Constant Burping, gassy feeling in stomach and tender small intestine.

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Liam1369
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   Posted 3/21/2017 9:45 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi all,

For a while i've had this gas shoot up my esophagus at random times. I finally had enough and went to the doctor who gave me omeprazole for a month double dose and this made it 100x WORSE!. I finished the course and will never take it again

I think I originally had a problem and the omeprazole pretty much let it fully surface.

Ever since I haven't been able to stop burping and I constantly (every 20 mins) get this gassy feeling in my stomach and esophagus. It is relived with burping but then it just builds up in my stomach again.

Also, my small intestine will feel tender especially after eating. I feel pretty good in the morning but I can tell gas has been deposited in my stomach from my small intestines during the night.

Also, I have bile reflux but it's not too bad and this is definitely a result of this build up in pressure, if I can get rid of this then this reflux will go.


So far I have done a stool test which showed pancreas was ok and my fat absorption and stuff was really good. No parasites etc.

I also completed an Indicans urine test and it was positive! Which means bacteria are basically eating my protein. Or my stomach isn't producing enough acid. I kind of doubt it's my stomach as I am only 25 and I have tried taking a number of betaine hcl pills 650mg with food and it doesn't make much difference.

I have also completed an organic acids test but I'm waiting for the result of these, hopefully this will confirm if I have or don't have a candida overgrowth as this seems to pretty much cause every symptom known to man.

Does anyone know what this could be?? My life has been turned upside down because of this.

I'll be honest with all of you as well, this all started a week after I ate some fish that was 4 days out of date.


Just to clarify, my symptoms at the moment are:

- Constant burping and gassy build up sensation in my esophagus, throat and stomach. All day. (Some foods make it worse)
- Non-acid reflux, get these throat palpitations which are definitely non-acid/bile reflux (in my opinion).
- Tender small intestines, especially 2-3 hours after eating.
- Stomach constantly keeps filling up with gas - can hear it sometimes and when i lay down in bath underwater I can hear the gas.


I kind of think it's some bacteria where it shouldn't be in my small intestine or candida overgrowth in my small intestine. Therefore, if I took antibiotics and I have candida this will make matters worse.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. This constant gas buildup in my esophagus though is sooooo annoying. All day, everyday.

Kind Regards,

Liam

Hoshie
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   Posted 3/22/2017 3:11 PM (GMT -7)   
I had similar symptoms and was diagnosed with sibo via breath test.

Liam1369
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   Posted 3/22/2017 3:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Hoshie,

Thanks for the reply.

How did you tackle your SIBO? Did you manage to sort it out/beat it?

Liam

Hoshie
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   Posted 3/22/2017 8:21 PM (GMT -7)   
I don't think I've beaten it yet. I'm a bit better, but still have symptoms.

Typical protocols are herbal and specialized antibiotics. I've tried both...and may have to do another round.

It's been a long road.

abhi
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   Posted 3/22/2017 8:49 PM (GMT -7)   
try ivermectin,alina .mine cure with it

Liam1369
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   Posted 3/23/2017 6:10 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Hoshie,

Yeah I see what you mean.

I think it's probably worth addressing the root cause as well.

Stomach acid and bile basically sterilise the upper gut so I don't think there's a pill that will cure long term. Also, slow motility causes SIBO.

My recommendation to you and this is what I'm doing is to take interphase before a meal. This stimulates stomach juice, bile and speeds up digestion. Also, 1-2 betaine HCL pills with meals will probably help as well. Then after a while take some probiotics

I think this is helping me but I really need to start either an antibiotic or herbal antibiotic to wipe some of these bad guys out.

I'm still waiting on organic acids results to see if I have yeast overgrowth which I hope I don't have.

Liam

Liam1369
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   Posted 3/23/2017 6:11 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Abhi,

I had a look at that, it said it's an antiparasite/antibacterial for cattle??

Yeah maybe that will work but I'd rather take an antibiotic or herbal antibiotic first.

