My name is Chasz from the Netherlands. Ive been bitten by a tick last year and started 30 days of oral doxi 200 mg for 30 days in the 5th week after being bitten and the 2nd week after being tested positive. My symptoms returned after the antibiotics and then subsided again only to be replaced with creaking joints and muscle fasculations a couple of months later. I still have those to some degree now but I'm kinda used to them. My igm and igg have gone down but my c6 is still high. My question concerns human to human transmission. Why? Because during my search into my own symptoms last year, which sometimes was a necessary evil, I came accross a lot of stories about
doctors (and patients)who are wondering if Lyme is in fact a contagious disease rather than purely a vector-borne one. Before elaborating on this further please take note of this: NO REAL RESEARCH with humans has been done here and yet the general concensus is that it cannot be transferred from one human to another. Based on absolutely nothing! However, the scientific studies that have been done with animals all seem to point more in favour of the fact that it is possible. Mother to unborn child transmission has been proven and documented and also the Borrelia bacteria are "related" to/of the same family as the bacteria that causes Sifilys which as we all know is in fact a well know sexually transmitted disease. Futhermore some figures seem to indicate that partners of Lyme patients test positive more often statistically speaking. This is generally attributed to the fact that both partners frequent the same natural surroundings but no proof of this exists because this is not easy to research.
In animal testing by Burgess Cats and Mice could be infected orally. Also contact transmission with dogs and mice could be established!
Sources: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1416347?dopt=Abstract, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3826500?dopt=Abstract, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3554844?dopt=Abstract
"We find no study that addresses sexual transmission of Bb among humans; conversely, we find no study supporting that it does not occur. Inferential data, however, suggest the possibility of human sexual transfer. The data come from sound veterinary studies (96,98,115), the finding of Bb in human semen and breast milk (128,129), and by similarity to Treponema pallidum where sexual transfer is abundantly documented (117,130,131). Our clinical experience strongly suggests that predictable, possibly inevitable Bbsl transfer between sexually active couples occurs. The preponderance of infected spouses we have tested to date also exhibit positive serology or PCR for Bbsl presence." Source: http://www.ilads.org/files/harvey.pdf
I really can’t imagine why no further studies are being undertaken regarding this subject. Ofcourse one could say that if it were that contagious a lot of people would have it already? Now keep in mind that the disease can manifest more than 10 years after a person has been infected and that a lot of people who are diagnosed with other diseases suddenly test positive for Lyme and ask yourself this question again. Lyme disease isn't called "the great imitator" for nothing as it can mimic at least a hundred symptoms of other diseases.
There is not much information because it simply hasn't been researched yet! I do however read some encouraging remarks here and there that kissing is highly likely(if ofcourse human to human transmission is possible at all) to be safe because the Borrelia can't or don't like to live in human saliva. Does anyone have -or do you know anyone that has a somewhat scientific opinion on the likelyhood of this being the case? I am very interested in your or other people's/doctors/scientist standpoint on this(I know no real hard fact exist as of yet so I'll regard it as an opinion only) I broke up with my girlfriend last year part of the reason also being because we were both scared by all those stories floating around and now I sometimes feel stuck with the “responsibility” towards someone else.
The only sort of study with humans that has been done was by doctor Bach in 2001. He recovered Borrelia dna from semen samples.
"Suprisingly, initial laboratory testing of semen samples provided by male Lyme patients (positive by western blot/PCR in blood) and the male sexual partner of a Lyme infected female patient were positive approximately 40% of the time. PCR recovery of Lyme DNA nucleotide sequences with microscopic confirmation of semen samples yielded positive results in 14/32 Lyme patients (13 male semen samples and 1 vaginal pap).
CONCLUSION: With the initially impressive data, we feel the subsequent statistical study on the sexual transmission of the Lyme spirochete will illuminate a much broader sectrum of public health concerns associated with the disease than the originally accepted tick borne vector."
That’s like 8 years ago! Shouldnt this have already had a follow up test by someone? I mean this is a major area of interest I would say. Especially so if you take into account the responsibility towards an unborn child. Try to keep in mind that nothing has either been proven or disproven so I might be wrong with my gut feeling.
Also I see people like me posting their concerns, but maybe we should all really try to be more effective in getting the word out on this? Like mentioning to freelance journalists what an “interesting” and unexplored area this is? I’m just throwing it out there. Ofcourse you achieve the most not by sounding panicky, but by sounding sane and credible. I guess it will take a lot of patience.
It would be really great if someone would figure out a test that could say with 100% certainty whether or not all the bacteria are gone or incapacitated after antibiotics because too many people keep having complaints after being treated "succesfully" as I was. The whole post-lyme syndrom is again just a name given to complaints which cannot be explained. There is however no real proof that a post lyme syndrom actually exists. It might just as well be bacteria having survived the treatment.
Good luck everyone and let me know what you think.
I am not a doctor or medical professional. If I can (find them) I'll post links to research results and scientific facts relating to the thread/topic in which my post is made and to my post. Otherwise I am speaking from personal experience and/or information gathered from other Lyme related websites.
Post Edited (Chasz) : 10/7/2009 6:55:42 AM (GMT-6)