Has anyone tried olive leaf extract for late stage neurolyme and babesia???let me know

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Mom to 3 kids
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   Posted 3/13/2010 1:55 PM (GMT -7)   
need to talk if you have

Dowa
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   Posted 3/13/2010 5:14 PM (GMT -7)   
After reading about Olive Leaf Extract I decided to try it. You WILL herx on it, I was told probably not, but I definitely did herx and did not know what was happening until I thought about it. Are you taking it now? It is helpful for viruses and fungus as well as bacteria. Good luck  D

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   Posted 3/13/2010 6:06 PM (GMT -7)   
Dowa...did you take antibioitcs first and then the olive leaf...im so ill...i read that it lowers blood pressure..and my blood pressure is already really low...90/55..should i try using it or would it be to dangerous...i just feel the antiboitcs keep making me sicker...i though about the Buhner protocl...im so so so ill..with late stage neurolyme and babesia...i gotta find something to help me i feel like im dying...

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   Posted 3/13/2010 7:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Mom to 3... I felt a lot better after getting HBOT treatments along with my antibiotics. Have you been on Azithromycin yet? My doctor just added this antibiotic to Ceftriaxone and after a fairly severe herx, I began to feel a little better.

My husband's friend's wife has gotten much, much better using a rife machine and colloidal silver. My husband showed me a cool video of spirochetes twirling around in circles, becoming straight instead of coiled, and apparently dying when exposed to the frequency that's supposed to kill them. My husband is in the process of building me a Doug coil rife machine. I hope it works!

I am also working on my "bio-terrain" with a no-sugar healthy diet couple with the Salt/Vitamin C protocol. I am just beginning this protocol. I want those spirochetes to hate their bio-terrain. Lots of water, too.

I am also taking Lumbrokinase (from earthworms) for the biofilm.

I try to take those hot baths that this forum talks about in New to Lyme start here. I get in the tub with a thermometer and try to keep my temperature elevated a little for a long time. I believe everything that I can do that will weaken the spirochete will help my immune system zap them.

I was utter misery a few months ago, but I am doing better now. I still have a long way to go, however. I plan to do another series of HBOT treatments in the future. For me, HBOT was way worth the cost. ($135.00 per session) here in Central FL.

Post Edited (skyblue1) : 3/13/2010 7:31:36 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 3/13/2010 8:04 PM (GMT -7)   
I was taking OLE prior to going to the Hansa Center but I was still not improving. It didn't help me at all. It can be helpful to some people but OLE alone isn't going to cut it with late stage neurolyme and babesia. Dr. Jernigan tested my body with BRS and found out I was allergic to OLE and it was actually doing me more harm than good. Often times something that we think is good (and often times is) isn't what our body needs or wants. That's why it's important to be tested to find out what your body needs/wants.

If you are going to go on a herbal protocol, it's best to not try to just pick and chose one herb based on what someone else says works for them. As you probably know, there are three basic herbal protocols available for lyme patients. One is the Buhner protocol. He's written a book titled "Healing Lyme" www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=1744840&r=r

The other herbal protocol is the Zhang protcol www.sinomedresearch.org/. He's written a book titled "Lyme Disease and Modern Chinese Medicine" www.amazon.com/Lyme-Disease-Modern-Chinese-Medicine/dp/0967721318

Then there's the Condensed Cowden protocol www.bionatus.com/nutramedix/pages/lymepage.html

Each of these protocols are different, but there are similarities in that many of the same herbs are used. When I was researching back in November and December of 2009 these three herbal protocols, I had pretty much narrowed it down to the Condensed Cowden protocol because it was the most simple and most organized protocol to follow (in my opinion). Plus they offer phone support if you have questions.

In my research, I did not find a lot of people who claimed to get totally well on any of these herbal protocols. I noticed that many people were having the same complaints (side effects, awful herxes, etc) with herbs as they were having with abx. Yes, there were some good testimonies from some of the people on these various protocols, but nothing that really stood out to me. The Cowden protocol seemed to have the most positive reports of all of the herbal protocols.

Thankfully, Deejuvu, from Healing Well forum, told me about the Hansa Center and the Jernigan protocol. This was right before I getting ready to sign up for the Cowden protocol. Well, you already know the rest of the story about how I greatly improved from near death to where I am now. The amazing thing about the Jernigan protocol is I didn't suffer with herxes like I did with abx and I also didn't experience the horrible side effects I had with abx.

The point I'm trying to make is not to discourage you from taking herbs, or to try to persuade you to go on the Jernigan protocol, that's something you have to decide for yourself. However, one thing that I strongly advise against, and that's to try "this" herb or "that" herb and if that doesn't work try another herb. Many people have tried this and almost none of them have succeeded.

