What Helps Reduce The Herxheimer Reaction

What helps with The Herxheimer Reaction
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Buspar - Blood Pressure reduction - 0.0%
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Sinulair - Allergy Meds - 11.1%
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Cholestrymine - Lowers Cholestral - 22.2%
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Actos - Blood Sugar reducer - 0.0%
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Anti inflamatories - 33.3%
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Natural things like Vitamin C Water and Heat - 33.3%

 
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KeepHope
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   Posted 10/20/2008 11:04 PM (GMT -7)   
just a poll
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Post Edited (KeepHope) : 3/8/2009 12:40:23 AM (GMT-7)


twingirl
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   Posted 10/27/2008 4:07 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi there Keephope,

Yes you are correct that it is very important to detox during treatment to keep the toxins from making us feel sicker. I also take warm baths with espom salts at least twice a week to reduce the herxing. This helps me a lot.

My sister has a portable FIR sauna that she uses and says it has made a huge difference for her. I'm going to try that one day when I am at her house to see if I like it.

take care,
dar

peacesoul
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   Posted 10/27/2008 5:07 AM (GMT -7)   
My herxes were so terrible, I was not able to really function. But what helped a bit was lots of lemon water and apple cider vin. Anything that would help move the toxins thought the organs quicker.
And also a very clean diet


The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong in the broken places


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 10/27/2008 2:29 PM (GMT -7)   
hey twin girl!
You should be pulling out of the low at some point, like week or so, if you are getting sicker and sicker, then maybe you should step back and look into what you are putting into your body.
If should listen to your body. If you are feeling worse and worse and getting lower and lower....that is not right!
What all are you drugging yourself with?
abx can kill you. that is no secret.
Be careful.
Maybe take yourself off of all the crap and go drug free for a while. give your body and break and then after you have been clean for a while, and this of course means eating right, then see how you feel. You could be poisening yourself! Your body is trying tell you something...listen to it.
I was told at the clinic to drink 8-10 glasses a day of clean water...and nothing else.
Others have old me to work out and then take a really hot bath. I hate baths but.....
I have read that Lyme does not like the heat.

How long has this been going on for you? I herxed for only about a week. And I could do do much at that time.
Are you on supplements too? the abx are going to do a number on your poor immune system.

You need to get those big packets of 7 tablet supp and take them twice a day. You need to feed your poor immune system. So that it can help itself.
I
I got Lymes in 2004. So did my 11 mos old daughter and my favorite dog Toto.


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 10/27/2008 2:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Keep hope....great name....
email me and I will try to start to answer some of your question...
I got Lymes in 2004. So did my 11 mos old daughter and my favorite dog Toto.


Martha's Vineyard
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   Posted 10/27/2008 2:38 PM (GMT -7)   
hey debbie....
Sounds like you are on the awful lyme treadmill...
darned if you do take the drugs and darned if you don't
you ask some very good questions and everyone has the same battle it seems.
I think that taking huge doses does not work for everyone. And that if you still feel like crap...then maybe you should try something else.
I too have gone through such hell on the abx. And many of my DR.s did not approve of the stuff that I was pumping into my body. But I did not listen to them. For they had no answers as to what did work for cronic lyme.
Actually most Dr. think that if you took doxy for 30 days after a tick bite that you do not have lyme...period.
It did not matter to them that I came back positive on all of my blood test.
it is maddening.
I have some other options for you, other than drugging youself with abx. I think that if your body feels so bad that you cannot walk or work, then it is trying to tell you something.
Like...stop poisening me...lol.......
marieallyne@aol.com I have a new thing that seems to be working very well for me at this time. and it is not deadly and it is not expensive
I got Lymes in 2004. So did my 11 mos old daughter and my favorite dog Toto.


SamplerSharon
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Date Joined Oct 2007
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   Posted 10/27/2008 3:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Martha's Vineyard said...
hey twin girl!
You should be pulling out of the low at some point, like week or so, if you are getting sicker and sicker, then maybe you should step back and look into what you are putting into your body.
If should listen to your body. If you are feeling worse and worse and getting lower and lower....that is not right!
What all are you drugging yourself with?
abx can kill you. that is no secret.
Be careful.
Maybe take yourself off of all the crap and go drug free for a while.
I



Sheesh. I'm de-lurking to respond to KeepHope and Martha's Vineyard here.

