -8)
I cannot believe I have not updated you guys since May 2020. Wow! So non Hep-B related, I've had 2 neck surgeries since then (One in July 2020 and one in May 2021). I'm still no right there but it's irrelevant this this treatment. I will give you all the updates since then, and will label them accordingly to what went down!

@ppm guy thanks for the reminder here! I happened to stumble back upon this site when looking for advice for my neck and remembered I used to post here and at medhelp, but have yet to post here haha
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luckyman316
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Posted 2/6/2022 11:22 AM (GMT -8)
October 2020 Update:

Hi All,

Just some updated numbers from the trial. FYI, I was told I may be the last person left on this trial so this time next year, it will be ended. I discussed this with my doctor and he mentioned not to worry about it too much for me, we'll do what we must to either get me on medications to continue them but it's likely a new trial will come out that I would qualify for. At the moment, I do not qualify for any trial.

With that said, in between the last tests I had and this one, I have had some major dental work done as well as a major surgery which required a one night stay in the hospital. My numbers were good before the surgery and my numbers are STILL good after the surgery. They ran additional tests as well to be sure nothing happened after surgery and so far, I am safe. So I'm having no major issues. Here is what I can share:

HBV DNA IU/mL: No HBV DNA Detected (Notice a different result this time? Hmmm)
Total Bili: 0.8 mg/dL
Dir Bili : 0.1 mg/dL
Ind Bili : 0.7 mg/dL
AST (SGOT) - 25
ALT (SGPT) - 37
Creatinine - 1.16 mg/dL
Uric Acid - 7.4 mg/dL
Calcium - 9.9 mg/dL
Phosphorus - 3.3 mg/dL
Cholesterol: 237 mg/dL (While within range, still on the high side of normal, my LDL is definitely high on here)
pH - 6.0
Fibrosis Score: 0.28 (F0-F1 -No or minimal Fibrosis)
CK - 254 U/L (This is really high again)
AFP: Not Measured This Lab
Osteocal: 22.20 1 ng/mL
Collagen T1 Crosslaps: 0.84 ng/mL (This still shows as high but better than last one)
Parathyroid Hormone - 39.5 pg/mL
HBsAgII: Positive -- (Anyone know what it is II now?)
HBe Ab: Not Measured This Lab
HBe Ag: Not Measured This Lab
HBSAG in Quantitative - Not Measured This Lab
Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy - Not Measured This Lab

Overall, not bad for someone that just had a bunch of other medical stuff going on. I was actually expecting some stuff to be worse but seems like it's just stayed close to the same and nothing alarming. I'll definitely be asking for Vitamin D and HBSAG quantative tests next year again before I am off the trial. One day, I hope there is a cure. I'm ready for my miracle! smile
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luckyman316
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Posted 2/6/2022 11:26 AM (GMT -8)
April 2021 Update:

Hi All,

So I wanted to share my latest labs regarding this clinical trial. I have been so blessed to been on this trial for 7 years. This was the last time I am getting any free medication from them, unless something changes of course between now and my last appointment. After this, I'm on my own with insurance (but only get 3-6 months worth each time so I hope it's not costly) but the good news is, I don't have to adhere to rules of the trial either but that really doesn't change for me as those rules are the same rules I applied to rules of life. I have fatty liver again so this is something I need to work on with an extreme diet. Not easy for sure and I have another major surgery coming up. With that said, my doctor did discuss another trial with me. It sounds like more of a cure trial that is designed to cure this illness in a year or less. Something new in the works which he is a part of now. Anyway, below is the simple lab I got. Next lab will be more complex and I'll be asking them to measure more that lab as a final lab and will be the last time I am sharing as part of this clinical trial results. I'm considering starting a new thread after that but have not decided. I did ask them about stopping the medication and he said because I did not have positive antibodies, I could not do so. Anyway, good luck to all still going through this! I've been very strong and it's been quite challenging for sure some days!

