Condensed Cowden Protocol

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GWB
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   Posted 12/20/2009 8:24 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm thinking of starting the Condensed Cowden Protocol in January. Can't tolerate abx anymore and need to find a good herbal protocol.

Anyone here who's done (or doing) this protocol? How have you done with it? Please share your experiences with it, good or bad.

If you have any other herbal protocol suggestions feel free to share them with me.

Thanks!

Gary

mutopian
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   Posted 1/11/2010 1:25 PM (GMT -7)   
:-) Hi Gary,
 
I'm also starting the Cowden condensed protocol, possibly this week if all goes well with the delivery which is due. 
 
I've already been on samento for a few years now, with a 4 month break after I went on antiobiotics, due to their unfortunate effects on me last winter.  I used to be only on the maintenance dose of samento (i.e. 5 drops 3x day) but have now been on 15 drops 2x day without any problems for the past 8 months or so.  I think samento helped my circulation and cardiac problems (I have no pains now) together with fish oils etc.
 
I'm hoping to build up slowly on the protocol, as I have chemical sensitivities, and have very little energy, having been bedbound for almost 4 years, with the first 3 being able to get up once a day to get to the bathroom.  Even though I'm unable to stand or sit up at the moment, I am able to read some, and use a netbook, which was totally impossible for me until very recently.  I do take a lot of supplements, one of which is l-methionine, together with b6 and b12 lozenges to help the detox mechanism. I also have parsley and organic unpasteurised cider vinegar on my salads twice a day, which helps make your blood more alkaline, and keeps your gut clean, which I'm sure lyme doesn't like.  I think all this helps. 
 
I also have chlamydia pneumoniae infection, which has a similar effect in creating the mitochondrial and detox dyfunctions I have.  This is an airborne bacteria which infects through the lungs, and another stealth organism. (www.cpnhelp.org) I believe I've had this one for years, possibly my whole life (I'm 44 now.) My private doc found borrelia like spirochettes in my blood in 2008, having already tested for them the previous year and missed them.  I can also see these little buggers in my eyes when looking at a light source, or if the light catches my eye from the side I can see many.  I was bitten by several tics in 2004, which were not removed for at least 48 hours due to a camping trip, and only noticed them still in my body afte returning home and getting a better look at my body.  Although I removed them, I hadn't heard of lyme disease so didn't do anything about it.  I had no rash or other symptoms, either, (possibly I wouldn't have noticed as they were the same as the then moderate m.e. I already had, which were mainly neurological and energy problems,) but my condition gradually worstened over the intervening 20 months until I finally collapsed for the last time in february 2006 and got an official M.E. diagnosis from my g.p. 
 
I'm not sure how this protocol will effect me because of cpn and possibly other coinfections, whether it will tax me more or less because of them, but my theory is that, if I can kill the lyme, then I will be in with a chance of regaining enough energy to regain some measure of independence back.  I've never had a normal life anyway, or normal energy levels, so I'm not expecting miracles, but I'm hoping for a 50% overall energy result, enough to come out of the social care system and back to the existence I once had.  I've been disappointed before, when I was certain the weldon combined antibiotic protocol (for cpn, but kills lyme, too) made me so ill that I had to spend 10 weeks in hospital.  So I'm trying not to just assume this will work this time, but am treading very carefully.  I'm just going to be aware of and trust my body as much as I can.
 
I'm aiming to keep posting what my experiences are, so long as I'm able, so hopefully this will help someone such as yourself if you're going on it.
 
Bye for now.  Best wishes and good luck.
 
Mutopian. :-)
 

ozoneGirl
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   Posted 7/2/2010 3:34 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Gary & Mutopian,

Firstly, there's more than one thread on the Condensed Cowden Protocol, so it's worth checking for the "Cowden Condensed Protocol" thread too, since it has some useful info'.  In particular, see my post re' combined Samento & Banderol.

