Need Help Interpreting Test Results for Babesiosis and Ehrlichiosis

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selfhealer
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   Posted 9/24/2009 3:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi all

Essentially, I got my bloodwork back, and I tested negative for lyme, but positive for babesia and ehrlichia. My LLD (Dr. G. in NJ), stated that my results show that I DO have these infections-no question about it. She said there are no false positives for these tests, and thus, a positive result definitively indicates that you have these infections. However, when looking at the numbrs Im a bit confused and would love some input.


For babesia my results show
IgM 0.80. It lists this number in the "negative column, and indicates that a negative result is anything < 0.89.


My IgG for babesia shows
1.16 It lists this in the "positive" column, and shows that for IgG, anything below 0.89 is negative, between 0.90 and 1.10 is equivocal, and anything above 1.11 is positive. Since by IgG was 1.16, this clearly puts me above the "positive" range.


My question is, since my IgM number was 0.80, which they list as being below the negative range, but my IgG number is 1.16 which is above the positive range, what does this mean?

Dr. G didnt discuss the actual numbers with me, she just said I tested positive for both babesia and ehrlichia, but now when I look at the numbers, it seems that there might be some question. So, given my results, do you guys think that my numbers absolutely indicate that I am positive for Babesia microti?


Now with Ehrlichia Chaffeensis, its a similar situation.
For my IGG it simply says:
<1:64. It doesnt show me my specific number, it just says its less then 1:64. It the "iterpretation" section of the results, it says I have low/negative IgG.


But for my IgM my number is:
1:80 It then shows that a negative result is anything below 1:20. So my 1:80 is clearly in the positive range.
So the final interpretation part of the report says "Equivocal-Due to a low/neg IgG and a positive IgM.

Again, Dr. G simply told me that I tested positive for both babesia and ehrlichia, but according to these tests, there seems to be some question. So, what do you guys think? Do my tests indicate that I have these infections, or is it questionable? Thanks so much-SH

selfhealer
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   Posted 9/26/2009 9:08 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi
sorry to bump my own thread, but Ive had this up for a few days and was hoping someone could help me interpret these results. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks-SH

CajunGrl
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   Posted 9/26/2009 6:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Selfhealer,

I'm sorry your post got overlooked.

Those tests are hard to decipher but from my understanding, IGM means current infection and IGG means past infection. This is just my opinion but it looks like you had a past infection of Babesia and may have a current infection of Ehrlichia. I'm assuming your doctor is probably going to treat both. I think if the number is high enough for a past infection, it is still treated.
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Willowrose
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   Posted 10/3/2009 9:26 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm new to all of this, but if that was my test result my question would be, if I tested positive for two "co-infections" that are easier to test for than Lyme, but negative for Lyme (which can happen even if you have Lyme) couldn't that indicate that perhaps the Lyme negative is inaccurate? I am still trying to understand the tests myself. If the Lyme tests are often inaccurate, and a clinical diagnosis must be made, then having a negative test isn't terribly meaningful if you have symptoms of Lyme. And if you have other infections that are often found with Lyme (which can cause the same symptoms as Lyme), how do you sort all of that out?

Rose

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   Posted 10/3/2009 10:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Gosh, Willowrose -- you asked some of my exact same questions here! And I think you are asking very important questions --- these have GOT to be answerable, tho I don't know by who??

Given the fact that Lyme is the fastest growing vector borne disease right now, I would also tend to believe that if you have Babeosis and/or ehrlichia, chances are, you most likely have Lyme.

Selfhealer, I do not have my lab results in front of me, so I don't know my babesia numbers at this moment, but they were highlighted as 'out of range' 'high'. But the test interpretation said 'Indicates a prior infection.'

I spent an entire day, researching my lab results, which included my viruses. From everything I read, I do have these chronic viruses. But my LLMD did not even know what to say about these 'high out of range' numbers.

I suggest that you put some time into looking up your lab results and numbers. It's not always fun or interesting, but I think you need to know.
Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.
What don't these nasty bugs cause? 
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Willowrose
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   Posted 10/4/2009 5:14 PM (GMT -7)   
+ Lyme,

My doctor didn't give me any numbers re. the babesia, but when the initial test came back positive for antibodies he ordered a FISH test which showed babesia RNA in my system. He says that is proof that there is an active infection. Did you have a FISH test?

Rose

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   Posted 10/4/2009 7:00 PM (GMT -7)   
No, Willow,
I don't think I had a FISH test. I believe it was just a titre test, of which the Dr ordered for babesia, bartonella and Rocky Mt SF. Even as he was writing out this lab script, he said the tests he was ordering were not any good and would probably not show anything. However, my babesia showed, numbers high enough to indicate acute infection (which Idon't believe i have; ie: acute infection)

They ALL have DEFNITELY GOT to come up w/ more consistent, standardized, accurate tests. For the life of me, I do not understand why nobody has? This is nuts!

IF someone came up w/ a 97% (or so) reliable test for Lyme and these stupid co-infections, they would stand to make millions!

I mean, take Babs for example: Given that this is a protzoan/parasite, for the life of me, I cannot understand why there aren't effective, reliable tests out there.

I do not believe that the IDDs or mainstream MDs would deny the existence of these infections, IF they were able to run reliable tests!!

And Willow, I have written down the FISH test -- so I can ask to have this done. Thank you for that contribution!
Bit 1972: Acute and chronic tonsillitis, UTI, miscarraige, appendicitis, hypoglycemia,  chronic neck pain w/ crushed vertibrae, chronic severe back pain, mitral valve prolapse, depression, resolution?
Bit Mother's Day 2007: Lyme, Babesia microti, hypothyroidism, EBV, HHV6, Parvovirus B19, low adrenals &misc other hormones, depression, anxiety, more of the above.
What don't these nasty bugs cause? 
CD57= 60, so we're in pretty good shape.
 

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