HBV DNA IU/mL: No HBV DNA Detected
Total Bili: 0.5 mg/dL
Dir Bili : <0.1 mg/dL
Ind Bili : <0.5 mg/dL
AST (SGOT) - 21
ALT (SGPT) - 30
Creatinine - 1.07 mg/dL
Uric Acid - 7.2 mg/dL
Calcium - 9.4 mg/dL
Phosphorus - 3.2 mg/dL
Cholesterol: 247 mg/dL (I really need to reduce this and lose a good 30-40lbs in the process)
pH - 65.5
Fibrosis Score: Not measured this lab
CK - 149
AFP: Not Measured This Lab
Osteocal: Not Measured This Lab
Collagen T1 Crosslaps: Not Measured This Lab
Parathyroid Hormone - Not Measured This Lab
HBsAgII: Positive
HBe Ab: Not Measured This Lab
HBe Ag: Negative
HBSAG in Quantitative - Not Measured This Lab
Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy - Not Measured This Lab
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luckyman316
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Posted 2/6/2022 11:30 AM (GMT -8)
October 2021 Update (The Last of my clinical trial):

Here were the last and FINAL results from this Clinical Trial. The trial ended and I am now my medication through my insurance. I started this trial in 2014 and I was actually the LAST person on it, from what I was told. I consider myself lucky to be part of this and hope I have helped many with the effectiveness of this treatment of TAF. When I started, I did not know if it was TAF or TDF but since 2016 I knew 100% it was TAF when they officially extended it and put me on it.

As for my final numbers, I am not happy I was NOT cured in all this time. I strongly considered stopping treatment after 7 years when this trial ended on it but my doctor advised me against it. I still have it in my mind that I should maybe attempt to stop and see what happens. He gave me good reasons though such as some numbers and such not being where it should be for me to attempt to stop and see if I can clear it out.

I *was* however, offered to be on 2 clinical trials the past month. I have yet to decide if I want to take part in either but 1 has officially cured one of my doctor's patients. My reluctantcy is due to time constraints, me wanting to focus on other areas of my health the next 6-8 months and the fact that the trials add Interferon treatment later on in the course (something I really don't want to attempt at a younger age for myself)

Here is my final number:

HBV DNA IU/mL: <20 IU HBA DNA Detected (I hate these wordings when it does not say undetectable)
Total Bili: 0.5 mg/dL (Has stayed fairly consistent)
Dir Bili : 0.1 mg/dL
Ind Bili : 0.4 mg/dL
AST (SGOT) - 29
ALT (SGPT) - 37
Creatinine - 1.13 mg/dL
Uric Acid - 8.8 mg/dL (Considered High)
Calcium - 10.0 mg/dL
Phosphorus - 2.4 mg/dL
Cholesterol: 243 mg/dL (Down slightly but I've gained a LOT of weight in the past year and a half due to my inability to exercise right from injuries and surgeries, so I need to refocus)
pH - 6.0
Fibrosis Score: 0.26 (F0-F1 Minimal to No Fibrosis)
CK - 259 (Very high)
AFP: Not Measured This Lab
Osteocal: 28.84 ng/mL
Collagen T1 Crosslaps: 0.59 ng/mL
Parathyroid Hormone - 65.3 pg/mL
HBsAgII: Positive
HBe Ab: Not Measured This Lab
HBe Ag: Not Measured This Lab
HBSAG in Quantitative - 3599.00 IU/mL (This has gone up a lot but I was told this is ok and normal.. which I disagree with)
Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy - Not Measured This Lab

My glucose was also high for the first time ever. I won't post the number but it has never been high in my life. I am not diabetic but if someone were to see the slight elevation they'd possibly put me there as borderline. This absolutely has everything to do with my weight gain I am sure.

Anyway, this will be my last post here on this topic. I may start another one and reference my trial posts in there, especially if I *do* opt to go on another trial, but in the meantime, thank you all for your kindness and support and advice over the many years!
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ppm guy
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Posted 4/2/2022 1:49 PM (GMT -8)
Best of luck. I check in every few months to see if you’ve started any trial or are starting any new treatments.
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luckyman316
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Posts : 223
Posted 7/7/2022 4:40 AM (GMT -8)
I'm sure many of you have followed my journey through the clinical trial of TDF vs TAF since 2014. That journey ended at September 2021 as I was actually the very last patient to complete the trial (and one of the first few that started it).

