Article regarding Swine Flu Vaccine ~ What you are NOT supposed to know

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Deejavu
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   Posted 10/5/2009 4:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi all,
 
I decided a long time ago not to get any swine flu vaccine, just my gut instincts.  Found this article and thought it was interesting.
 
I believe I read somewhere that some of the ingredients in the Swine Flu Vaccines (nasal now) are dead viruses, I wonder what was in the LymeRix vaccine that gave people lyme disease?  Dead lyme bacteria?  rolleyes   
 
 
I'm not a doctor but I do NOT recommend getting this vaccine.  Also, the swine flu is NOT a new type of flu but has been around since 1918 according to Wikipedia:
 
Swine influenza was first proposed to be a disease related to human influenza during the 1918 flu pandemic, when pigs became sick at the same time as humans.[16] The first identification of an influenza virus as a cause of disease in pigs occurred about ten years later, in 1930.[17] For the following 60 years, swine influenza strains were almost exclusively H1N1.
 
 
Denise
It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Daily Detoxing   ~  Pay It Forward!!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being in remission for over 3 years:
 
 


Willowrose
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   Posted 10/5/2009 6:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the info. Don't flu vaccines rely on your immune system? I think antibiotics impede the immune system response. Do you know?

Rose

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   Posted 10/6/2009 9:42 AM (GMT -7)   
WOW D!!!!
That was some REALLY interesting stuff!!!! I'm going to be checking out that website much more closely!!

The info that you referred to on that site confirmed a whole lot that I had been reading on the Swine Flu shots!! Sure glad I don't live in Europe though!!! NO testing at all??? WOW!!
It's been said:LD patients can be as ill as people w/ congest. heart failure & in as much pain as post-op patients.
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ria123
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   Posted 10/6/2009 10:31 AM (GMT -7)   
Denise Thanks once again for that helpful information.

nefferdun
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   Posted 10/6/2009 11:22 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't think any lyme patient is going to trust the CDC but I thought they tested the vaccine on 6-700 people.
They said there were not bad reactions but who knows. . . . .

It said on the news last night that autism has increased from one in 150 children to 1 in 91!! That is so scary. If I were a mother I would not give my children any kind of shot suspected of causing it. I don't know why they forced children to get vaccinated for mumps when it is not a serious infection. Neither is rubella or measels. I had all of those illnesses as a child and it was just a short break from school.

Razzle
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   Posted 10/6/2009 2:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Mumps is more serious for boys than girls - mumps can render a male infertile for life. Most medical knowledge, resarch, and treatment methodologies came about through resesarch priarily only on men until the 1990's (mostly due to hormone replacement therapy connections with cancer, and osteoporosis issues in post-menopausal women). But many MD's are still only trained on this male-dominated research that may or may not apply equally to women.

I'm not surprised the autism rate has increased. There are a lot more vaccinations on the list for kids these days, plus Lyme is on the rise, and also gluten intolerance (Celiac disease is estimated to affect 1:120, and that does not include non-Celiac gluten sensitivity or food allergies...food allergies in kids are also on the rise).

Yes, vaccinations depend on a functional immune system. There are 2 kinds of vaccines - weakened live vaccines and dead vaccines. The live vaccines are riskier because a person may actually get the disease from the vaccine (my Mom remembers a time when polio vaccinatons caused some people to actually get polio, for example). I find it interesting that most MD's recommend immune suppressed individuals get vaccines (dead vaccines, not live ones)...I personally think it is dangerous to recommend this because immune suppression could lead to an inadequate response to the vaccine. I also think abnormal immune systems are more likely to experience adverse reactions to the vaccine (e.g., autism).

I much prefer other prevention techniques, such as washing hands lots, staying home when sick, homeopathic Oscillococcinum taken weekly through flu season (and there are homeopathic "vaccines" for the childhood illnesses like mumps, measels, etc., that are not associated with adverse reactions or autism and are much, much safer), herbs/supplements to strengthen the immune system and/or combat viruses (elderberry and vitamin C are both anti-viral; garlic kills everything, etc.), and trying to eat healthily as much as possible (organic food when possible, vegetables & fruits as much as is feasible, avoiding too much sugar, etc.).

Just my $.02...
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently trying to wean off TPN.
Meds:  Pulmicort, IV Ceftazidime, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver (used topically), probiotics, Milk Thistle, homeopathy.


Deejavu
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   Posted 10/6/2009 3:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Razzle,
 
Yes, I also read that this vaccine is being made from live (weakened) or dead viruses.  I agree that prevention is the best way of not getting any type of flu.   Wash those hands!
 
I also read something about diseased African Monkeys being used to make these vaccines but I have a hard time believing that even though this site shows a patent.   I will NOT put in the link, it's too freaky and I'm not sure if I believe it..  There's lots of information out there and who knows what to believe anymore?
 
Common sense tells me that since this vaccine (nasal or shot) has NOT been tested on humans (I could be wrong), I still don't recommend this vaccine for anyone.
 
I appreciate your 2 cents and using garlic as well as the other homeopathic supplements you mentioned.
 
Denise
It's all about the Immune System mixed with a large dose of Positive Thinking and Daily Detoxing   ~  Pay It Forward!!
 
This song is about my years with chronic lyme since 1995 and being in remission for over 3 years:
 
 


Razzle
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   Posted 10/6/2009 6:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Clarification on the H1N1 swine flu vaccine: There are 2 types. The type that we've been told on our local news that will be available first is the nasal type, and that one is a live vaccine. The shot is the other type and it will come available later in October.

