Cirrhosis of the liver (end stage)

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lerie
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   Posted 1/18/2006 8:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Anytime. My thoughts & prayers go out to you.later
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   Posted 1/18/2006 11:35 PM (GMT -7)   
I would ask why the dentist only wants to pull one tooth at a time.  Some of the reasoning may be because Medicaid is notoriously slow to pay and they don't reimburse for the full amount billed.  However, FL Medicaid no longer pays for any type of dental services for adults, so I guess you have a little luck going for you.   eyes

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   Posted 1/19/2006 5:00 PM (GMT -7)   
I AM SURE IT IS DUE TO MEDICAID BEING SO SLOW IN PAYING AND ALL THE PAPERWORK THEY HAVE TO DO. WE CALLED AT LEAST 20 DENTISTS BEFORE WE FOUND THIS ONE AND THEIR RESPONSE WAS WE DON'T WANT TO DO THE PAPERWORK. WE CALLED KU YESTERDAY AND TOLD THEM about THE DENTIST, THEY TOLD US IF THE DENTIST WILL ONLY DO ONE AT A TIME THAT THEY COULD PROBABLY GET STEVE IN UP THERE TO SEE THEIR DENTIST IF WE HAVE TOO. WE LIVE IN KS AND MEDICAID PAYS FOR EXTRACTIONS ONLY SO THAT HELPS SOME. IT IS JUST A SLOW GOING PROCESS THAT GETS REALLY FRUSTRATING AT TIMES.

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   Posted 1/19/2006 6:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Frightened, Maybe this alternative is the answer to your prayers for Steve, & it may be the better way to go. I say this because if Steve is septic, there will not be a second chance for infection to set in, secondly quite often,(for me anyway) with cirrhosis sometimes the blood will not clot properly & going twice increases this risk as well. If Steve gets them done at KU might be the better way to go & then maybe his chances for transplant will be that much closer.Please keep us up to date with how its going. When you need support or just to sound off we're for you. Steve to! As always my thoughts & prayers are with you both. God Bless. later....
lerie


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   Posted 1/23/2006 3:46 PM (GMT -7)   
sad  Hi, this is my first post. My husband has been diagnosed with End Stage Cirrhosis. He had a bout with a coma in 2001.  He has not been drinking for years.  We have a 9 year old son.  In November he started putting on fluid everywhere except in the arms, neck and face.  He was put on lasix and aldactone, without relief of the fluid. He gained 30-40 lbs, in about a month and got to the point he could not handle the pain, muscle cramps. He was scheduled to see a Gastro doctor but it was too far off and we ended up in ER. He stayed in the hospital for a week. He had a CT scan of the abdomen, 2 paracentesis (10 Liters)in a week.  He had a ammonia level of 59 during his stay in the hospital. I noticed he was very forgetful and a little confused, and he was stumbling a little. He was put on  lactulose during his stay. Since then it seemed his confusion got worse the fluid was building up quickly and needed another paracentesis in less than 2 weeks, A Gastro doctor told me he was full of air, and double his aldactone to 200mg,he did'nt get another paracentesis til after the Christmas Holidays. This was 2 days before Christmas, I felt liked he neglected my husband, and caused him to suffer more than necessary. Two days after the Holidays another Gastro Dr. ordered the paracentesis, this time they took off 61/2 liters. He was admitted back in the hospital after a week and a half, his lab was drawn and his K+ 6.9, I took him to ER because of his pain and then found out the lab values drawn earlier. This time he was in the local hospital a week with high ammonia levels to the point of total confusion.  A very good social worker got him into a Memphis hospital for a evaluation for a liver transplant, he has had most of the medical testing while there and now we are waiting for our consultations from the rest of the transplant team.  We spent a week away from our son. We just have so uch trouble with the encephalopathy it is unreal, he takes 45cc of lactoluse 3 times a day and sometimes more, it keeps him more oriented but never totally normal. He sleeps most of the time about 20 hours a day. I have very little family support and sometimes I just feel like I am totally going to lose my sanity. I am afraid to go to work, which I work only on the weekends and at night. He is just so unstable.