Once that was completed, I had to go through my insurance to receive TAF - Vemlidy for 1 full year. The cost wasn't bad since insurance covered it. Unfortunately, my insurance no longer covered the medication starting July 1st, 2022. So my cost went from being $60 USD to $1683 USD a month. Needless to say, that was unacceptable and very unaffordable as well (to some, this is a monthly rent/mortgage for living in the United States).

I finally got in with my doctor and he seemed surprised when I told him this, even though I sent him an email about it over a month ago to see if he could fight my insurance. The good news, I was able to convince insurance to get me what remained for "One Last Time" before July 1st, 2022 so I was good until end of September. The bad news? I am now being forced to go back to TDF - Viread because that is covered by insurance.

My doctor doesn't know why they dropped it but only gave me the one option above. There are no more clinical trials for him to recruit me on. They tried getting me on one and did try to recruit me hard on it but I declined. They did mentioned there may be a new clinical trial in 2-3 months time that I would likely be a candidate for, and may be geared towards a cure, but didn't have any info on it at the time nor was it open yet.

Anyway, that being said, I'll be back there in September. Before I give you my numebrs, let's just say my weight puts me in an Obese stage and I am unable to lose weight on a diet alone myself but I also have two failed neck surgeries in my neck, thus making it impossible to work out to lose weight as well. My blood pressure was very high at a 150 over 105 and this was very concerning to them. It goes down when I lose weight yes, but I suspect it's higher because of the failed surgeries (my surgeons told me this could happen). On top of this, my heart rate was at a 104 and going fast, but I also walked to the facility so that could have been a contributing factor.

Anyway, here are the other results *only posting what I feel is relevant*:

Glucose - 91 mg/dL
Sodium - 140 mmol/L
Calcium - 9.8 mg/dL
Bilirubin, Total - 0.4 mg/dL
Alkaline Phosphatase - 66 IU/L
AST (SGOT) - 23 IU/L
ALT (SGPT) - 36 IU/L
pH - 7.0
HBV IU/mL - HBV DNA not detected (This means the medication is working!!!!!!)
AFP, Serum, Tumor Marker - 1.8 ng/mL
Hep B Surface Ab, Qual - Non Reactive
Hep B Surface Antigen Quant - 4168.00 IU/mL
Phosphorus- 2.9 mg/dL
HBsAg Screen - Positive

My only concerning piece is that My HBsAg Quantitative has gone UP since March 2020. They are now as follows:

In March of 2020 it was at:
1318.00 IU/mL

In September 2021 it is now at:
3599.00 IU/mL

June 2022 it is now at:
4168.00 IU/mL

I can only assume that the weigh gain and poor diet plays a big part in this because in March of 2020 I was 185lbs and June 2022 I am 255lbs. I'd be more concerned on being on a clinical trial with an increasing value like this and honestly would not want to go on it unless they can guarantee a huge knock down of value during a 1-2 year trial. Anyway, I'll share more as I get on here and will post any updates as needed if I make any crazy decisions.
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luckyman316
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Posted 10/2/2022 7:05 PM (GMT -8)
Had my 3 month follow up since my last visit in June 2022.

Good news is my insurance is now covering Vemlidy (TAF) again. They had to make a special case for me in order for insurance to cover it. Otherwise I was going back on TDF. My HBV DNA is also undected

Bad News is: My weight is in obesity stage, my blood pressure is in hypertension, my HBSAG has also increased. My ultrasound also had the lesion show up again that I had back in 2019 and back then it was a fatty lesion and not a concern, but I do have fatty liver.

