Botox injections for Lymies.

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firefly16's Mom
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   Posted 7/29/2009 6:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Has anyone had Botox injections? I need the good with the bad. The ortho docs want to put several in Firefly 16's right leg to see if they can get it to move again. There are no other options at this time. I need all the input you all can give this is supposed to happen next week. Thanks in advance for the information.
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Lovelabs
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   Posted 7/29/2009 6:48 PM (GMT -7)   
A friend of mine has parkinsons disease (which I am guessing was caused by the Lyme vaccine he got) he is very young,51. Is an avid runner and very active. He has visible symptoms of parkinsons but he gets the Botox shots in his legs. He runs everday and seems to be incredibly optimistic. I imagine the shots have proved to be beneficial or he would have stopped them. Hope this helps and good luck I hope it works out.

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   Posted 7/29/2009 7:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Firefly 16's Mom!
I have only heard a little about this procedure, but wanted to wish you & your daughter many blessings, and the best of luck.
Trav
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firefly16's Mom
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   Posted 7/29/2009 8:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Lovelabs and Traveler,
Thank you for the information and good thoughts. Lord knows the child has had enough in her life already, she does not need any new complications.
Lyme Mom for 10 years, looking forward to a lyme free life for all.


ASLpro
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   Posted 2/7/2012 2:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi,
I recovered from Central Nervous System Lyme ( CNS) Lyme in 2007 but still experience the symptoms any time my immune system is compromised or I'm coming down with a cold. Recently, I got the flu shot and a few days afterwards I started to feel "lymey" as we call it- foggy, anxious, nauseous, sensitive to light and movement. Humidity also triggers these symptoms.

So, I decided that I wanted to try Botox. I'm 35 and well, the lines are starting to set in. I have read numerous things on the internet about Lyme conflicting/not conflicting with Botox injections. Honestly, I feel that everyone probably reacts differently since Lyme isn't a cookie-cutter disease. I had the injections in my forehead a few days ago and haven't felt great and I believe that it has aggravated my lyme symptoms. I'm a little nervous about it and I hope that they subside in the next few days. Has anyone else reported this? I love how the Botox looks but it is not worth it to me if I am going to have to deal with these symptoms of anxiety, fogginess, nausea, eye pain, heaviness behind my eyes, etc.

Would love any feedback!
Thanks.

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   Posted 2/7/2012 5:21 PM (GMT -7)   
I would always err on the side of caution - remember that you are actually injecting Botulism into your skin. With a lowered immune system, I would be very careful even though it's not an live bacteria.

I found some info that explains how it works here:
www.bellspalsy.ws/botox.htm

"It is a genetically engineered protein that weakens or inactivates muscles. After injection Botox enters the nerve ending of a muscle, binds to pre-synaptic receptors and blocks transmittal of nerve impulses at that point. The muscle will not contract because the signal from the nerve has been stopped."

Since Lyme attacks nerves and blocks the signal or interrupts the signal that comes from the brain to that muscle, it doesn't seem like a good thing to do - at least while a person is battling tick-borne infections - but that's just my opinion.
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I break up my post because my eyes have been effected by TBI's as well, making long paragraphs very hard to read.

bucci
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   Posted 2/7/2012 8:59 PM (GMT -7)   
It;s weard. I have heard long time back about botox for depression.

Seems like it almost reframes that worried almost angry facial expression
with the lines in the forehead.

kind of makes sense in a way.

One of the best ways I can see my forhead lines get less intense and fade more is liver cleanse. they say those are liver gall bladder lines between eyebrows.

I have hep C and spent many years strictly focusing on cleaning my liver
and it was fasting, juicing, wheat grass enemas and coffee enemas after
a week I would see them fade to almost nothing but that whole thing has gotten
to be a bit of an extreme sport for me after all these years.

We all do know though on all of these forums that liver cleanse is key and parasite cleanse has to be done even before the liver cleanse.
I also didn't know that one for the first 15 yrs of doing all that cleansing.

first the parasite cleanse and then the liver. You can sort of do both togehter but you have got to start with parasite killers.

In the end I took pharmacutical for parasite and they worked like a charm
but I still have my liver lines.
If 3 people told me that botox helped depression, I would do it.

I just never heard it again and the last thing I want is a herx

bonnawanna
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   Posted 6/21/2016 1:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi all,

Just want to see if there was anyone who has an opinion regarding Botox and Lyme. My dentist gave a shot of Botox sometime over the past year for headaches, and I am wondering if that has had an negative effect on my Chronic Lyme. I hope not. Any thought would be greatly appreciated.

rjb

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rowingmom
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   Posted 6/21/2016 5:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Time to fess up.

When K was really sick, for years and years and all I could do was frown so much that my eye brows were sitting on my nose, I decided to give botox a try. This was while I (unknowingly) had significant symptoms of bartonella, which had been diagnosed by several doctors as being perimenopause.

All I had done was between the eyes and I didn't notice any negative reaction. I was just so happy that I didn't have to go around looking grouchy all the time. I think the fact that I couldn't frown actually made me feel happier!

Just because it didn't negatively effect me, doesn't mean it couldn't negatively effect you.

I would think it might be worth a try, especially if used for pain. Pain is stressful and any kind of stress will compromise immune function.
13 yo daughter:
2010 - Dx ADHD, Tourette’s, Aspergers, motor delay, PANS/PANDAS
June 2011 - Igenex PCR positive bartonella, IND lyme. CD57 18. Positive ANA (speckled type), heterozygous A1298C MTHFR. Multiple Abx, herbals/homeopathics
April 2013 - ANA titers negative. Weaned abx. Start Buhner bartonella protocol, methylation/detox protocols, organic PerfectHealthDiet gf/cf/sf. Minimize EMF exposure
Nov 2013 – Clinical babesia diagnosis. Start Buhner babesia protocol
Sept 2014 – Symptoms 99% resolved
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