Lyme disease and Cancer

I have to share this with everyone here. I have been told too many times that people have been diagnosed with Lyme and Cancer. At the same time. I have met people on this forum as well with both. Some feel blindsided by the news. I can only imagine. When I have spoken to many people at my clinic here in Az. All of the people that are trying to heal their immune systems due to aggressive treatment for their cancer. All of them also test positive for Lyme disease. I was wondering why they were all drilling me about my Lyme disease. It is odd, because the people with huge issues with cancer only had some slight pain. And them whammo they have two diseases.
yet known of them knew of being bitten and none of them every knew what Lyme was.
A lot of them were out door types. And so it could have gone un noticed very easily. But I was shocked to find out that lyme left untreated could grow cancer. It makes since if Lyme is a harmful bacteria and it gets inside the cells of our body. And does nothing but cause problems with the bodies immune system and cells. Food for thought. And makes it that more important for us to figure out how to rid our bodies of this bacteria once and for all.

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2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."

Deejavu...did your brothers get tested at IGENEX for lyme?

My home work is being done with about 20 people here at the clinc and every single one of them test postive lyme.
Odd no? And well. I was told by three Dr.s that the lyme invades the cells in the body and this is where it hides out. And cancer is all about cells in the body.
I have read a lot about Lyme yes. But I believe from all the people that I have spoken to that they had the lyme first and did not know that they had it. And that they
later developed cancer from it.
Bacteria that that can hide inside the bodies cells, and avoid abx treament.

I lost my whole family to cancer. We had three huge horse and cattle ranches. Who knows.

I am sure that if someone decides to smoke or drink or dip that this increases many types of cancer. And more problems. But the fact that all of these people are testing
postive for lyme is a fact not my speculation.

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2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."

You need to keep in mind. lyme testing is faulty and not conclusive.

Since this is the case, there is a huge possibility that the cell destruction from cancer and the faulty transcribing of the DNA from the cancer cells could be giving false + to lyme

Until there is a 100% full proof conclusive test for lyme, there really is no way to know this.

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The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong in the broken places

Does anyone know if this cancer correlation is indicative of lyme being untreated? or just having lyme in general?

Funny you say that DOWA! Sorry about your friend.
You just reminded me of something that most of the cancer people have told the nurses. They did not know that they had lyme and then something really bad happened, like a car accident or a death. Or like you said, finding out that you have cancer. That would do it on a major stress level.

Hezzer....the people that have cancer never knew that they had lyme they did not even know what it was. And they were all giving me the third degree about it. So they went untreated for lyme for no telling how long and no telling what their co-infections could have been too.
Just left to grow, and did nothing about it. Like me, I had no idea what was wrong with my baby, till it hit me 3 weeks later. But I found the ticks on all of us. So it was much easier for us.

Keep hope...what is the problem with your Thyriod, which one? I was reading some interesting things in this book I have about it. All about the immune system.

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2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."

As a scientist, I feel the Lyme controversy exists (in part) because of medical professionals failing to educate themselves on scientific and clinical FACTS.   That being said, it is conceivable that dormant viruses could possibly cause cancer in Lyme patients that become severely immunocompromised.  A similiar thing is observed in AIDS patients which can get Kaposi's sarcoma as a result of their weakened immune system.  However, as long as there is no proof that SOME Lyme patients could get cancer (as a direct result of LD) it is extremely reckless to make such claims!!! 

It is highly unlikely the Lyme bacteria (by itself) could cause malignant transformation.  Even if there is a connection between Lyme and cancer (which I seriously doubt), only a VERY small percentage would be at risk.   

Hopingtofindcure,

I'm not aware of the link between antibiotic usage and cancer. I'll try to give that a look sometime today and I'll let you know what I find.

needshelp said...