 

Mutopian,

I too had C Pneu (now known as 'Chlamydophila pneumoniae') as well as Borrelia.  Mine was successfully treated with abx though, & this was after 12 months of nutritional therapy to build my strength and adrenals back up.  I'm sorry to hear that your treatment for that didn't work out.

As you're on Samento, (actually the same dose as me too), I'm sure that you must be aware of increasing the NutraMedix herbs very gradually.  With Samento I ended up having to start on 1/2 drop every two days & build up very, very gradually to the 15 drops twice per day that I'm on now.  I'm mentioning this as with the Cowden Condensed Protocol you may find that you have to go more slowly than the Protocol suggests.  So listen to your body & if you find you're having a big reaction or Herx', do as they say: take Burbur or Parsley to aid detox, & stop or reduce dosage for a while if necessary.  Also drink lots of water,  & note to adjust the dosage down if you're less than 120-170 pounds/55-77 kilos.

I expect that you've already got the details of the Condensed Protocol, but if not it can be found at:

http://www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pdfs/Condcowdenschd.pdf

I hope that the Condensed Protocol goes very well for you, & I look forward to hearing of your success!

turn

ozoneGirl

 


GWB
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   Posted 7/2/2010 5:33 PM (GMT -7)   
ozoneGirl,

Thanks for the information on the Cowden protocol. This is an old post you responded to. :-) I have already gotten better since then but have done so on the Jernigan Protocol. I think this protocol is far more advanced and effective than most herbal remedies out there for lyme disease. Check out any and all threads related to "Hansa Center" or "Jernigan protocol" and you'll find many positive reports about this protocol.

If you haven't already done so, I'd encourage you to look over the website www.HansaCenter.com to learn more about this protocol. Also, on the same website is a book titled, "Beating Lyme Disease" by Dr. David Jernigan. This is a must read by everyone who is suffering with Lyme disease.

Dr. David is probably one of the most knowledgable doctors in the world regarding this disease. He's invented over 30 natural medicines and had lyme disease himself at one time. He, like me, thought he would not live much longer with this disease, but after years of studying this disease and learning a lot about it, for 30 years now he's been treating people with Lyme, and other chronic diseases, helping to make them well again.

I was nearly dying when I finally found out about the Hansa Center. I decided to take the risk and go get treated there. I'm so glad I did as I don't believe I'd be alive today had I not gone there for treatment. Again, search for threads with the words "Hansa Center" or "Jernigan Protocol" and read of the many success stories for those who tried this protocol and got better. Dr. Jernigan doesn't use abx, he treats with all natural medicines and natural treatments and therapies. Check out his website for more information.

By the way, welcome to Healing Well, we're glad you're here!

Gary

Hatch
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   Posted 1/25/2016 2:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello ozoneGirl,

I have read on your posts that you were (I hope you are alright now!) treated by a LLMD in the UK. I have been looking for one for a very long time with no success and ended up treating myself with no success either. I was wondering if you could recommend me any doctors that could help me in the UK....I really hope you read this post someday, I still have hope...

NotQuiteAntonio
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   Posted 1/25/2016 5:01 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey, Hatch! Welcome!

Being that she hasn't been active for quite some time, I suggest maybe making your own thread about this. I know we've a few UK people around here.

You might see a bit more success taking that route.

I really hope YOU read THIS post someday, and stick around the forum to read many more, while making some of your own as well, and getting better of course!

Check out the New to Lyme section. There's a lot of information, which may come as a bit much at first, but I've no doubt you'd find something of worth!

The detoxing is a good place to start, while you look for treatment. Healthy, clean diet as well.
ever the loser..

sarahm620
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   Posted 1/25/2016 9:12 AM (GMT -7)   
Hatch, welcome! This thread is 6 years old, so I recommend starting a new thread to find a LLMD in the UK.
Sarah
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Girlie
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   Posted 1/25/2016 6:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Hatch, welcome to the forum!

As others have stated, this is a really old post and ozonegirl has not been on the forum for several years.

If you are looking for a LLMD in the UK, I may be able to help you.

I have some names...so send me an email.
Click on the envelope under my name on the left hand side of the post.
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