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   Posted 1/23/2006 6:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi TDT,Welcome to the forum.I too have severe advanced cirhosis & hepatic encephalopathy.My heart truly goes out to you & your hubby. Iknow it is not easy for you, your hubby or your young son.Was the pain from muscle cramps or the liver?how much lassix is he taking now with the aldactone? Here are a few tips that may help for acetis & edemma.Helps Me anyway. Lower sodium to 600mg. fluids 34 ozs a day. Keep vitamin A no more thn 2500 a day, B3 (niacin) 14mgs. This is how they control it for me, for the most point.Also you might want to call the Dr. & get the lactulose increased. Is your husband a diabetic?Vitamin A,B3,in larger doses are toxic to a cirhotic liver. Protien is very important to hepatic encephalopathy & should not exceed 50 grams as the liver can no longer break down the protien& builds up ammonia & toxins in the blood.I'm sorry hon but Hepatic encephalopathy does not let you go back to normal the best it gets is controlled.it would be better if you were able to stay home with him,my hubby had to quit work to be my caregiver.Your not alone anymore sweetie, just come to the forum & you'll get a lot of support,questoins answered ,Prayers & virtual HUGS like the one I'm sending you now.My thoughts & prayers are with you both.later...
lerie


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   Posted 1/24/2006 5:18 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey TDT,

       I can somewhat relate to as what you are going through. My boyfriend Steve was dx almost a year ago now with end stage liver disease (Cirrhosis). His too was caused from drinking for so many years. We have been somewhat lucky though as far as his mental state goes. He has really only had one bad episode that lasted about 2days. He gets confused on things but hasn't had any really bad episodes yet.......  He takes 60cc of lactulose about 5 times a day and is on 300mg of aldactone and 240mg of lasix a day. We also have problems with his weight gain. Since April of 05 the first time he gained like 60lbs and lost 30 and now it just keeps fluctuating between 235 and 250. He usually weighs around 210 normally. Steve is also on a sodium restriction of 2000mg. They did have him on a fluid restriction but took him off.  He hasn't had to have any fluid drawn off of him yet. His doctor wants to hold off a long as possible due to the fact they say it increases your chance of infections. So the only way they will draw fluid off of Steve is if he starts running a fever and they think the fluid maybe infected... I only work about 2days a week now but I am having to change my schedule and do just a few hrs a day here and there. KU called friday and they are wanting to list Steve on the transplant list as soon as he gets either cleared from his dentist or we make a trip to Kansas City and see their dentist. We are going to call his coordinator Thurs to find out what we need to do.... I am sure that down the road I will have to probably either quit my job or take a leave of absence for awhile if he starts getting really bad. There are days his liver pain is so severe he can barely get out of bed... I had never been on a chatting website or anything until Steve got sick and I started looking up information about his disease and the expectations of it. Then I ran across this website and it has been very helpful in information and in support.... This website is truly a blessing.....I hope things go well for you and your husband and everyone is here for you whenever you need us....

Frightened....


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   Posted 1/24/2006 6:50 PM (GMT -7)   

Hello Frightened and Lerie,

You both have been so helpful and it does make me feel better to know I am not alone anymore.  We are having a better day.  He will be having a paracentesis done tomorrow, so he can move around better. The doctors have him on antibiotic's once a week to prevent infection. There is no choice about paracentesis, it accumulatives fast and has caused a hernia, it will also go into the scrotum. At the beginning of December he weighed 212lbs, he now weighs 174 lbs., his normal weight is around 170.  They usually take off more than 6-7 liters at a time. It is very evident he has lose a lot of weight, that he did'nt need to lose. His muscle mass is alot smaller, around the waist he is 46-47 inches. I just pray that we can get on the transplant list, we have done the medical testing and now it is the consultations with the rest of the transplant team. It makes me nervous!!!  I just don't understand how this happened after years of not drinking and suddenly WHAM.  I have to go now, am needed by my son (homework).  Bless You Both, and I will be Praying for You. HUGS 