Trying to follow someone else's protocol, or trying a combination of a few herbs that someone on a forum said worked for them, might not necessarily work so good for you. In fact, it could make things worse for you if you take the wrong herbs (or herbal combination), because some herbs, just like abx, interact with each other and can cause you to have a bad reaction to them.

The timing of taking herbs and supplements and toxin removal is important too, and that's why I would encourage you to get on a specific herbal protocol that gives you clear instructions and guidelines on how much herbs to take, when to take them, when to take supplements, and when to take detoxifiers, etc. It's complicated (and potentially dangerous) and it's not something for amateurs like us to try to do on our own.

Had I continued to take OLE, which is known to be a great natural abx for most people, I would have done my body harm because I didn't have a clue I was allergic to it until Dr. Jernigan tested me for it. That's why BRS testing, or at the very least, muscle testing is important before you decide to take anything, including herbs. Many times we think herbs are just harmless plants, but that's not always the case.

Case in point, Razzle who's a member of this forum posted this recently:

I started Buhner's protocol in Spring of 2008 by taking first Andrographis, then adding in the Cat's Claw a few weeks later, and then a few weeks after that (mid-June), I added the Japanese Knotweed. One week later (end of June), I lost my ability to swallow and it has been a very slow road to recover the ability to eat/drink again. I still cannot swallow liquids, and am maintained on IV nutrition and IV hydration (though we are weaning down the IV nutrition slowly). The LLND's & LLMD's locally all agree the Japanese Knotweed had something to do with my loss of swallowing (I also have had problems with motility throughout the rest of my digestive system for a long time - believed to be related to Lyme Disease - but the swallowing issue was a new issue as of 2008), but whether the swallowing issue was due to a herx, a Lyme flare, or something else they cannot say for sure. All I know is, I won't be taking Japanese Knotweed anytime soon, and if I ever do again, it will be much smaller dose.

I guess the point of all of this is to strongly suggest that you have guidance with these herbal protocols, and that you proceed with caution. I know Zhang offers phone support, Buhner has online support, and there may be other support options for the other herbal protocols as well that I am not familiar with.


Take care,
-Razzle
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Anyway, I felt this was important to share with you because I know how desperately you want to get better, but you really do need to do it with the help and guidance of a professional, whether it be a LLMD, LLND or a someone who knows how to administer herbs. Treating yourself solo is not good and you could very well make things much worse for you than they already are. Please consider getting on a program with professional support and guidance regardless which protocol you chose.

I admit, I'm biased towards the Jernigan protocol, but how could I not be? In December I was planning my funeral, today I'm planning my future and living life with joy, happiness, energy, and most of all, I have hope that I didn't have before. Again, whether you chose one of the herbal protocols, or the Jernigan protocol, whatever you do, don't do it by yourself. Get treated by a professional who knows what they're doing. That's your only real hope of getting better.

I'm praying for you!

Gary

Post Edited (GWB) : 3/13/2010 8:23:55 PM (GMT-7)


scorpio1960
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   Posted 4/13/2010 10:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Can Olive Leaf Extract be taken with antibiotics? My internist, not my llmd, suggested I take it but I've read that it can cause antibiotics to be ineffective....just not sure if this is true.

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   Posted 4/15/2010 9:50 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm on olive leaf extract- and my blood pressure tends to run a little low but for this i use an adrenal supplement with licorice root (licorice raises blood pressure). I am also going to pulse it- i'm thinking 2 weeks on and a week or two off and back on again.

With your blood pressure being a little lower than mine i would consider talking with a LL natural doctor about it but it's benefits might outweigh the risks- there are actions you can take to help the blood pressure issue if it is adrenal related.