Liam

CathyA
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   Posted 3/28/2017 8:17 AM (GMT -7)   
just curious.......how do you tell if it's your small intestine? I'm usually thinking my pains are in my colon, but supposedly I have a small small bowel intussusception and I get pain where I thought my colon was, but maybe it's my small bowel. Hard to tell.

Liam1369
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   Posted 3/28/2017 8:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Cathy,

Here's is the following which is taken from Genova diagnostics website for organic acids test (urine). This is the same for biolab in the UK:

'Is Urine Organic Acid Testing Useful for Assessing Dysbiosis?

Urine contains unique products of microbial metabolism which are used to measure small bowel yeast and bacterial overgrowth. With the exception of hippurate, the compounds measured in the Organix® Dysbiosis Profile, such as D-arabinitol, are not normally produced by human cells. Unfriendly intestinal microorganisms, however, can manufacture them in relatively high quantities. These compounds are absorbed into the blood from the intestines and eventually appear in a urine organic acid test.

Stool testing also gives insight into the gut microbial population of the large bowel.'


Therefore, if you have a comprehensive stool test and it shows the bacteria are pretty good, then I think it's worth getting an organic acids to check for bacteria/yeast in small intestine as 90-95% of water/liquids are absorbed in small intestine and this ultimately comes out as urine.


I still haven't got my organic acids test back, It's been three weeks...

My stool test showed things were pretty good except I had an acidic stool and I had no growth of lactobaccili which again draws my interest to small intestine. I truly believe based on my symptoms the issue lies in the small intestine.

Especially with my positive test for urine indicans

I'll see what the organic acids test says.


Hope this answers your question Cathy.

Liam1369
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   Posted 4/6/2017 4:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi all,

So for anyone who is following this or comes across this in the future I got my organic acids test results back.

Main things:

Arabinose was above reference range indicating yeast in small intestine. Tartaric was 0 though which was good.

Hippurate was quite high but not above reference range.

DHPPA (friendly bacteria) was very very low, 0.02 nearly out of zone on the lower end.

Really low vitamin C, really low B5 and B6. B2 and B12 were fine as well as glutathione.

There was another marker which was high for bacteria overgrowth but it wasn't directly under the bacteria markers so not sure what to make of that one.

Also, my seratonin was very low. Again, i heard this can be due to dysbiosis/ lack of friendly bacteria. My cortisol levels were high and it said vitamin C can help with this.

Therefore, combined with my positive test for urine indican it seems I have dysbiosis / lack of friendly bacteria. Especially in intestines (small).

The test also recommended I have a toxic metals sample done which I am going to have as I have a few amalagam fillings, one of which (a really large one that wraps round one of my back molars), I kind of think little symptoms started after this but I am just speculating. Let's see if this shows any mercury.




Therefore, to conclude it seems I have destroyed my good bacteria in my small intestine through a combination of constant stress, intense workouts at the gym after eating large lunches, very poor diet (i basically only used to eat refined carbs - huge amounts (600-700g of pasta with sauce for dinner - EVERYDAY!), no vegetables whatsoever, large amounts of sugar, beer and alcohol (binging - not everyday) and probably other things. 5-6 coffees a day at least. Basically when I read about gut health I done everything in the 'not to do' section to excess.


My protocol is now going to be the following;

1.) Boost immune system:
- Vitamin C (will take 2g a day)
- B vitamin complex
- Zinc and vitamin d (heard these help with yeast/candida).
- Milk Thistle and Broccomax for liver support - I sometimes get liver pain and these take the pain away!! They help the liver to detoxify so I will take at least 2 or 3 of these a day. Especially when I start the probiotics below.

2.) Heal and support gut:
- I am going to be drinking 2 x protein shakes made with homemade kefir. Kefir has trillions of beneficial lactic producing bacteria and the protein shake has lactoferrin, immunoglobins, amino acids etc, huge amounts of glutamine and BCAAs. These will be perfect for gut health. I know this is an issue for people who are intolerant to dairy but if you're not I think this is a very important add on.