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   Posted 1/24/2006 7:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi T,I'm glad you feel & know your not alone& your really not anymore. I'm sorry to hear your hubby is having such a hard time. He must be so scared & confused to.The muscle mass will deteriate because cirhosis does cause muscle wasting. When You have cirhosis the liver can no longer send out the hormones, chemicalsetc. anymore. also we can no longer eat what we need to keep our organs functioning in harmony. Protien needed for the muscles is a no no to us in the quantity required. along with the vitamins. It really is a catch 22. Have they done a biopsy to confim alchohol or are they saying the ultrasound says fatty liver & assuming alchohol becaus ther are other causes for cirhosis & a fatty liver.While it makes you nervous it's nerve racking & terrifying for your hubby too.Avery difficult situation for you both & your son too I'm sure.I have what they call a blue belly button to from acetis. Is this where your hubby's hurnia is to?God Bless your little family there to sweetie. My thoughts & prayers are with the 3 of you.later....
lerie


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   Posted 1/24/2006 9:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello Lerie,
 
They have not been able to do a biopsy because of the clotting factor. But in 2001 from the encephalotic coma, which was 3 weeks in duration, was caused by the alcohol. They also removed the gallbladder and saw the liver.  He has not had an ultra sound, CT scans have been done.  They can eliminate some causes from the ascitic fluid analysis. They took several samples in Memphis. I guess they are assuming. They may have done a biopsy in 2001, I just can't remember, I was really flipping out then, I thought he was going to die then. The hernia is inguinal, then another one that allows the fluid in the scrotum. On the first days of December, he could hardly even walk because the testicles were larger than a grapefruit. Has not happened since then. He has been almost himself today and yesterday that has been a nice change. He has been reminding me of things today!!! His belly button looks like mine did when I was pregnant, just a spot. Do your hands,arms and legs stay cold? He has not gotten juandice, but he does appear to have a grayish tint at times, his lower legs are really dry and grayish also.  While in Memphis they did give him a MELD score of 18.  I getting tired I think I will go to bed. My Prayers are with you, HUGS

lerie
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   Posted 1/24/2006 10:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi T,Encephalopathy is not just from alchohol! It is when the liver cannot filter the toxins, so they go thru the blood stream to the brain & causes the brain to swell! To much protien causes encephalopathy too because the liver in advanced stages, cannot break it dow so therefor this causes a buildup of toxins to.I'm not saying the cirhosis didn't start with alcohol, but 20 years dry just seems a little suspicious of maybe there could have been another cause. Anyway he does have it & thats where diet,lactulose etc are so important.My grandfather had cirhosis & hepatic encephalopathy & he never had alcohol or drugs in his life, however he had wilsons disease. Some DRs. are too quick to assume & judge & this makes me very angry. Just like the Dr. whom assumed I had lupus & had me on all those prescriptions that caused my cirhosis when what I really had was ostreoarthritis! Sorry I guess it's my turn to vent.When the fluid gets in the testacles that must be so painfull. Makes me appreciate the fact I'm a woman. My belly button sticks out further now than it did when I was pregnant.I just hope it doesn't start to go south like everything else is & i don't mean for the winter If you know what I mean! Yes my husband knows what its like to see those days without my being confused & disorianated. I'm glad your hubby has been stable the last couple of days, & I'll be praying he can stay that way for awhile.I've never been Jaundiced untill this past Sept just before entering my 10th year,& even now it's just slightly shows on my skin & eyes.My toes are always grey tho& sometimes when I' really bad my feet & lower legs get red & it looks like socks on me. Even When I was in a comma all4 times I wasn't. I do have a lot of redness tho. Like a rash & spider veins on my face ,neck, back, upper chest ,upper arms & thighs. The palms of my hands are beet red. Strange how some of us get yellow & some of us get red.My lower legs & lower legs & some areas on my face get grey especially around the mouth, nose & eyes.But this only occurs when the scales from stable to unstable occur.When the liver function gets low the blood flow in the liver is restricted so thats why the lower extremities get cold in our arms its the same things. I guess you'll just have to snuggle in to him & keep his legs & buns warm for him! My skin gets dry & & like leather. Jergans body lotion makes a fortune off me. They should give me part ownership by now. My prayers are with always & you family too sweetie. Take care & Stay strong. Your a very special lady! Goodnight. later....


