source for houttuynia (HH) - not so expensive!

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   Posted 5/4/2009 7:28 AM (GMT -7)   
I am trying to find an online source to buy houttuynia.  Zhang's prices are so high it woud cost a fortune to take them in high enough amounts to cure anything.   Schaller says his recommendation of 3 a day is only a fraction of what is needed.  I ordered from one site but what came was completely different from what is in Zhang's capsules.  Zhang's  HH smells and tastes absolutely rotten - just like dead fish and so disgusting a little tiny bit on your tongue will make you gag.  The other brand was palatable and a different color.

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   Posted 5/4/2009 10:17 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Nefferdun,

I have spent alot of money consulting with Schaller. Can you email me ?


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   Posted 5/4/2009 1:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Please keep us posted, I and I'm sure many others are very interested in what you find out.
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol 

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   Posted 5/4/2009 2:08 PM (GMT -7)   

Yeah i tried to explain this all before(many herxes ago). There are many ways to make an extract of YU Xing Cao. The perticular company that makes the extract for Zhangs is roughly a 1:8-1:10 ratio. Their process involves a dry extract process utilizing corn starch(long technical story). Hepapro has a more technical term for the corn starch on the label(vegatable stearin or cellulose). They are most likely the only ones in china that make it this certain way which does maintain all the proper chemicals found in the herb. Perticularly the fishy smelling aldehyde type crystals found on the outside of the leaves and inside of the plant. I used to be in contact with this company in china and their minumum order was 50 kilos of the hepapro type Yu Xing Cao. I have since lost the email and phone #'s because at the time of my research, there was no clear answer as to how well the hhcapsules work. It would have been a risky investment for myself and my company to order such a large quanity of a material that is yet to be proven. According to the price of the real yu xing cao from this company. I estimated Zhangs actual product cost at $1.50(including bottle and label).

The other extracts from 1stchineseherbs etc that utilize a different process are evident from simple examination. They use an alcohol gas extraction process which loses many of the important chemicals that come form the plant. These other extracted versions are more pleasant on the tongue and have a more cinnamon smell to them. I'm just not 100% sure if they perform like the hepapro type Houttuynia. 

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   Posted 5/5/2009 7:29 AM (GMT -7)   
bigdreams, I have emailed you.
phsinvent, I wish you had kept that information. How did you find it? I am taking 9 capsules HH a day - 250mg each, and two 1000 mg capsules of the other stuff. I will up the other houttuynia but I do not know if it will be nearly as effective. I hope a 1000mg capsule will equal 250mg of Zhangs but if taste is any indication of potency, then I would say the stuff is worthless.
There are other companies that sell TOA free Samento too. I am using capsules from another company and the tincture from nutramedix. I am spending about $500 a month on herbs.
I took Levaquin which I think knocked out most of the bart but I have tendonitis in my right arm and I do not know if it is caused from levaquin or related to lyme - I have had it several times before but not this serious or this long.
Besides that I feel fine - better than I have in years. I always have symptoms flare this time of month before the full moon but this month I do not have typical headache, muscle twitching, pins and needles, chills etc. I also have much more energy and motivation and I can think more clearly.
But I still have indications in my skin that the bart is with me so I am not going to get too optimistic.

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   Posted 8/14/2009 1:35 PM (GMT -7)   

you wrotten:

[quote]Schaller says his recommendation of 3 a day is only a fraction of what is needed.

Whelse dose recommend Dr.Schaller?
Lyme since Juli 2008

On Dr Zhang┬┤s Protocol since 7 Mai 2009

Garlic powder SAPEC 2-0-2 = 4 mg Allicin a day
Houttunya Cordata 50 mg 2-0-0 = 100 mg HH a day
Circulation P 0-0-1

I have orded the originalproducts from Dr Zhang (Hepapro).

I am feeling better!

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   Posted 1/29/2013 6:35 AM (GMT -7)   
You can get Houttuynia from _____________. It works better than Zhangs(which did nothing for me). It's much more reasonably priced. Bigger capsules for cheaper.
I'm skeptical about all this custom extract sales hype.


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