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   Posted 7/9/2009 9:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Recently we've had a lot of "what else could it be besides Lyme" threads.  Jane has already brought this up a couple of times so I thought I'd start a post on Chlamydia Pneumonia as a co-infection with Lyme.  At least two of us have this  shocked
I found this article a while ago and thought I'd link it:
It shows how Cpn may be related to CFS and Fibro - and all the things that come with them.  Brain fog, exercise intolerance, sleep disorder, anxiety, depression, etc etc.
Flagyl is effective on the cyst form of cpn and here is what Jane was saying yesterday:

"3. Finally, Cpn can survive those drugs by converting to the low metabolizing "cryptic" form, which Dr. Stratton's research found is only killed by metronidazole family drugs.

Thus two weeks, or even two years of a single antibiotic may improve symptoms by suppressing one form of Chlamydia pneumoniae, but symptoms recur as soon as the antibiotic is withdrawn. Worsening - Killing Chlamydia pneumoniae liberates significant amounts of bacterial endotoxins which cause widespread cytokine reactions, including inflammation, pain, depression, low energy and so on. These are precisely the symptoms of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/Fibromyalgia Syndrome itself. In addition, Stratton's work found that Chlamydia pneumoniae causes a condition of secondary porphyria11 that engenders further misery and suffering. Reports of strong reactions to antibiotics, and particularly to metronidazole, have led the treating clinicians to misinterpret these reactions as allergy or drug reactions, and to prematurely withdraw the agent. The reality is that it is these bacterial toxins are a great part of what causes the symptoms in CFS/FMS, and there is no way to kill Cpn without dumping these toxins into the system and feeling worse. The only question is how to pace it, and what measures can be taken to make it more tolerable."

I'm seeing this - usually during the Flagyl off-week.

Cpn is bad enough by itself.  It can also be a coinfection with Lyme.  I wonder if my weakened immune system let the Cpn get started as an opporunistic infection.  Guess it could be the other way around too.

Edit:  since this may be totally new to some people - there are three major kinds of chlamydia.  The STD kind, bird flu, and walking pneumonia.  Chlamydia pneumonia is the walking pneumonia kind.  In the chonic stage, it moves out of the lungs and goes deep tissue.  Sound like anything else we know?  turn

Lyme, anxitey, depression, chronic C. Pnuemoniae
"... expect the unexpected ..."  (O. Wilde)
"I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened." (Mark Twain)

Post Edited (Agmaar) : 7/9/2009 10:17:59 AM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 7/10/2009 2:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Great tip!! Thank you!
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Now living without appendx & gall bladder

"Conditions": Lyme Disease, STARI, RMSF, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, Lyme Arthritis, Neuro infection from LD, FM, CFS, Chronic/acute EBV, IBS-C, Diverticulosis (& "itis").

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AND... a multi-enzyme probiotic formula.

Gee, a person would think I was ill or something!! =)

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   Posted 7/10/2009 3:18 PM (GMT -7)   
so is testing accurate for clam? because i have tested neg for it a couple times.
The line is faded not showing where Lyme came in. I became a new Mommy n my Lyme decided to show itself. Swollen elephant like knee and finger and limiting back pain. Bell's palsey, weight loss as if I had no muscle on my bones anymore. And much more text book lyme symptoms. To a Lyme doc, after alot of there is nothing wrong with you and a recommend to counceling,he said V this is Lyme. What kept me pressing on I had Lyme while I was pregnant. I know I was not infected while pregnant. I am watching her with an eagle eye. God Bless everyone. Love Veronica. Were the ones who know about Lyme not the doctors. Isnt that just mad? Backwards. Alice in wonderland.

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   Posted 7/11/2009 8:20 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm not sure as to the accuracy of the tests. We did the Cpn test at the same time as the tests for HHV-6, Erilch., babs, mycoplasma. My results were very high for IgG and IgA so test sensitivity might not even have been an issue.

The Cpn does worry me a little tho. It's also linked to clotting and artery disease.
Lyme, anxitey, depression, chronic C. Pnuemoniae
"... expect the unexpected ..."  (O. Wilde)
"I am an old man and have known a great many troubles, but most of them never happened." (Mark Twain)

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