KeepHope, I'm sorry you're struggling so with the herxing. I can totally empathize with you. It has been explained to me (and is also available in some of the Lyme literature) that Lyme patients who have co-infections, particularly those that are co-infected with Mycoplasmas, will be much sicker and feel the effects of herxes far more than a person with only Lyme or perhaps only one or two co-infections.

I can understand how it feels because I have everything you've listed (except I haven't been tested for HV6 yet).

It has been explained to me by lyme doctors that much of the pain, discomfort and ill feeling we experience during Lyme (particularly during herxing) is due to inflammation. So you are on the right track as far as finding some relief for the herxing by turning to anti-inflammatories-type treatment.

One thing that was recommended to me by one of my docs was to use Quercitin for the inflammation. And it has definitely helped me. While it does not completely get rid of herxing reactions, it takes the edge off a bit sometimes. There are many companies that make Quercitin (it's an over the counter supplement). The brand recommended to me was made by Perque.

Another thing that has really helped (for me anyway) was to increase my probiotic doses. Another thing that seems to help many people (including me) is glutathione. I get mine by IV. It can stop a herx in it's tracks sometimes. But I would not supplement with this without checking with your doc first. If one has a problem with heavy metal toxicity, sometimes the glutathione can cause rapid detoxing of the metals at time when the body might not be best able to handle it.

Herxing for that many infections does not last only one week, as Martha'sVineyard eluded to. That statement seems contradictory to everything I've been told and read on treating Lyme and Lyme Co-Infections. I have been told by lyme doctors to expect to herx on and off throughout treatment.

Martha'sVineyard, I don't know to whom you were directing your above post to. While you address twingirls, your "advice" as it were, seems directed to KeepHope. So, I'll presume you were responding to her?

I think it's a shame that you have told a Lyme patient that the treatment she is receiving will kill her.

The leading Lyme doctors all say that antibiotics alone will probably not cure chronic Lyme and Lyme Co-Infections, that other treatments usually have to be incorporated at some point during treatment (i.e., herbs, supplements, treatements to boost the immune system, exercise, detoxing, etc.). However, they also admit that in patients with persistant, chronic, Lyme and Lyme Co-Infections, particularly with co-infected Mycoplasmas, antibiotics are needed. And frequently needed for relatively "long" courses at least at some point during treatment.

If Martha's post was directed to you, KeepHope, I'm sorry that you were responded to like that.

Just my sorry 'ole 2 cents.

SS

wacko woman
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Date Joined Mar 2008
Total Posts : 182
   Posted 10/27/2008 4:04 PM (GMT -7)   
KeepHope,

What a lovely name! Good inspiration to hold onto.

You asked about detoxing. It is so important! Several people gave you some ideas on what they do for detoxing. Deejavu started a thread a while ago that talked a lot about herx's and detoxing. The thread is:

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=1057330

but I will bump it up so that you can click on it easily.

Be Well,
Wacko Woman

ticker
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   Posted 10/29/2008 5:49 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi Debbie, welcome to the board!

I am sorry you have so many infections.  I agree with SS that when multiple infections are present symptoms are usually more severe.  You are fighting serious infections, and this can cause severe fatigue.

I am surprised your doctor gave you steroids.  People who have Lyme should not take them because they can make symptoms worse.  I suggest reseraching this and/or talking with your doctor about it.  There are many other anti-inflammatories you can take to help with inflammation.

It is important to do things to strengthen your immune system such as eating healthy, drinking a lot of water, exercising whenever possible, doing detox baths/sauna/steam, taking appropriate supplements.  Do you take Milk Thistle?  If your liver is healthy, this is a good supplement to take.  You may want to ask your doctor about taking Chitosan, but make sure it is taken far enough apart from any other supplements and meds.  Parsley drops by NutraMedix is another detox product.  It may help to take Alka Seltzer when you are herxing.

Hang in there okay?  It can take time to get better.

 

KeepHope
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   Posted 3/7/2009 11:38 PM (GMT -7)   
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Post Edited (KeepHope) : 3/8/2009 12:15:23 AM (GMT-7)


DocsKat
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   Posted 3/9/2009 2:21 PM (GMT -7)   
As a recovered Lyme patient and former coordinator of the Lyme Care Center in NJ, I have been fortunate to have known many of the leading Lyme literate physicians in the NE. Both of my children were also treated extensively and successfully for LD. Their doctor recommended benedryl to help through herxheimers. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any silver bullet. Just remember that as awful as they are, herxheimers confirm that the treatment is working. Typically saunas will intensify a herxheimer, as the heat will exacerbate die-off.
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