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nefferdun
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   Posted 4/23/2009 9:20 AM (GMT -7)   
DMSO penetrates the skin taking medicines (or toxins) into tissue and blood. It is anti-inflammatory, an antioxidant and a pain reliever. It also kills bacteria. So I got an idea this morning for an experiment, to put some on certain parts of my body I know to be infected with bartonella such as my shins which hurt and have bumps on top of the bone. I mixed the DMSO with a little cumanda. I also put a little on my sore arm as it is supposed to be good for tendinitis pain. I just read that lyme likes to travel through collagen rather than the blood. This will penetrate into your tissue and collagen and perhaps help to kill the lyme.
I am taking it slowly, don't worry - no DMSO baths just yet. I will report back if I see any improvement. It is often mixed with hydrogen peroxide which seems like a good idea. It is approved for the treatment of a form of cystitis, I believe the kind many of us have complained about.
Side effects are burning feeling after being applied (I don't notice it) and a taste like garlic or oysters in your mouth.

Tallison
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   Posted 4/23/2009 9:51 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi, I have been wanting to do that, too.  I have a bottle of 99% DMSO, and then also a gel that has like 45% in it.  I applied the get but it didn't do much for a few weeks.  I have been a little nervous to try the DMSO, or to mix it.

KO-LD
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   Posted 4/23/2009 10:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi, What is DMSO?  What is it prescribed for? 
Thanks, KO
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol 


nefferdun
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   Posted 4/23/2009 12:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Google it online to get the best explanation of what it is. It is a by product of making trees into paper and it is what MSM comes from, which is a joint supplement and anti-inflammatory substance you take orally. I bought some years ago and it has been sitting on the shelf because it sounds scary but after researching it online, it is safe - certainly more so than most abx. After putting it on my arm this morning, my pain is reduced. You need to be careful when you apply it that your skin is very clean and the DMSO is not contaminated with anything because it takes everything into your tissue including dirt. You need to be careful what you buy that it is the best grade, not industrial. Health food stores usually carry it. I got mine from the feed store as it is used to treat sore muscles in horses.
I am thinking that I can take medicine or herbs right into my tissue, passing my intestines. I have bartonella skin problems and painful body parts where I have always thought a "colony" of lyme is formed. I can treat these areas and see what happens. DMSO has been given to people by IV along with peroxide, and it can even be taken orally in very small amounts but I am not interested in exploring that route.

KO-LD
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   Posted 4/23/2009 2:06 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the info, I will certainly look into it some more.  Please post again with an update I am curious to see what happens.
Thanks, KO
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol 


dorit
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   Posted 4/23/2009 3:01 PM (GMT -7)   
nefferdun - thanks for sharing the info about your experiment. Sounds really interesting! I am also very curious what happens. Please keep us updated!! I keep my fingers crossed that it works with the cumanda - it would be soooo great!! dorit

Razzle
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   Posted 4/24/2009 12:44 AM (GMT -7)   
A word of caution: Do not use DMSO or MSM if you are sensitive to sulfites...

Voice of experience,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Colloidal Silver (used topically), IV Milk Thistle, probiotics.


Turquoise Sky
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   Posted 4/24/2009 7:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, I'm new to all of this.  My primary area of pain and tingling sensation is at the base of my neck or top of my back.  I'm used to the tight muscles up there, but the tingling sensation is new.  Is it that the spirochetes are attacking there?  I get achy all over as well, in it feels like all of my nerve endings, esp. feet and hands.  That comes and goes and so do the muscle twinges and joint pain.  But I am thinking that is possibly herx? 

yaniv_naced
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   Posted 4/24/2009 9:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Interesting. A guy over on Lymenet (who got banned) was rubbing stuff on his body and then checking his blood under a microscope. After one of his experiments he said his blood looked super clean and the RBC looked the healthiest he'd ever seen. You may be on to something. That guy never revealed what the substance was.

nefferdun
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   Posted 4/25/2009 9:49 AM (GMT -7)   
I will keep you updated. I was given levaquin so my arm pain is probably not related to lyme - I don't really know. So far it is not making a significant difference in my arm but I will continue to use it and look for changes in other parts of my body such as my skin. I also mix it with clove bud oil and I have tried grapefruit seed extract, both strong anti-bacterial agents.
I am very curious about this stuff. The good news is there is no discomfort or side effects from it.
MSM and DMSO are a type of sulphur. I got hives from sulphur many years ago and have always listed it as an allergy but this does not affect me. Dried fruit preserved in sulphur also does not bother me.
The stuff does sound scary as it has also been used to strip furniture and this morning I dropped some on finished wood and it immediately softened the finish!! However, if you research it online, there are stories of it really helping people that suffered for years with RA and even scars from 3rd degree burns.

