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Does daughter have Lupus? High ANA +

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LadyJean
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Posted 10/2/2022 2:55 PM (GMT -8)
My eighteen year old daughter just saw her lab results (since it’s the weekend we haven’t talked with Dr. yet). We suspected she might have Lupus since she has a butterfly rash on face, is very sensitive to the sun and is fatigued. Her ANA homogeneous is 1:1280 and speckled is 1:640. This is the first time I’ve heard about this test but the results sound bad. What do you all think? We are pretty nervous.
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LadyJean
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Posted 10/2/2022 5:29 PM (GMT -8)
Her Anti-Histone Ab is 1.7 which is considered high.
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beave
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Posted 10/2/2022 9:12 PM (GMT -8)
Is she on any medications for other conditions? Anti-Histone antibodies are often elevated due to another drug, ie, when the person has drug-induced lupus.

Did a rheumatologist order the blood tests? When is your daughter's follow-up visit, and with what doctor? She will definitely need to see a rheumatologist to sort all this out.
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LadyJean
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Posted 10/2/2022 10:05 PM (GMT -8)
She is on no medications. Her GP ordered the tests so we are on step one to see why she feels bad. I assume she will be referred to a rheumatologist if she needs to be. We just saw the lab results this weekend on the lab website so I’m sure her doctor hasn’t even seen them yet.
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beave
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Posted 10/2/2022 10:46 PM (GMT -8)
Yeah, her GP will definitely need to refer her to a rheumatologist. If you have input on which doctor your daughter will see, you can go ahead and start looking up rheumatologists in your area.
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LadyJean
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Posted 10/3/2022 4:43 AM (GMT -8)
Is it normal to have two patterns (homogeneous and speckled) in one test?
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beave
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Posted 10/3/2022 6:01 PM (GMT -8)
It happens. It's "normal" to not have either one positive. But having both does happen sometimes. It usually indicates an autoimmune disease, so that's why the rheumatologist needs to be involved - to sort this all out for you.
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Lynnwood
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Posted 10/3/2022 6:41 PM (GMT -8)
A positive ANA just indicates *something* *may* be wrong with the autoimmune response. The rheumatologist is the correct Dr to determine if anything is wrong, and if so, what it is and how to treat it. I am including below the different kinds of ANA patters and what they might indicate, as well as the 11 diagnosing symptoms for Lupus. Let me know if you have more questions!

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If ANAs are present, the pathologist will see fluorescent cells making a staining pattern. The fluorescent pattern seen can help identify the type of autoimmune disease present. Staining patterns include:

Homogenous: A homogenous staining pattern means the entire nucleus is stained with ANA. It’s the most common type of staining pattern. A homogenous pattern can mean any autoimmune disease but more specifically, lupus or Sjögren’s syndrome.
Speckled: A speckled staining pattern means fine, coarse speckles of ANA are present throughout the nucleus. A speckled pattern may indicate various diseases, including lupus and Sjögren’s syndrome.
Centromere: A centromere staining pattern means the ANA staining is present along the chromosomes. A centromere pattern may indicate scleroderma.
Nucleolar: A nucleolar staining pattern means ANA staining is present around the nucleoles. The nucleoles is inside the nucleus and produces the cell’s ribosomes. A nucleolar pattern may indicate scleroderma. But it can also indicate Sjögren’s syndrome or mixed connective tissue disease or be a false positive.
Peripheral: A peripheral staining pattern means ANA staining is present around the edges of the nucleus. It has a shaggy appearance. A peripheral pattern may indicate lupus.

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Typically, four or more of the following eleven criteria must be present to make a diagnosis of Systemic Lupus.

1. Malar rash: butterfly-shaped rash across cheeks and nose
2. Discoid (skin) rash: raised red patches
3. Photosensitivity: skin rash as result of unusual reaction to sunlight
4. Mouth or nose ulcers: usually painless
5. Arthritis (non-erosive) in two or more joints, along with tenderness, swelling, or effusion. With non-erosive arthritis, the bones around joints don’t get destroyed.
6. Cardio-pulmonary involvement: inflammation of the lining around the heart (pericarditis) and/or lungs (pleuritis)
7. Neurological disorder: seizures and/or psychosis
8. Renal (kidney) disorder: excessive protein in the urine, or cellular casts in the urine
9. Hematologic (blood) disorder: hemolytic anemia, low white blood cell count, or low platelet count
10. Immunologic disorder: antibodies to double stranded DNA, antibodies to Sm, or antibodies to cardiolipin
11. Antinuclear antibodies (ANA): a positive test in the absence of drugs known to induce it.

Best wishes,
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LadyJean
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Posted 10/4/2022 4:05 AM (GMT -8)
Thank you for your replies. After looking at that list it looks like a possibility.
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