For those on Cat's Claw, Resveratrol, and Andrographis ? about Herx?

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KO-LD
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   Posted 6/3/2009 11:20 AM (GMT -7)   
For those that have taken Cat's Claw, Resveratrol and Andrographis,  I just started 1 3x/day of each (Buhner's Protocol) and in my 5th day I had what could have been a herx.  Temp 99 I usually run 97.8 or so, headache, just achy all over with migrating joint pain.  Kinda like how I herxed from low dose of Doxy only not as severe.  Any thoughts?
Thanks, KO
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009


Ginnia
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   Posted 6/3/2009 2:09 PM (GMT -7)   
I am convinces you have to sleep as much as you can while taking the anti's.  Your body is then free to fight - you aren't calling on it todo anything else.
Hope you improve.
 
Ginnia
 

Razzle
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   Posted 6/3/2009 7:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, I too saw an increase in joint pain when on these 3 herbs. I added nettles to the mix per Buhner's instructions for joint pain in his book, and that took the pain away again. And then the other shoe fell...my gut shut itself down from esophagus down...and I haven't been able to eat since. A few LLMD/LLND's and I think this is a result of Lyme/Bartonella herx gone amok, and my body has not been able to recover due to how long I've been sooooo sick (chronic malabsorption = malnutriton; not enough raw materials to make repairs = inability to recover from herxes or flares sufficiently = continual down-hill slide).

So be careful and make sure you are doing detox. Take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Colloidal Silver (used topically), IV Milk Thistle, probiotics.


Jendays247
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   Posted 6/3/2009 8:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Razzle-

!!! I did not know you were in such bad shape!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is your next step...? Can you slowly recover from this?
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Razzle
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   Posted 6/3/2009 8:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Jensdays247,

We're still working on stabilizing my nutrition without making my liver too unhappy. The next step would be to figure out how to treat me without making things too much worse. I hope I can recover from this...

Thanks,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Colloidal Silver (used topically), IV Milk Thistle, probiotics.


+Lyme
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   Posted 6/3/2009 8:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Razzle, I am so sorry that you are so ill! This is so saddening and frightening! I do feel certain that you WILL recover, I'm just sorry for everything you are going thru to get there. I'm glad you like your Drs and that they seem to be open minded in their attempts to help you!
Lyme in NC in 1971? Suspect TBI: Fully engorged tick followed by high fever and tonsillitis. Follwed by , lumps on neck,  chronic tonsillits w/ constant low grade to recurring high (104) fevers, severe unexplained neck stiffness and acute neck pain.   Followed by tonsillectomy, urinary tract infections, miscarriage, appendicitis while pregant, chronic severe back pain. Followed by depression, mild anxiety, mitral valve prolapse, and hypglycemia.  What was this??
 
Bit again couple of times, lyme suspect bite Mother's Day 2007. Bite, symptoms, lyme specific antibodies on the most lyme specific band of all = 39 IgG.  Still awaiting appt w/ LLMD.


KO-LD
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   Posted 6/4/2009 8:50 AM (GMT -7)   
BUMP!
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009


Razzle
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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 4399
   Posted 6/4/2009 10:14 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks +Lyme for your kind words. Take care,
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, Pancytopenia, chronic malabsorption/malnutrition, etc.; G-Tube; Currently TPN-dependent.
Meds:  Zofran, Pulmicort, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Colloidal Silver (used topically), IV Milk Thistle, probiotics.

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