lerie

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frieghtened
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   Posted 1/24/2006 10:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey TDT
           Steve seems to stay cold all the time now especially in his hands and feet. His legs have like a bluish-purple color to them and his hands are just like ice. I have to put gold bond lotion on him daily for dry skin and itching it seems to give him a little comfort.  He has these little red spots all over the doctor calls them spiders and they just seem to be getting worse. Steve was really jaundice in April of 05 that's what made me take him to the ER and that's when we found out about his liver disease. He is still really yellow. The doctor told us that his color won't get much better if at all because his liver is just shot....Steve gets these really dark grayish looking circles around his eyes sometimes it is almost like someone punched him I guess it is just because things are circulating in his body like they normally would. Dec 2,2005 Steve's meld was 18 and at the beginning of Jan 06 it was at 16. He goes to the doctor next week so I'll beable to get his numbers and figure out what his meld is. I keep track so that I know and can kind of compare to see if he is getting worse. I wish the best to you and your family.
 
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   Posted 1/24/2006 10:54 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey Lerie

      how are you doing? Steve is hanging in there we are awaiting a phone call from the coordinator to see about him being on the list. Rebecca called friday and wanted the number to the dentist that Steve is seeing he told her the situation about him wanting to take his time.. She is going to call him and then is suppose to get back with us...I guess she told Steve that if he doesn't do it any quicker that we may have to go to KU and have it done so that he can be cleared and listed. I hope all is well and I'm really glad I found people to talk to.

 

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   Posted 1/24/2006 11:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Frightened,I'm glad to hear somebody is stepping up to the plate for you. It's about time! I hope Steve gets his new liver soon. I've actually not to bad this evening but this morning I was so sick. I actually felt really hungry this afternoon but could only eat a few mouthfulls but at least I did feel hungry. That in itself is a good sigh these days.I'm glad to that I found all you good people to talk to too! I was feeling so isolated before & sometimes felt like giving up But thanks to the support of everyone here I find myself fighting as hard as ever again. Chatting with all you good people is a mighty fine reason for me to keep dragging myself out of bed every few hours for a little while.For awhile there I was losing my focus & giving up.Not now! You all are a good pain distraction for me to. I thank you all from the bottom of my heart.My thoughts & prayers are with you & Steve. Hang in there sweetie, it sounds like things are finally moving fo you's.Take care sweetie. later....
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   Posted 1/25/2006 6:44 AM (GMT -7)   
He has been sober 4 years, not 20. The encephalopathy then was alcohol induced,very lucky to come out of the coma.  The encephalopathy now is is from the liver not filtering the toxins.  He was using ibuprofen often 4 at a time 3 times a day, which is also harmful to the liver.  He thought it was safe and took it to the extreme. Hugs

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   Posted 1/25/2006 8:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi t, sorry I guess I misunderstood,Yes he was very lucky to come out of the comma. that's why they keep telling me it's a miracle I'm still here after 4 of them. But then they are only Drs., not God.It's amazing how many of us didn,t know or don't know how medications can srew up the liver. I didn't take extra of my drugs I didn't have to with all he had me on & 2 or 3 pain meds entertwined & sedatives etc. This is why all medications should be checked for side effects & risks.My thoughts & prayers are with you & your family. take care. HUGS. later....
lerie


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   Posted 1/25/2006 9:32 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi frightened and Lerie,

