Bulls Eye Rash Years after Lyme Symptoms

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Date Joined Jun 2009
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   Posted 6/20/2009 12:48 AM (GMT -7)   
I have been feeling ill on and off for 4 years with Lyme like symptoms (never tested positivie - still no diagnosis) I presented with a difinitive bulls eye rash on my stomache 2 years ago - can the rash come years later - i did not get the EM rash initially - when i started feeling sick -

_ also I read somewhere that Lyme can cause exaggerated hangover symptoms - true???? I find i can have 2 glasses of wine and be violently ill the next day

james from missouri
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Date Joined May 2009
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   Posted 6/20/2009 3:14 PM (GMT -7)   
who knows, they say anywhere from 3 to 30 days i think, thats a good question..

i had the extreme hangover feeling for 2 days, but didn't see a bulleyes for about 2 weeks after, and found a tick crawling on me 5 days before that.

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Date Joined Feb 2003
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   Posted 6/20/2009 6:52 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi kmp, welcome to the board!

A bulls-eye rash can occur at any time and anywhere on the body (not just in the location of the bite).  Although only about 50% of people who have Lyme ever get a rash, a bulls-eye rash is a definite sign of Lyme disease.  If your rash comes back, be sure to get photos of it.  It is important documentation.  Place something near it, like a coin or ruler, to give it size definition. 

Below is a Lyme symptom list.  You can have any combination of symptoms. 

Unexplained fevers, sweats, chills, or flushing
Unexplained weight change--loss or gain
Fatigue, tiredness, poor stamina
Unexplained hair loss
Swollen glands
Sore throat
Testicular pain/pelvic pain
Unexplained menstrual irregularity
Unexplained milk production: breast pain
Irritable bladder or bladder dysfunction
Sexual dysfunction or loss of libido
Upset stomach
Change in bowel function-constipation, diarrhea
Chest pain or rib soreness
Shortness of breath, cough
Heart palpitations, pulse skips, heart block
Any history of a heart murmur or valve prolapse?
Joint pain or swelling
Stiffness of the joints, neck, or back
Muscle pain or cramps
Twitching of the face or other muscles
Neck creeks and cracks, neck stiffness, neck pain
Tingling, numbness, burning or stabbing sensations, shooting pains
Facial paralysis (Bell's Palsy)
Eyes/Vision: double, blurry, increased floaters, light sensitivity
Ears/Hearing: buzzing, ringing, ear pain, sound sensitivity
lncreased motion sickness, vertigo, poor balance
Lightheadedness, wooziness
Confusion, difficulty in thinking
Difficulty with concentration, reading
Forgetfulness, poor short term memory
Disorientation: getting lost, going to wrong places
Difficulty with speech or writing
Mood swings, irritability, depression
Disturbed sleep-too much, too little, early awakening
Exaggerated symptoms or worse hangover from alcohol

As you can see, the last symptom is exaggerated symptoms from alcohol.  Which test did you have done?  It is my understandind the ELISA or titer is the least reliable test and the one most doctors run first.

When Lyme is a possibility, it is very important to see a knowledgeable doctor.  Many doctors do not understand Lyme and treat with outdated protocols.  No test is completely reliable, and results can vary by lab.  Besides Lyme, ticks can also transmit several co-infections including Babesiosis, two types of Ehrlichiosis (HME & HGE), Bartonella, and Mycoplasma.  Many people who have Lyme are co-infected.  It may affect treatment choice and progress.  It is important to be tested for these by a Lyme reputable lab such as IgeneX in Palo Alto, CA. 

If you need a doctor recommendation, you can email me at ko_@bellsouth.net 

It is also important to learn as much as possible.  I recommend reading Dr. Joseph Burrascano's 2008 Diagnostic Hints and Treatment Guidelines For Lyme and Other Tick Borne Illnesses at http://www.ilads.org/lyme_disease/B_guidelines_12_17_08.pdf  He is one of the top Lyme doctors in the country, and many Lyme doctors follow his protocols.  I also recommend the books "Everything You Need To Know about Lyme Disease Second Edition" by Karen Vanderhoof-Forschner and "The Lyme Disease Solution" by Kenneth B. Singleton M.D.

I hope you can get answers soon.

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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 887
   Posted 6/23/2009 8:38 AM (GMT -7)   
kmp, you could of had a rash on your scalp or somewhere else that you didn't notice and like Ticker said they can appear anytime.
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009

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