The H1N1 swine flu vaccines have been tested on humans, just not very much. No follow-up info on side-effects is known, and it is also not known how safe these vaccines are for those with certain immune deficiencies. Personally, I agree with Dr. J (the other swine flu thread) and don't think it is a good idea to get the vaccine (either one - nasal or shot) if one has chronic infections of any kind.
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently trying to wean off TPN.
Meds:  Pulmicort, IV Ceftazidime, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver (used topically), probiotics, Milk Thistle, homeopathy.


Razzle
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   Posted 10/6/2009 6:44 PM (GMT -7)   
I just got this in an e-newsletter my inbox:

To Improve Access to H1N1/Swine-Flu Vaccine, Washington State Suspends
Limits on Mercury.

http://www.healthfreedom.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=907&Itemid=1

"Health officials in Washington State cancel the limits on how much mercury is allowed in swine-flu vaccines given to pregnant women and to children up to the age of 3. Do you want to be given a substance known to be toxic to humans?"
-Razzle
Chronic Lyme Disease, Chronic Bartonella (clinical dx only), Gluten & Sulfite Sensitivity, Many Food/Inhalant/Medication/Chemical Allergies & Intolerances, Asthma, Gut issues (dysmotility, non-specific inflammation), UCTD ("Secondary Lupus-Like Syndrome"), Osteoporosis, chronic Lymphopenia, etc.; G-Tube; Currently trying to wean off TPN.
Meds:  Pulmicort, IV Ceftazidime, Heparin (to flush PICC line), Claritin, Domperidone, Colloidal Silver (used topically), probiotics, Milk Thistle, homeopathy.


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   Posted 10/6/2009 7:07 PM (GMT -7)   
This is both on and off topic: I heard the same thing as Neffer about autism this morning. According to one parent who has 2 kids w/ autism, part of the increase is due to a much wider range of diagnoses, ie; He said that an autism diagnosis now includes kids who are suffering more of an ADD illness.

I also agree w/ the vaccination information. I believe they are packing in way to much stuff into those shots.

But mostly, I believe MUCH of the increase in autism/ADD can be blamed on the way we now live. Between school, all the MANY sports & activities parents want their kids to do, the constant BARRAGE of information (phones, IPODS, texting, facebooking, twittering, etc etc etc), and finally: the conditions in our schools.

Maybe most of you do not know how it used to be. We were expected to work every minute we were in class. However, we got two 15 min recesses, which were not organized and were quietly supervised by a teacher (who was only out there to bust up fights, etc) Of course, there were limits, but we did not have to constantly BEHAVE.

We got at least an hour for lunch -- mine was more like 1 1/2 hrs. Kids who lived close, like me, had plenty of time to walk home, eat lunch, and return to the playgrounds and ball fields for more socializing and play. We ran, played a lot of tetherball and tag, climbed, flipped, jumproped, etc.

The teacher did not sit w/ us at lunch, in the cafeteria. We were permitted to talk and yell freely, but the teachers took turns setting limits on any wild or destructive behavior.

4th thru 6th, and this was the Iowa school system which was ranked very highly (at least back then), after lunch, we got yet another break. The teacher read to us, and those who were tired, laid their heads down on their desks w/o fear of punishment.

When it was time to get crackin, then we wasted no time.

Our kids don't have this benefit anymore. It is like every single second must be packed to the max. What do they get these days for lunch? Like 20 minutes? When my own kids were in school, if they ate in the cafeteria, they were in line til almost time to go back to class.

There is no freedom in school anymore. Or time to be a kid. Kids don't have time to look at the clouds, build snowmen and igloos, or jumprope or hopscotch after school.

It is my opinion that kids these days are seriously over-stimulated, and that is much of the real root. I seriously believe that there's a lot of stuff we need to consider changing.

Awhile back, I did hear a news story that there was a school where they experimented giving the kids 5 min recesses every hour, and that the ADD kids improved a lot.

If there are ADD parents, or sufferers (not caused by Lyme), I am very interested in your feedback. I feel like we are all wound way too tight!

Back to Deejavu's post: I'm not touching that vaccine w/ a 10 ft pole. I will have to rely on my crappy immune system, echinawhatever, and C.

And yep -- I remember when polio vaccs were not vaccs, but medicine on a sugarcube that we took orally. And even after they put it in shots, it was still a live vaccine when my kids were growing up ('75-'80 appx)


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Post Edited (+Lyme) : 10/6/2009 8:11:09 PM (GMT-6)


KO-LD
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   Posted 10/7/2009 7:57 AM (GMT -7)   
bump for pcpc
2001 symptoms started:
Tingling in fingers and toes both sides, not tested at that time for LD
2007 Summer tested pos. WB, diagnosed with LD, tested neg for co-infections thru Igenex
Abx - Doxy 100mg 2x/day for 3 weeks (before diagnosis)
Amoxicillin 1gm 2x/day for 1 month
Amoxicillin 1gm 3x/day with Probenecid 500mg 2x/day  5 months 
Currently on Dr. Zhang's protocol stopped Zhang's after 6 months symptoms returned.  Started Buhner's protocol May 2009


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   Posted 10/11/2009 5:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Bumpity - bump!!! =)
It's been said:LD patients can be as ill as people w/ congest. heart failure & in as much pain as post-op patients.


alone&scared
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   Posted 10/12/2009 6:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the bumpity- bump traveler!lol.
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