A response telling about the downfall of the IDSA.

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veromia333
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   Posted 6/20/2009 10:52 AM (GMT -7)   
Posted - 6/18/2009 11:52:00 AM
IDSA TIMELINE OF CORRUPTIONWhat the IDSA published a few years ago is a total 180 turn around from their 2006 view that 10 to 14 days will cure lyme disease. The end is near. See BelowIn 1992 and 1993, IDSA author Dr. Mark Klempner published two studies in the Journal of Infectious Diseases documenting how Lyme "spirochetes can survive antibiotic treatment through intracellular sequestion within fibroblasts" making them "among the small number of bacteria that can cause chronic infection by localizing within host cells where they remain sequestered from some antimicrobial agents" (1993; 167:1074-1081). Or as he stated in the same journal"The Lyme disease spirochete . . . can be recovered long after initial infection, even from antibiotic-treated patients, indicating that it resists eradication by host defense mechanisms and antibiotics . . . several eukaryotic cell types provide the Lyme disease spirochete with a protective environment contributing to its long-term survival" (1992; 166(2):440-4). Likewise, Dr. Raymond Dattwyler proclaimed in Reviews of Infectious Diseases 1989, 11(6)S6; S1494-8, "Lyme borreliosis is a chronic infectious disease caused by the spirochete Borrelia burgdorferi . They [Lyme spirochetes] have been demonstrated in tissues obtained from individuals with high levels of antiborrelial antibodies, a finding that indicates the presence of immunity alone does not guarantee eradication of this organism." In a New England Journal of Medicine study, Drs. Dattwyler and John Halperin (also of the IDSA) "studied 17 patients who had presented with acute Lyme disease and received prompt treatment with oral antibiotics, but in whom chronic Lyme disease subsequently developed." These "chronic Lyme" patients tested negative on currently-available blood tests: "Although these patients had clinically active disease, none had diagnostic levels of antibodies to B. burgdorferi on either a standard enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay or immunoflourescence assay. We conclude that the presence of chronic Lyme disease cannot be excluded by the absence of antibodies against B. burgdorferi and that a specific T-cell blastogenic response to B. burgdorferi is evidence of infection in seronegative patients with clinical indications of chronic Lyme disease." Dattwyler RJ; Volkman DJ; Luft BJ; Halperin JJ; Thomas J; Golightly MG. Seronegative Lyme disease. Dissociation of specific T- and B-lymphocyte responses to Borrelia burgdorferi. New England Journal of Medicine 1988, 319(22):1441-6 A year earlier these same two researchers reported on "the clinical courses of 5 patients with Lyme disease who developed significant late complications, despite receiving tetracycline early in the course of their illness. All 5 patients had been treated for erythema chronicum migrans with a course of tetracycline that met or exceeded current recommendations" (Failure of tetracycline therapy in early Lyme disease. Arthritis & Rheumatism 1987, 30:448-450.) In 1993, Dr. Halperin co-authored an article entitled “Recurrent erythema migrans despite extended antibiotic treatment with minocycline in a patient with persisting Borrelia burgdorferi infection” in the Journal of the American Academy of Dermatology, 28(2 Pt 2):312-4. The title says it all: Even “persisting Borrelia burgdorferi infections” can occur, with manifestations as odd as a recurrent bull’s-eye rash (erythema migrans). Or as Dr. Halperin wrote in Neurology in 1992 ((42):43-50), "In many instances continued infection appears to be essential for symptoms to persist, no matter how small the number of organisms, as antimicrobial therapy is generally followed by clinical improvement." Or as Gerold Stanek (also of IDSA) put it in the British Journal of Dermatology in 2001, "The relapses she repeatedly suffered despite initially successful antibiotic treatment could be related to the observation that Borrelia [the Lyme disease bacteria] may possibly be able to remain dormant in certain tissue compartments, thus escaping bactericidal antibiotic activity" (144(2):387-392). Or as Allan Steere, guru of IDSA on Lyme, told the American Journal of Medicine in 1995 (88:4A-44S-51S), "Similarly [as in tertiary syphilis or tuberculoid leprosy], the antigenic stimulus in Lyme arthritis would appear to be a small number of live spirochetes, demonstrated here by monoclonal antibodies, which may persist in the synovial lesion for years (p.494)". Or as Dr. Steere, wrote in the New England Journal of Medicine (1990 Nov 22; 323(21):1438-44), "The likely reason for relapse is failure to eradicate the spirochete . . . This last article is one of many studies that show continuing symptoms are most likely due to persistence of the spirochete [type of Lyme bacteria]." Indeed, many articles have been published before AND since 1990 demonstrating the possible persistence of Lyme infection in antibiotic-treated patients. These studies have been written by members of the IDSA Lyme "team" and many other reputable scientists. And they are among the 98% of available literature on Lyme not cited in the IDSA’s newest treatment guidelines! We posted a $20,000 reward for over five years to any MD that could prove that lyme was cured with six weeks of treatment. We pulled it because of lack of interest. Randy Sykes. Simsbury CT
Randy Sykes
Simsbury CT
The line is faded not showing where Lyme came in. I became a new Mommy n my Lyme decided to show itself. Swollen elephant like knee and finger and limiting back pain. Bell's palsey, weight loss as if I had no muscle on my bones anymore. And much more text book lyme symptoms. To a Lyme doc, after alot of there is nothing wrong with you and a recommend to counceling,he said V this is Lyme. What kept me pressing on I had Lyme while I was pregnant. I know I was not infected while pregnant. I am watching her with an eagle eye. God Bless everyone. Love Veronica. Were the ones who know about Lyme not the doctors. Isnt that just mad? Backwards. Alice in wonderland.


KO-LD
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   Posted 6/20/2009 11:03 AM (GMT -7)   
I want to know how the same people (IDSA) can say that there isn't any credible scientific evidence that says that Bb can persist after abx treatment.  I wonder if anyone has thrown this back in their face and what their reaction was.  Anyone every hear?
KO
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009


veromia333
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   Posted 6/20/2009 11:30 AM (GMT -7)   
They just say they have been cured after 28 days and that it is an autoimmune disease after that!!!!!!!!
SO WHAT IS CAUSING THE AUTOIMMUNE SYMPTOMS!!!!!!!!! It is a controversy they have no evidence and they say we dont have the evidence . but we do and i have never read an argument from them that came close to making sense. or was even anything beyond some clinical double blind placebo tests. No findings under the microscope you know.
The line is faded not showing where Lyme came in. I became a new Mommy n my Lyme decided to show itself. Swollen elephant like knee and finger and limiting back pain. Bell's palsey, weight loss as if I had no muscle on my bones anymore. And much more text book lyme symptoms. To a Lyme doc, after alot of there is nothing wrong with you and a recommend to counceling,he said V this is Lyme. What kept me pressing on I had Lyme while I was pregnant. I know I was not infected while pregnant. I am watching her with an eagle eye. God Bless everyone. Love Veronica. Were the ones who know about Lyme not the doctors. Isnt that just mad? Backwards. Alice in wonderland.

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