First substance abuse (addiction) is in the DSM (diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders-text revision-four if you want to look it up), so it is a mental disorder. However, it is a disorder of choice, so I agree in part. It is a "mental and physical issue" and that is what I said. Please do not misconstrue. Because if one are volunteering to be overweight (and therefore sick) by eating too much and not exercising then I would said that one has a mental health issue because they lack affect for themselves, like people who cut themselves and seek escape by addiction. Obviously these people need intensive therapy/rehab.
Any disorder where one abuses their well being and body is a mental disorder, but calling an addiction a mental disorder takes the responsibilty away from the abuser to say"Well I have a mental disorder so I'm not responsible"
Training or participating in any addiction counseling, this is what is taught.
We can label chewing our nails, driving too fast, swearing too much as a mental disorder.
We need to be cautious as to what we call a mental disorder as to not take the onus off the abuser and put in on the action.
However, sometimes weight is not a choice and please do not stand in judgment of other people.
We all stand in judgment of others for one thing or another. Have you never judged another person? It's a human condition.
I am the most kind hearted person you will ever meet and yes I judge others who fault as others have judged me when I have faulted.
Kudos to me for at last being able to admit what I have said here and spoke the truth.
Yes I judge others who are obviously abusing the privilege of a handicap spot. Again, did not accuse anyone here of that, but I have seen with my own eyes on a daily basis ppl abusing these spots.
And I agree and have said in my posts "yes sometimes weight is not a choice, but most of the time it is"
Statistically, the rate of obesity is rarely caused by a medical or physical condition but by overeating and lack of exercise. I'm not pointing that statistic to anyone here. Some overweight people tend to blame their self induced condition on drugs, or hormones or being big boned, when in reality their weight was self inflicted. It's called denial.
I worked in the medical research field with pharmaceutical co's for 8 yrs. There were extensive studies done on obesity. Numbers and research rarely give a false outcome. research says, less than 5% of obesity is caused by physical factors.
Again, not saying this was the case for you or anyone here. But statistically it's impossible that everyone from this site who is overweight is so because of something out of their control.
(Especially between orthro reconstructions <therefore no exercise premitted> , TPN (when I can tolerate it a very limitted diet), and pred wise. I challenge anyone who has been on 80 mg (no that is not a mistype) of pred for years to not gain weight <no you cannot exercise due to ortho and you have a very limitted diet due to crohns>.) Perhaps what would have been the effective response the person who had harassed me was to show him the 83 inches of surgical reconstruction that I have before the age of 29. But pulling off my pants and taking off my shirt is socially unacceptable. To show him my egd, colonoscopy, blood work for my crohns (or perhaps the 40 blood transfusion that finally motivated me to get the handicap parking permit because I passed out from blood loss due to physical exertion which at the time that happened I could have lifted a huge bottle of water and no one could have seen the bleed because it takes a couple of minutes to reach the outside of the body). The cascade of lupus and MS into that mix…frankly that is too much for me to stuff in my purse.
Again, your case is differnt and your reply is defensive as if I was pointing my finger at you. When in fact, I don't think I even addressed you in my comment.
I'm sorry you're very sick.
What did concern me is your lack of compassion for other human beings, because you do not know what is going on with other people. I know you said, “I have lupus and personally I don't think lupus or being overweight is a reason to use a handicap parking.” You do know your experience of lupus, and I am glad that your experience of lupus has been one of resilience, grit, and that it sounds like you are combating you lupus well. I can certainly empathize (and be thankful that my time in a wheelchair was not permanent) with your niece. However, I would never say that I know what she was going thru, nor would I stand in judgment of her based upon my time in a wheelchair. It is my concern that you are this transferring of your individual experience to everyone else, and this is what I am picking up on... but I could be wrong.
There you go, you just judged me right there. See we all do it!
You don't know me, and if you did, there is no way you would say I have no compassion. I work with stray animals, I take and feed them all winter, I work with the elderly, disabled and I'm also working with the 500lb man I work with on trying to get him help.
I've already got him to see my Gastro, he did, he had gastric bypass. I got him into therapy for his food addiction and am now working with him on his diet and to join a gym.
Doesn't sounds like something an uncompassionate person would do?!
You call me uncompassionate because I spoke my mind and spoke some truths
Of course I am transfering my experiences, what else do we all have to go on? You just transfered your experience to me. This is how we teach eachother.
I do not mean this in a harsh or judgment way, but what I hope is that you grow in awareness that you really do not know what is going on with other people so you perhaps some consideration and compassion to others might be called for in this matter.
I grow in awareness every day on earth. You do not know what and how I have lived.
The trauma I faced in my life has been horrible. The horrible things that have happened to me have added to my compassion.
Because I have no compassion for people whom abuse handicap parking does not make me a louse or an evil witch.
So sad that you can judge me as being an inconsiderate and uncompassionate person based on that.
On that note, I am done posting here. It's too bad others are not entitles to thier opinions w/out being called uncompassionate and inconsiderate. I understand illness makes us bitter and angry and sometimes have no/low tolerance of others, but that doesn't make for a very pleasant place to come and express yourself.
I'm done replying....I think I made all the points I needed to.
Post Edited (peacesoul) : 7/18/2007 6:14:30 AM (GMT-6)