Unfortunately, I forgot to ask for them to check my Vitamin D so I don't have my results there but everything else is pretty much normal and stable. See below for the latest

Glucose - 92 mg/dL
Sodium - 137 mmol/L
Calcium - 9.5 mg/dL
Bilirubin, Total - 0.4 mg/dL
Alkaline Phosphatase - 71 IU/L
AST (SGOT) - 20 IU/L (1 pt lower than 3 months ago)
ALT (SGPT) - 35 IU/L (1 pt lower than 3 months ago)
pH - 6.0
HBV IU/mL - HBV DNA not detected
AFP, Serum, Tumor Marker - 1.8 ng/mL
Hep B Surface Ab, Qual - Non Reactive
Hep B Surface Antigen Quant - 5616.00 IU/mL
Phosphorus- 2.9 mg/dL
HBsAg Screen - Positive

My HBsAg Quantitative keeps going UP and this is a problem for me. I suspect now it's weight related more than anything else.They are now as follows:

In March of 2020 it was at:
1318.00 IU/mL

In September 2021 it was at:
3599.00 IU/mL

June 2022 it was at:
4168.00 IU/mL

September 2022 it's now at:
5616.00

Regarding my weight, it's seemingly gone up since I stopped the clinical trial for TAF. My doctor did suggest try going back to TDF since he's heard patients saying TAF caused weight gain. My thought behind that is that I was on TAF in the clinical trial for 5 years and I weighed less and actually lost weight at some point.

I do agree my weight needs to come back down a LOT.

Regarding my blood pressure, while I do think my weight contributes to a high blood pressure, I also take into account that:

- I walked 1 mile to the doctor's office (because I am unable to sit comfortably in a car) and that causes the BP and heart rate to rise

- I have 2 failed neck surgeries in my neck and this alone can also cause BP to rise (and makes doing intense cardio exercises impossible, which is what I need to do to lose weight).

I was also offered to go on a clinical trial. The same clinical trial last year that they suggested I go on after a patient was cured from it, and I said no because of the Interferon treatments I didn't want to go through as part of it. They said there wasn't going to be room last year and 1 year later it's brought back to me. I have yet to say yes or no, but with my HBSAG increasing so much, I can't see how this trial would cure me of anything unless that number goes closer to 1,000.

Anyway, wanted to share my latest here! Hope everyone is well!
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Keepingitpositive
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Posted 3/15/2023 9:07 AM (GMT -8)
lucky,

I found you on another forum but it seems like you dont post there anymore as your last post I believe was on 2019. So happy that I found you here and I am glad that you are continously still posting here. I hope that you still do as your last post in here was 4 months ago. I really hope you see this and give me some advise.

I was unfortunately diagnosed at age 19 and I am now 39. Not sure how I got it as I was still a virgin when I got diagnosed and doctor predicted I must have gotten it at birth. However I dont think my mom have hep b. My older sister have it too and not sure about my other two siblings.


Anyways to make this short my hep viral load was around

800 back on May 2018
3140 on July 2020
3000 January 2021
7830 July 2021
6090 January 2022
5500 August 2022
I was hoping my viral load is just going to keep lower as it seems now my viral load as of today is 11,900 *cryiiiiiiing*



my wbc is 3.5 ( slightly lower than normal) ( normal range is 4.0 to 11)
alt is 24 ( normal)
alk 75 ( normal)
bilirubin 0.6 (normal)

my vitamin d is at 23 ( normal range is 30-100) my dr suggested to take 5000 units OTC vitamin D.

iron is normal ( I am glad that this is normal even if I haven't taken my iron supplement as I am anemic. eating tofu definitely helps and other food as well )

fibrocan is at 3.6 ( 2 to 7 are normal , no sign of scarring)


I hope you can give me some advise and information on how to improve my viral load or any other additional information . what to eat? what to avoid? Also what's a good brand of Vitamin D OTC to take . I am currently taking the brand Megafood .

I am not on any prescribed medication and I want to keep it that way. Thank You!

Post Edited (Keepingitpositive) : 3/15/2023 9:10:11 AM (GMT-8)

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straydog
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Posted 3/17/2023 7:27 AM (GMT -8)
Keepingitpositive, it looks like luckyman hasn't checked in since 2022. However, if you will click on his name he has his email address enabled. I suggest that you send him an email & if you decide to email him, I would put in the title you are from Healing Well.

Good luck.
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