As a scientist, I feel the Lyme controversy exists (in part) because of medical professionals failing to educate themselves on scientific and clinical FACTS.   That being said, it is conceivable that dormant viruses could possibly cause cancer in Lyme patients that become severely immunocompromised.  A similiar thing is observed in AIDS patients which can get Kaposi's sarcoma as a result of their weakened immune system.  However, as long as there is no proof that SOME Lyme patients could get cancer (as a direct result of LD) it is extremely reckless to make such claims!!! 

It is highly unlikely the Lyme bacteria (by itself) could cause malignant transformation.  Even if there is a connection between Lyme and cancer (which I seriously doubt), only a VERY small percentage would be at risk.   

My best friend is a PHD cancer rsearcher and also a leukemia survivor. There is a belief in the oncology community that leukemia is virus related.

But I believe any virus or bacteria that we are exposed to can and will open up our weakened immuned system to many illnesses.
I agree with you, making claims stating lyme causes cancer is downright unfounded and causes hysteria.

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The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong in the broken places

jeezea luoizea - I can't keep up with my "own" case of LD and everything else that is going wrong............ I don't want to think about cancer... especially since I have a repeat pelvic sonogram for something "big" to do with my left ovary. This just sucks.

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I think that if the lyme is dealt with and the immune system is taken care of, that it won't manifest itself into something worse later on. But if left to fester, and to never address it, only because none of these people knew anything about it. We are all on a different track. Everyone on here is addressing and fighting the bacteria.
Keep hope...you go girl...:>)

Knowledge is power. All of the stuff is so controversial for sure. So is the fact that 60% of the people in the medical wards in NYC's mental hospital tested positive for Lyme.
That was in Pamela's Book. I can understand that one easily.

Also the mention of Alztimeirs and lyme disease. I get that connection as well.
The MRI's don't pick it up, but ask anyone with the nuerological problems ass. with their lymes if they feel like they are losing their minds. I mean if you can't work, can't finish a sentence and can't find your way home from the grocery store...and can't remember people's faces forget names, with lyme. That is Alztemiers in my book. And it comes and goes too. My grandmother had it.
My father has been sick for years. And they do not know what is wrong with him. He was once a brilliant tax attorney. And then, he was unable to do anything. I have supported my 65 year old father for a long time. But now I think he may very well have Lyme. He was a big hunter and golfer. Not the brain disease that they thought. of Of course we went through 8 nuero. Dr's and they all did not agree on anything. Hence the words"Medical Practice" lol
I don't need the opinion of any more Dr.s to make my own assessments. When Dr. Steere and Dr. Shapiro, who are supposed to be the top Disease men in the world, don't even believe in Cronic Lyme then I have no time to argue about their ignorance.
I can only hope that they soon get some first hand experience with this disease and it's co infections. Since that is the only way that they are to realize and learn that the 10 days of doxy is absurd!

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2004 in Martha's Vineyard me and my two daughters then 11 mos and 6 all got Lyme Disease. This was only known to us because we found the tiny ticks on us and we got very ill. My dog also got lyme and he went lame.
We have fought it for 4 years to no avail.
We all got it again this summer is Texas.
I am now in treatment in Scottsdale Arizona at Envita.

"The eyes cannot see for for what the mind does not know."

I believe this because on one side of my family both grandparents died of cancer and then 5 of my 12 aunts and uncles did too. Breast cancer is past on from one generation to the next too, so in that case - there's no cancer germ!

I do believe we do not know enough about the impact antibiotics -- like even what many of us are doing -- have on one's body. I have to tell you -- even pre-Lyme days -- I've had t r o u b l e!!!

Martha's Vineyard said...
 So is the fact that 60% of the people in the medical wards in NYC's mental hospital tested positive for Lyme.

Where did you get this info from?

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The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong in the broken places

testing is inconclusive and very faulty so for her to claim that 60% of people in medical wards are + for lyme is irresponsible and prove, you can't believe everything you read.

First of all, who paid for all these patients to get a test?
second, there is no way a high % of people would ever agree to pay for these tests

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The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong in the broken places