3.) Will take antimicrobial/antifungal supps:
- Will take Grapefruit seed extract and cinnamon tea and coconut oil to displace any bad bacteria/yeast.
- I believe if you boost your immune system and gut these will sort themselves out.
- I might take some betaine hcl sometimes with lunch. My stool test showed fat and protein absorption was fine but I might take these just to kill off any yeast just in case.

4.) Probiotics
- When I have taken good probiotics they do give me gut discomfort but looking back on it I think this is a sign of them working. I have seen a new probiotic using an exciting new technology. They are called Naturewise and I have contacted them a few times and they said the probiotics will help replenish bacteria in my small intestine. They have great info on their website and their probiotics are proven to survive through the stomach acid and bile and fluctuating PHs. They are delayed release to ensure they populate the whole intestines rather than just a dump as is the case for encapsulated powdered probiotics. It's definitely true that all of these die when they hit your stomach acid. They release over 2-10 hours.

She also told me that when I start taking the probiotics, I will likely have digestive distress for up to two weeks as the probiotics fight the pathogenic bacteria and yeast, basically scraping it off the walls. I really appreciate the honesty from this company rather than companies saying they are safe and completely symptomless. It reminds me off my mother putting ointment on bees stings and I would scream 'it hurts' and she would say 'that means it's working'. I think this is the same idea for these probiotics hopefully.

I should recieve these today and I am going to take 1 at night and maybe one in the morning. They recommend taking 1 a day but I might take two a day during the first week. I'll update any improvements likely after a month or two to give them a chance to work.


5.) Mecury/Hair Mineral Test:
I am going to get a hair mineral test, mainly to check for any aluminium. If this comes up very high then I am going to strive to get my amalgam fillings removed as I don't eat much fish and I have an office job so I wouldn't say I am overly exposed to aluminium.

6.) De-stress:
I am going to start strength training in the gym, especially squats, to boost testosterone.

Also I am probably going to start going for weekly or fortnightly massages for head and neck. As I get this stiff/anxious neck quite a lot. My organic acids test showed my cortisol/stress levels are high, even though i'm just chilling and my serotonin levels are low. I kind of need to get happy again.



I believe I am going to feel quite crap over the next month/two months implementing all of this. However, I am going to try and offset this by using the whey protein, vitamin c, milk thistle etc, zinc. Also things like ground flaxseed which I use for breakfast and I might start adding into my protein as well. This is fibre that helps sweep the intestines of c**p. Also, i've started eating a lot more vegetables.

Will give you all an update on my general feeling and burping in two months time.

I might give an interim update based on the hair mineral test.

Bless you all.

maarten023
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   Posted 11/5/2017 4:38 PM (GMT -7)   
please tell me your method worked , i have similar symptons , no reflux but a lot of burping and constant bloated in the small intestine / lower abs area

Liam1369
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   Posted 11/6/2017 4:51 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Maarten,

I've improved a lot since posting. Still not 100% but definitely a lot better.

What i found that really helped was running in the morning on an empty stomach, running and exercising as much as possible. Also, just eating and having a good time.

I've started drinking coffee again and having much larger portions.

I've started drinking alcohol and i really feel like rum and coke and brandy and coke help quite a bit. I don't know if it's the quite clean alcohol killing the bacteria or whatever.

I really doubt yours is bacteria.

You do mention the lower small intestines, this might be bacteria but i'm not sure.

I also got a standing desk at work, this has made the symptoms much better. Sitting down and being sluggish wont help.

The gastroenterologist explained it really well to me, he said it's basically nerve damage to the nerves in the stomach and upper small intestine. These control how food is 'mashed' and how gas is propelled through the small intestine. At the moment these aren't functioning properly therefore you burp more and feel more discomfort. Therefore, it's a functional disorder.