It looks like they are going to do the paracentesis on Friday. It will give him some relief for a short time. I will be praying for you Lerie as I know you will be having your ultra sound on that day also and hope the news is not bad.  I hope I will have his test results back to calculate his MELD score on Friday.  I will try the gold bond out, his skin itch's also.  He has the red spider blotches on him also and they have been increasing, mostly on his back and chest, the palms of his hands are also cherry red. His lower legs do have the leathery gray appearance.  He was up bright and early today, pretty alert, just tires so quickly. I wish we were closer to being on the list for transplant. Does Medicaid pay for it and the anti-rejection drugs?  I have insurance, but fear that the insurance company will try to get out of it.  I may have to apply for Medicaid.  We have not met with the financial coordinator yet. Hope you are having a good day with Steve, Frightened. I hope your day goes well Lerie. Bless You, My Prayers are with you!!!HUGS


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   Posted 1/25/2006 10:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi T, I'm glad will be getting some relief on Friday & I hope the relief lasts for a long while.Ther's also a pwder you drink (Questrin) For the itch you may want to ask your Dr. about this. Any good body lotion will help. If he takes the powder. Yes he will tire easy even on his best days because of poor liver function, but that's a lot easier to deal with than the rest of it.I personally don't know about medicaid as I live in Canada. In Canada they do not pay the anti-rejection drugs but sometimes the transplant clinics here will assist partially to cover cost. Hopefully someone else here will answer your questions with that one.I hope the day goes well for you & your hubby to T,My prayers are with you also. Take care & HUGS. later....
lerie


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   Posted 1/25/2006 11:38 AM (GMT -7)   
YES!  Medicaid does pay for transplant and, I believe, antirejection drugs.  Medicare does not.
 
I have had such swelling in my lower extremities that it started to frighten me.  I called Mayo Oncology yesterday and have an appt. tomorrow with my doc's P.A.  I am trying to watch my sodium, but it's in everything!  I don't really cook, since I live alone, and mostly use frozen meals that I can nuke.  Those are mostly full of sodium, and so are soups.  nono     Anyway, I'm hoping they will prescribe Lasix or another diuretic.  Meanwhile, I remembered that I had some TED hose (compression stockings) from post hip replacement, so I am wearing them and they are helping with the edema.  My feet are hurting though--very tender.
 
Anyone know if this edema is a sign that I'm going into liver failure?   

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   Posted 1/25/2006 2:44 PM (GMT -7)   

Hello hep93,

Thanks for the medicaid info.  Edema in the feet and legs can be sign of Liver failure.  The edema can also be a sign of other diseases.  It is wise that you got an appointment quickly.  A low sodium diet can not be found in any of the frozen meals I have seen they are usually over 1000mg.  Lunch meat is also full of sodium.  You do need a low sodium diet! Especially since you are retaining fluid.  I  use frozen and fresh vegetables, baked potatoes. I use a george foreman grill for the meats and season with lemon juice and no sodium spices.  Lemon juice helps get rid of the salt craving. I have been told not to use the artificial salts, because of the potassium in it. Good Luck with your appointment. HUGS


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   Posted 1/25/2006 6:29 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey TDT,

       Steve is on Medicaid and the finacial coordinator told us that it will pay for everything. His little spider spots are on his chest and back mainly. He is starting to have them on his arms and face some. The gold bond that we use is especially for itching it's Gold Bond triple action relief for extra dry and itchy skin. Hopefully after friday your husband will feel better...All of this is just so new to us..it hasn't even been a year yet since he was dx and yet we have had so many changes in our lives and I know there is more to come...It just gets so overwhelming at times.Take Care

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   Posted 1/25/2006 6:47 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey Lerie,

