Looking for info on Grapefruit Seed Extract killing cyst form of LD

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KO-LD
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   Posted 6/15/2009 12:31 PM (GMT -7)   
I know that I read that Grapefruit seed extract kills the cyst form of LD, but I can't find it now.  Anyone have a link to the article, or know where I might have seen it?  Thanks, KO


2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009

Post Edited (KO-LD) : 6/17/2009 11:41:21 AM (GMT-6)


Franziska
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   Posted 6/17/2009 4:39 AM (GMT -7)   
"Grapefruit Seed Extract is a Powerful in vitro Agent Against Motile and Cystic Forms of Borrelia burgdorferi sensu lato"

Brorson and S.-H. Brorson

in Infection 2007

www.springerlink.com/content/f203647324701025/fulltext.pdf?page=1

The Grape Seed Extract (Citrosept,which is made with Citricidal ,the Originalsproduct from Dr.Harich) kills the normal form from Borrelia too.
Lyme since Juli 2008

On Dr Zhang´s Protocol since 7 Mai 2009

Garlic powder 2-0-2
Houttunya Cordata 50 mg 2-0-0
Circulation P 0-0-1

I am feeling better!

Post Edited (Franziska) : 6/17/2009 5:42:37 AM (GMT-6)


Franziska
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   Posted 6/17/2009 5:11 AM (GMT -7)   
KO,I have just readed,that you were on Zhang´s Protocol too.

Why did you stop the treatment after 6 months?

Did your symptoms completely disappear after 6 months with this protocol?

And did they return after you stopped the protocol?

Or did they return when you were still on this protocol ?In don´t understand what you mean.

Do you want to answer my questions here?

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=1102916

Thanks in advance.
Lyme since Juli 2008

On Dr Zhang´s Protocol since 7 Mai 2009

Garlic powder 2-0-2
Houttunya Cordata 50 mg 2-0-0
Circulation P 0-0-1

I am feeling better!


KO-LD
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   Posted 6/17/2009 10:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Franziska,  My symptoms started to come back the last 2 months on Zhang's.  I didn't feel like i was making any progress.  I stopped to have my CD-57 checked and then decided to try Buhner's protocol. 
P.S.  I herxed on my 5th day of Buhner's.
KO
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009


Franziska
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Date Joined Jun 2009
Total Posts : 21
   Posted 6/17/2009 11:14 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank you KO for your answer!

And in den the first 4 months...did you feel better?

I have readed,that 20 percents of the patients didn´t feel better with Zhang´s herbs.I hope,I belong to the 60 percents,who completly heal with this treatment.Sure is that I feel now better than with ABs (I took previously during 5 months Minocycline and Hydroxycholoroquin,without effect).

What ist the Buhner´s Protocol?Which herbs do you take now?

I know Lyme patients ,who made good experiences with the Grapefruit Seed Extract from Dr.Harich.One Patient healed completely after 2 years with this treatment.It would be for me an alternative if the Zhang´s herbs have no effects.I find good that it kills the cystic forms too.I am not sure that the herbs from Dr Zhang can make that too.I maybe will take the Grape Seed Extract with the Zhang´s herbs,to kills the cysts too.

By,

Franzi
Lyme since Juli 2008

On Dr Zhang´s Protocol since 7 Mai 2009

Garlic powder 2-0-2
Houttunya Cordata 50 mg 2-0-0
Circulation P 0-0-1

I am feeling better!

Post Edited (Franziska) : 6/17/2009 12:17:10 PM (GMT-6)


KO-LD
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   Posted 6/18/2009 9:32 AM (GMT -7)   
Franzi,
I had very slow progress with Zhang's, my symptoms slowly improved until about 4 months when I started to feel some of my symptoms coming back.  When I stopped after 6 months to check my CD-57 most of my symptoms returned. 
 
Buhner's core protocol consist of Cat's Claw (plain, not TOA free, so it's cheaper), Reseratrol, and Andrographis.  I just started my 4th week today and am tolerating it well.  You can read more in his book Healing Lyme, I got my copy from Amazon.com.
 
I'll probably add the grapefruit extract after I taper back down the doses (after 2 months), I have enough pills to swallow right now, and I want to see how the core protocol works by itself.  I did have a pretty good herx on my 5th day.  My herxs were mild while on Zhang's.
Hope this helps, KO
 
P.S. Buhner's core protocol will still be about 1/2 the price of Zhang's and once I taper down the dose it will be even less expensive.  I have a coupon good for $5 off your first order from iherb if you decide to order supplements.  Let me know and I'll give it to you.
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009

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