I have alot of faith in olive leaf as i have heard good reports about it and have read excellent things just about everywhere i've looked- nutritional healing book- wikipedia- any online search basically. Many other natural supplements will also lower blood pressure- samento, vit C, etc.. so it's best to address the blood pressure if you can.
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   Posted 11/17/2017 4:19 PM (GMT -7)   
I disagree about self treating. I have been helped some by practitioners but more especially for th cost by my own study and experimentation. I think the person who was claiming to be allergic to olive leaf is lacking confidence in their own ability, intuition and common sense and placing too much confidence in “professionals”. Certainly they can be a great resource at times but they are by no means all knowing or infallible. You didnt need a test to tell you to stop taking Olive leaf extract. You tried it for awhile and it didn’t help. So that means stop taking it and try something else. These practitioners who do muscle testing and other testing are not real accurate frequently in my experience. I’ve used some who have a lot of experience and a reputation for being very good and they did their tests and said oh your so strong on this supplement and I couldn’t take it for squat because of severe negative effects. I’ve also had them tell me to stop taking stuff that was helping me. Interestingly I happened to know that the practitioner was biased and skeptical of the herb before testing it because they thought it problematic for a symptom I had. Later I found out that they were actually mistaken about that via in depth research I did. I think they were subconsciously causing a negative outcome and I suspect subconscious influences of muscle testing a lot of the time.
There are a lot of people who can’t afford a practioner or only very limited use of one. I really like Buhner and his attitude which is that it’s poppy cock that people can’t make progress in healing with out a professional at the wheel. And it’s true. That’s my experience. I don’t know what you are tAlking about regarding little or no feedback from people that they are healing using the Buhner protocol. I’ve experienced the opposite of that reading reviews of his book and other places around the web. I’m not familiar with the other protocols. I think it is a disservice to be an influence toward people thinking they are helpless and must have professional in charge of their care. The negative things you pointed to that can happen, taking something that didn’t work or had a negative effect and needed to be stopped, having herxes etc I’ve had to deal with just as much doing something directed by a professional as I’ve had on my own. One point on that just as a side note is that I’ve had much less of that once I learned to take a lot of milk thistle prior to ramping up on an antimicrobial. I figured that out on my own in the midst of a protocol to eradicate blasto that I did at the direction of my practitioner. It worked but the Herx was horrific. He muscle tested me and gave me Spanish black radish which was awful, messed with my stomach and didn’t help much. So I said screw muscle testing did some reading up on milk thistle and dosage and switched to that for a few days before I ramped back up and it worked beautifully. This is something Buhner recommends also.

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   Posted 11/17/2017 4:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi lisa, welcome to our community.

Not sure if you realize - but this thread you've responded to is from 2010 and the members posting have not been on the forum to post since 2012.


So are you self-treating now?


Please feel free to start a new thread and share your 'story' with us.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
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added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
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   Posted 11/17/2017 10:38 PM (GMT -7)   
THE ONLY BRAND WORTH GETTING::

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B010YH0BS4/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1510983971&sr=8-1-spons&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=olive+leaf+supplements&psc=1

I'm serious about this, it is standardized and also has Hydroxytyrosol, which Now brand, even the more expensive brand names don't and none are standardized. It's also non-gmo and extracts are made from organic spanish olives.

It is the most potent olive leaf extract on the market and that isn't a marketing ploy, it is. Be careful with it though. I tried 5 different brands, Gaia will save you money but compared to this it's night and day. Took three and it gave me a fever and sent me on my knees. I now take it most days but it supresses my apetite.

Post Edited (birthdaysuit) : 11/17/2017 10:55:46 PM (GMT-7)


Girlie
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   Posted 11/17/2017 10:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Birthdaysuit - just wanted to let you know this is an old thread you've posted in.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi

Lisa Truitt
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   Posted 11/18/2017 9:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi. Thanks for the welcome. Yes I was aware it is an old thread. I’m sure there are people who are researching online who come across it as I did. Just wanted to encourage them that they can get educated and help themselves.
Yes I have been self treating. I think I have likely discovered the answer to what has been wrong with me for many years from reading Stephen Buhners book. Before I did I though Lyme meant Bell’s palsy, arthritis and migraines. I was blown away by how many symptoms can be Lyme and the diversity of symptom combinations that are possible as well as how many symptoms I have/have had: chronic fatigue, insomnia, pathesrhesias, dysphasia, ear ringing, facial and other muscle twitches, Eye floaters, Eye pressure, muscle pain, temperature regulation issues, and on and on.
For now I’ve been doing Buhners protocol with a considerable improvement. I live in a small town with no Lyme docs. Nashville might be the closest that would have one. If I am not happy with the progress I make I might consider trying that option.

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   Posted 11/18/2017 9:47 PM (GMT -7)   
" Before I did I though Lyme meant Bell’s palsy, arthritis and migraines. I was blown away by how many symptoms can be Lyme and the diversity of symptom combinations that are possible as well as how many symptoms I have/have had: chronic fatigue, insomnia, pathesrhesias, dysphasia, ear ringing, facial and other muscle twitches, Eye floaters, Eye pressure, muscle pain, temperature regulation issues, and on and on. "

Yes - When I was first sick - and googling to find out what was wrong with me - I kept passing on Lyme disease becuz I'd read flu-like symptoms, fatigue, bullseye rash.
I didn't have those - but I had many others.

Website after website
about time they changed the symptom list.

You can email me if you want - I may know of a LLMD in your area.
Although it sounds like you've searched already.
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Symp started April/2013; Buhner's Lyme May 15-July24/14; Igenex pos. July 3/14
Doxy: July 4-Aug.24/14;Zithro July26-Aug24/14; Amox + Proben. Aug. 29/14;
added biaxin Sept. 26/14
Disc. amox,added Ceftin Nov. 20th.;
Disc. biaxin added Buhner bart herbs Dec/14;Jan/15 pulsing Tinda (w/ Ceftin);
Abx/herb break Apr-July/15; July-mino; Aug. added Rif;
Nov./15 mino - to biaxi
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