 I am glad that someone is on our side for a change.... it gets so frustrating when you explain the situation to these professionals and then they give you the feeling that they don't really care and you have to watch your loved one suffer that much longer because someone wants to take their sweet time at doing their job... I pray that things will work out and Steve will beable to see KU's Dentist and get this over with... It took us a month and a half to find this dentist that we have now because nobody wanted to deal with the paperwork associated with medicaid.... and he wants to take his time so he can make more money instead of taking care of business as quickly as possible.  I am so thankful that his coordinators Craig and Rachael are so caring and on our side.... I just get so frustrated at times.... Steve has had a really bad day today all he's done is complain about the pain I just wish there was something I could do... you can just see by the look in his eyes that it's almost as if he wishes he wasn't here at times... and we still have a long way to go and him to get alot worse... I'm just not sure how I am going to handle that...I do fairly well now but for him to just keep getting worse before things get better I'm so scared of.. How much worse??? I know nobody knows everyone is different that's what scares me... He's been having some bleeding in his bowels and his doctor said it was due to his hemmoroid and just part of the disease. Sometimes I wonder if they just don't know and like to put it off as part of the disease.....well enough of my whining.... talk to you later take care....

 

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   Posted 1/25/2006 6:51 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey out of curiosity has anyone heard from PN16? I was just wondering how her dad was and how things were going for her and her family??

frightened

 


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   Posted 1/25/2006 8:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Frightened, PN16 E mailed last Fri. at that Point her dad was doing quite well at the moment. When I e mail her tommorrow I'll let her know you asked I'm sure she'll appreciate it.

Hi Connie, Please see you Dr. Edema can be caused by liver failure,heart failure, renal kidney failure. The last time I crashed I experienced all 3 with the underlying cause being liver failure.Pleasr get off the sodium Connie,your headed for major problems if you don't. Please let me know if Green Tea has the same effect on liver cancer & hep c as it does on cirhosis.

I tried Gold Bond I found it didn't work that well for me, depends on the individual I guess. That's why I use Jergans. I saw my family Dr. today for my 2 week blood work & observation & she wants me to see another hepatologist at another liver clinic for a second opinion for transplant at this othe clinic.She says he's a friend of hers & does not fully agree with the hepatolagist I'm seeing now & should go thru all the tests again since the heart failure was caused by hypokelemia as a direct result of liver failure. He apparantly told her I made it into my 10th year after 4 commas that also resulted in heart & renal failure & that he feels I deserve every possible consideration. The testing has you sitting on pins & needles & I'm scared to go through it all & be rejected again. I don't know what to do but my dr. went ahead & set up the appt. & at least talk to the new hepatolagist depending on Fridays ultrasound if theres no cancer.I"m confused as to if I want to go thru all that again & be shot down again but I want to live too.
lerie


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   Posted 1/25/2006 10:16 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Lerie,

Yes, you do deserve a second opinion. Yes, it is alot to go through. But look what you have already made it through! God is answering your prayers. I know you are a fighter, you have come through 4 of the coma's, I have seen my husband in one, they are scary especially for the ones that see it. My husband has no recall of what happened. It is Miracles that you and him lived through it! You deserve a chance!! Prayers and Hugs

Frightened,

It is so hard to see the one we love hurting, or looking into their eyes and you don't see them there. We go to the hospital when the pain is too great. I know the frustration also, we were given a appointment for April. But, with the last hospitalization he was transferred to MU in Memphis to be admitted and evaluated for a transplant. The doctors here did'nt think he could wait that long for the evaluation. Some way we will make it, we are strong women who love our men very much. We are holding things together, but you can't do it all by yourself, you have to pray and put it in GODs hands.  Do something for you, give yourself some time out.You need it! I just went through lossing my mother, a year and a half ago. I was her caretaker, she had cancer, this situation is feeling the same way. I did have to take some time-out. Browse the stores, find a good book, have lunch with a friend. It was just a couple of hours but it helped.  I know how frustrated you are, things are just not getting done quick enough. It just hurts and scares us to no end. I am going to put you on thesecondadam prayer list. I hope tomorrow is a better day for you and Steve. GOD BLESS YOU and HUGS!!!!

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