SIBO and and klesiella oxytoca bacteria

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   Posted 10/6/2017 6:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone had success treating SIBO involving klebsiella oxytoca?

I had a Genova CDSA 2.0 stool test which shows dysbiosis and K. Oyxtoca overgrowth.

Bacteriology section showed:

"Beneficial bacteria":
lactobacillus - no growth
escherichia coli - 3+
bifidobacterium 4+

"Additional Bacteria":
alpha haemolytic streptococcus 4+
gamma haemolytic streptoccus 3+
bacillus species 2+
pseudomonas aeruginosa 1+
enterobacter species 3+
klebsiella oxytoca 4+

I also had a 2 hour lactulose breath test which came out positive for SIBO and showed I'm hydrogen dominant with lower methane.

I am seeing an integrative physician, but this is not really his area of expertise though he says he has treated other SIBO patients. My concern is that the treatment he has me on - natural antimicrobials and probiotics - may not be effective. Klebsiella is resistant to antibiotics, so I'd like to know if anyone has had K Oytoca and had success treating it? I keep reading about a zillion different special diets for SIBO so I'm confused.

My feeling is that the natural microbials should be more selected for effectiveness towards the specific bacteria - k oxytoca - and that my doctor is taking a more generic approach to just SIBO as a generalized disorder, but perhaps the Candibactin he suggested (which appears to be primarily berberines and oils like thyme and oregano) may not be effective at treating this particular bacteria.

Post Edited (Meowalons) : 10/6/2017 5:59:18 PM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 10/10/2017 1:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Understanding the gut, bacteria, and Sibo is in its infancy. Just because some people experience success with certain treatments does not mean you will.

I've had Sibo for a couple years now and have tried a few approaches with limited success. Sibo (or whatever has happened to my gut) has been an absolute monster in my life.

The Facebook support group for Sibo is quite informative. Much better luck there with respect to your questions.

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   Posted 10/10/2017 9:32 PM (GMT -6)   
hey man, Just so u know those test are mostly useless.

Last time I checked (fairly recent), they haven't identified most of the
species that inhabit the intestinal track.

This from Thomas Borody. There is an interview online him saying this.
Also that those test don't account for many important bacteroides.

Given your condition, its most likely you do have gut dysbiosis. As do pretty much all of us. I thinking trying to fix this is a better approach (fecal transplant). For C-diff for example. You can treat with antibiotics and possibly make ur life a living hell and create new C-diff spores that are antibiotic resistant, or you can use a fecal tranplant and the theory is there is
a normal part of human flora that keeps the C-diff in check. Which part,
they don't know, as I said they haven't mapped intestinal bacteria completely,
or even close.

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   Posted 10/23/2017 7:52 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Hoshie, there are a few I'm on at Facebook. Which one have you found useful? I find the one I'm on mostly confusing, too much of everyone trying too many different things.

Post Edited (Meowalons) : 10/23/2017 7:09:27 PM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 10/23/2017 8:02 PM (GMT -6)   

Yes, Genova does mention dysbiosis is present when there is outgrowth of more of the "additional" than good bacteria.

Doctor Alex Vasquez, DO mentions he doesn't like to see k. oxytoca at all: [Dearest mods: there does not appear to be any advertising here, I hope it is okay to post this! I am not trying to sell or spam anything]

Dr. David Brownstein treated a patient who he says had IBS and k. oxytoca:
[link deleted in case I might get banned again for trying to link to info that includes ads, I don't see any on the site but Im gunshy at this point] - just Google it.

"Sarah’s test showed that she had a very small amount of healthy bacteria. Furthermore, she had an overgrowth of yeast (candida) and dysbiotic bacteria (Klebsiella oxytoca)."

And SIBO with IBS includes k oxytoca bacteria mentioned in this medical journal article (no advertising that I can see, mods please don't ban me!):

And there is a video of a chiropractor mentioning that he got SIBO from too much sauerkraut, k. oxytoca is one of the fermenting bacteria in sauerkraut.

So dysbiosis is present, and I've also had undigested food in stool and some nutrient deficiencies which are concurrent with SIBO/malabsorption and I guess its possible IBS.

Post Edited (Meowalons) : 10/23/2017 7:25:03 PM (GMT-6)

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