Razzle
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   Posted 4/25/2009 4:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Sulfa antibiotics aren't the same form of sulfur as the preservative sulfites or elemental sulfur. A person can be allergic or sensitive to one, two or all 3 forms of sulfur...
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Colloidal Silver (used topically), IV Milk Thistle, probiotics.


nefferdun
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   Posted 4/25/2009 6:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks razzle. I took a hot bath (your skin is supposed to be clean) and put it on tonight with a lot of clove bud oil which also contains cinnamon. Ouch! I was very red. It just feels warm now and tingly. There is something online that is probably hogwash saying that DMSO binds with chemo drugs and targets only the cancer cells. It went on to sy it was a miracle cure and was never approved because no one really wants a cure for cancer.

dorit
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   Posted 4/25/2009 6:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi nefferdun -
I am reading all this with increasing interest, already thinking what combo I could mix. VEry interesting! Thanks so much for updating us! Btw - sounds to me as if the online article really is only hogwash.

Hi Razzle -
thanks a lot for the allergy warning!

greetings, dorit

nefferdun
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   Posted 4/26/2009 9:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Schaller says clove bud oil is good for treating bartonella. I got three bottles of it from American herb and spice but they sent me something different that is used to treat toothache and also has cinnamon and oreganol. It is very pungent, keeps your breath "fresh" for a long time when taken in some water. As I had much more than I needed I decided to use it externally with the DMSO. It burns like heck, leaving my skin red. So I looked it up online where I read clove is not recommended to be applied to the skin because it is so irritating. So I am going to use something else. I don't have enough Cumanda left so I will use grapefruit seed extract which is so powerful it can be used to sterialize before surgery. It also is good to control yeast and can kill the cyst form of lyme. When I get my HH maybe I will try some of that as it is the bart in my skin that I would like to attack. I think it will probably take a month to see a change. I hope it does something.

yaniv_naced
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   Posted 4/26/2009 9:37 AM (GMT -7)   
It might also be interesting to try lauricidin on the skin.
I suppose you'd have to make a paste of the lauricidin pellets in a mortar and pestle and mix it with your DMSO.
The guy on lymenet never said what his magic mix was but he did hint at something coconut.

KeepHope
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   Posted 4/27/2009 3:26 AM (GMT -7)   
I think its a great idea what your doing. The skin is ignored way to much as an organ and a way to treat this disease. I was also reading about DMSO for cancer treatment for a family member and I know I read somewhere too that you can delivery Chemo using DMSO through the skin.
I bet we could come up with a slew of treatments using DMSO to deliver it through our skin as opposed to digesting it.
I was thinking you could use it for MMS treatments. I have some MMS but hate that taste and it is hard to take because of that. I may try it this way..
Keep us up to date on how you are feeling and reacting .... : ) I love your idea. !!!

KeepHope
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   Posted 4/27/2009 3:30 AM (GMT -7)   
How about EDTA too?

minerals
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   Posted 4/27/2009 10:59 AM (GMT -7)   
I was listening to Humble's interview (he is the inventor of MMS) and DSMO is mentioned there a few times. I also am interested so I ordered MMS and am looking forward to trying it. A year ago my daughter-in-law who works in a hospital told me a few lyme sufferer collegues of hers have tried MMS and their Babesia is gone., I figured being I did 2 years of mepron just to make sure mine is gone I am going to take MMS as well. I also would try DSMO if I can find it. Google HUMBLE and MMS the interview is very interesting-- he claims it will help lyme and other things--the guy is not out to make any money-just wants to share his knowledge. Blessings

DX. LYME  7 /03 -I believe I 've had it since 1985- 
oral doxi, amoxi 6 months. Have been bitten 2x since                  
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nefferdun
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   Posted 4/27/2009 5:09 PM (GMT -7)   
I read a little about MMS but forget what it said so I will have to look it up again. It is rare for someone to not be out to make money - It seems like everyone has a cure they want to sell.
I am still using DMSO twice a day. I need to order some more. It seems that my brown spots on my arm are a little less noticable. It hasn't helped the tendonitis in my arm but I really aggravated it yesterday, which brings me to another exploration which is ultrasound. I am going in for treatment tomorrow and it is only about a dollar a minute. Ultrasound sends heat internally and increases blood flow. I have also wondered about thermage which is a radio wave that heats up the collagen in your skin, used to tighten loose skin. That is very expensive. Lyme dies when the temperature is over 106 degrees and it also does not like oxygen.

KeepHope
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   Posted 4/28/2009 4:44 PM (GMT -7)   
I am going to look up and read more about this. Does anyone else know about DMSO and MMS?
I wonder if you can use the DMSO to deliver the MMS>
I just can not keep on digesting all my treatments. It is wearing on me. Know what I mean?

nefferdun
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   Posted 4/28/2009 6:32 PM (GMT -7)   
I looked at part of the seventy five minute interview with Humble about MMS and it sounds interesting. Has anyone tried it?
I know what you mean about the abx treatments. I was optimistic about going on them again but didn't last long. The levaquin did kill a lot of the bartonella. I do not have the muscle twitching or the brain fog and feeling of being detached from life that I had before I took it - but it sure did a number on my muscles. I went to physical therapy today for ultrasound treatments and exercises. It felt a little better afterwards. I would sure like to feel normal again.

KO-LD
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   Posted 6/9/2009 8:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Nefferdun,
Just wondering what happened with your DSMO experiement?  What did you try and what were your results?
KO
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009

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