I totally agree with what he said, all my bacteria markers come out negative.

The sooner you accept it the sooner you will get better.

Please let me know if you have any questions or anything.


I would say i'm about 60% better since posting.

Oh and all the supplements were a waste of time and money and swallowing effort.

cyclinglady
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   Posted 11/6/2017 4:27 PM (GMT -7)   
Has celiac disease been ruled out?

Learn more from the University of Chicago’s celiac site:

http://www.cureceliacdisease.org/screening/

Liam1369
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   Posted 11/7/2017 2:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Yeah, I definitely don't have celiac, the amount of bread and wheat products I eat.

This all started after a bad acid rebound from stopping Omeprazole. I think it is nerve damage / irritable small bowel/irritable stomach syndrome.

Hoshie
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   Posted 11/7/2017 12:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the updates.

I think our stories are somewhat similar. I did everything in excess as well. I think a lot of my problems stemmed from chewing far too much nicotine gum. But what really set things off was a round of antibiotics and a steroid. Havent been the same since.

I've been a yoyo on a roller-coaster ever since.

Liam1369
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   Posted 11/7/2017 12:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi,

If you can trace back to an event like this than it’s most likely irritable stomach.

It should settle down with time. Just relax and have faith in your body.

I’m much better but I still have symptoms everyday.

Regards,

Liam

Hoshie
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   Posted 11/7/2017 1:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Haha I hope so. Ive had every test out there (seriously) and nothing ever comes back of real concern.

It's been 2 years now...Not as bad as I once was, but still nowehere close to my normal.

It's great you're optimistic ... something I need to work on. However, my issues have led to both depression/anxiety, as I think it has disrupted hormonal/neurotransmission processes. What a total beach this has been.

Liam1369
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   Posted 11/7/2017 1:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Hoshie,

You sound exactly how I used to act. If every test is coming back fine than you are fine.

I remember I had a urine ‘indican’ test which came back positive and I was so happy because it says it’s bacteria in your gut bla bla. My doctor was like did you eat a big protein meal in the evening (btw 25g+ protein in one meal is a lot) then it will come out positive.

He also said if 10 people had a urine test then 6 out of 10 will test positive for Candida and dysbiotic markers. But they’re fine.

Seriously, if it’s burping it’s just your stomachs ability to handle gas.

It unfortunate you’ve talked about anxiety and depression.

Let me tell you the two best things that helped me.

Running in the morning on an empty stomach.
Standing desk at work. If you have indigestion/burping, sitting down all day will delay recovery.

maarten023
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   Posted 11/9/2017 9:18 AM (GMT -7)   
thanks fot the quick response liam , watch out with excersizing and lifting weigths as that was indirectly the cause of my gut problems ,
i went to heavy in the smith machine and got pain in my wrist that didnt heal , went to the docter and he advised me to take ibuprofen for a week which gave me terrible gut problems , i think it destroyed my gut flora and damaged the nerves as you said ...

2 years later now im still not fully healed , but probiotics and a liver supplement did help me alot i must say..

never take painkillers , its poison

Liam1369
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   Posted 11/9/2017 11:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Yep, mine was similar. Acid hypersecretion from stopping Omeprazole after a stag do. Worst possible situation. Absolute nightmare.

I can truly say I’ll never ever use any drugs from doc again unless I’m definitely going to die if I don’t.

cyclinglady
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   Posted 11/9/2017 2:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Did you even research celiac disease? If so, you would have found that There are over 200 symptoms attributed to it. Some have a many symptoms, a few or NONE! Celiac disease is systemic. The only way to rule it out is to get a blood test.

One out of 125 people have celiac disease, but only 20% have been diagnosed.

Good luck!

Liam1369
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   Posted 11/9/2017 4:16 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey yeah I researched it.

I had a blood test it was negative.

I had a gastroendoscopy and the gastro doc said I definitely don’t have it.

The amount of bread and carbs I eat I know I don’t have it.
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